Aussie Government blow it (Again)

jack_sparrow

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Flying Fish2 said:
Waiting for your response Jack. 


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Also useful if Bob has banged some hooker from Logan that had recently been to Melbourne to steal handbags and doesn’t want to Shazza to find out. He doesn’t want to lose his 2007 commadore because he just put new car seat covers in it.
2007?

uppity bogan.

 

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There is no need for Dan to continue having his dictatorial powers beyond this 6 months. 

All Victorians are fatigued by this 2nd lockdown and many will NOT accept a third. It's time to learn to live with the virus and not stick our heads into the sand and hope we can wish it away. We must open our domestic borders (QLD, SA, WA & Tas are a fucking disgrace) and open up our businesses and learn to work to the new normal. The states should throw all resources into contact tracing, protect the venerable and stay vigilant, but not take the the lockdown approach again.

Sweden was stupid going blindly into the pandemic without a lockdown, because the lockdown would have bought them time better understand the virus and to be better prepared. Australia has had that time to prepare, so now we need to change the approach.

The federal government should withhold funds from states that keep their borders closed. Our constitution should be changed to never again allow the borders to be shut unless is accepted by bordering states, i.e. Vic asks Tas, NSW & SA if we can close our border. 

The Victorian State of Emergency law should be changed so that it can only be used with bipartisan support and the opposition should be included in a SoE cabinet, in the same way Scomo included all state leaders.  
do other states have limits on the length of "state of emergency"?

are you going to send your child to childcare? or would you accept a 3rd lockdown?

if infections jump to 700 a day again, are you going to go out without a mask?

scomo never had a soe cabinet like you suggest...

 
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The Dark Knight

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do other states have limits on the length of "state of emergency"?

no idea 

are you going to send your child to childcare? or would you accept a 3rd lockdown?

She did go between 1 & 2. Had no choice but to pull her out.Certainly no 3rd lockdown.

if infections jump to 700 a day again, are you going to go out without a mask?

If wearing a mask is part of living with the virus, then yes. I will accept limits on the numbers of customers in Bunnings and many other aspects of life. It's all about living with the virus and not hiding and hoping. 

scomo never had a soe cabinet.......

But he had his national cabinet 
Yes the virus is nasty. but the lockdowns and the impact of them are going to get worse and worse. 

It is time that the government starts to focus more on the living who have a long life ahead of them and not the people who are queueing to knock on deaths door.

 

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scomo never had a soe cabinet like you suggest...
And no other state had such draconian, economy destroying restrictions that achieved nothing - indeed made it worse - because of the narrow thinking and incompetence or unpreparedness (which is the same thing) of both the elected and unelected people in control. Some people have proved they shouldn't ever be given extended power. Dan and his health minister and officials have proved to be among them.

If those powers are to be extended, its time to follow Australia's wartime experience.  Dan steps down, a multi party "state cabinet" is established, led by someone from a less ideological driven party, new health officials are brought in from outside and go from there.

But under no circumstance, give incompetence more power.

 

jack_sparrow

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What we have is 100 billion spent and 22 deaths. 

NOT SPENT & $100bn is TWICE $50bn BUDGET

Lying dangerous cunt.

Budget 2020: Government's $50b Covid-19 recovery Budget biggest spending package in history
Flying Fish2 said:
On 21 March the NZ government signed a MOU with the Reserve bank to buy $33b of Government issued bonds.  In May this was increased to $60b.  On 20 August it was increased to $100b.  Now why increase it from $33b to $100b if you haven't used it?  This is all on the NZ Reserve Bank website under Alternative Monetary Policy.  Sharpen up Jack!
"What we have is 100 billion spent .... the NZ government signed a MOU with the Reserve bank to buy ...Government issued bonds... $100b."

"Sharpen up Jack!"

Cunt were you home schooled by a household pet?  

Primary school economics. Governments buy bonds to increase the money supply in the economy by swapping out bonds in  exchange for cash to the general public.

Fucking lying dangerous dumb cunt.
Flying Fish2 said:
Not in NZ  until 21 March 2020.  Hence the special permission to do so.  Its called QE and LSAP.  I suggest you educate yourself quickly.
"What we have is 100 billion spent ..Budget 2020: Government's $50b.. the NZ government signed a MOU with the Reserve bank  to buy ...Government issued bonds... $100b."

$100bn NOT SPENT - $100bn is TWICE $50bn BUDGET. A program specific Budget amount and Reserve Bank buying Government Bonds are NOT RELATED AT ALL. Bonds are used to finance Government forward spending. The $100 bn is a Reserve Bank buy limit up until June 2022 and that limit is NOT stapled to the Coronavirus Budget.

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"Governments buy bonds to increase the money supply in the economy by swapping out bonds in exchange for cash to the general public."

"Not in NZ...Its called QE and LSAP."  

Cunt I wonder why you didn't provide a linky to those two acronyms, one NZ specific? We know why of course. 

Quantitative Easing (QE);  Monetary policy in which a central bank purchases longer-term securities such as bonds in order to increase the money supply and encourage lending and investment. Buying these securities adds new money to the economy, and also serves to lower interest rate and also expands the central bank's balance sheet.

Large Scale Asset Purchases (LSAP) is the NZ Reserve Bank’s program to buy up to $100bn of NZ Government Bonds in the secondary market by June 2022. The aim of the programme is to inject money into the economy with the aim of lowering borrowing costs to households and businesses.

So cunt NO $100bn spent by the Govt, NO $100bn to be spent by the Govt.

The layman's terms for what has occured is "$100bn of new money will be printed up until June 2022." What gets spent by the Reserve Bank and where the money goes over that two years is anyone's guess. The proportion directly attributable to Coronavirus is anyones guess.

What is known is that $100bn is NOT Coronavirus Recovery expenditure spent OR committed. 

The Govt Coronavirus Recovery Budget of $50bn stands

So just more fucking lies from the lying dangerous cunt.

 
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And no other state had such draconian, economy destroying restrictions that achieved nothing - indeed made it worse - because of the narrow thinking and incompetence or unpreparedness (which is the same thing) of both the elected and unelected people in control. Some people have proved they shouldn't ever be given extended power. Dan and his health minister and officials have proved to be among them.

If those powers are to be extended, its time to follow Australia's wartime experience.  Dan steps down, a multi party "state cabinet" is established, led by someone from a less ideological driven party, new health officials are brought in from outside and go from there.

But under no circumstance, give incompetence more power.
achieved nothing?

really......

 

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Yes the virus is nasty. but the lockdowns and the impact of them are going to get worse and worse. 

It is time that the government starts to focus more on the living who have a long life ahead of them and not the people who are queueing to knock on deaths door.
people will individually isolate. the economy will be effected no matter what the government does.

if you want to take away the governments ability to govern and manage this situation, then also take away government compensation relating to that governing and managing.

that includes hardship payments to individuals and businesses.

how many people do you think would get tested? stay at home when tested? go to work when tested?

you cant diss the negatives of the situation while sticking your hand out for the positives.

 

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"What we have is 100 billion spent ..Budget 2020: Government's $50b.. the NZ government signed a MOU with the Reserve bank  to buy ...Government issued bonds... $100b."

$100bn NOT SPENT - $100bn is TWICE $50bn BUDGET. A program specific Budget amount and Reserve Bank buying Government Bonds are NOT RELATED AT ALL. Bonds are used to finance Government forward spending. The $100 bn is a Reserve Bank buy limit up until June 2022 and that limit is NOT stapled to the Coronavirus Budget.

"Governments buy bonds to increase the money supply in the economy by swapping out bonds in exchange for cash to the general public."

"Not in NZ...Its called QE and LSAP."  

Quantitative Easing (QE);  Monetary policy in which a central bank purchases longer-term securities such as bonds in order to increase the money supply and encourage lending and investment. Buying these securities adds new money to the economy, and also serves to lower interest rate and also expands the central bank's balance sheet.

Large Scale Asset Purchases (LSAP) is the NZ Reserve Bank’s program to buy up to $100bn of NZ Government Bonds in the secondary market by June 2022. The aim of the programme is to inject money into the economy with the aim of lowering borrowing costs to households and businesses.

So cunt NO $100bn spent by the Govt, NO $100bn to be spent by the Govt. The layman's terms for what has occured is "$100bn of new money will be printed up until June 2022." What it gets spent on that two years on is anyone's guess. The proportion directly attributable to Coronavirus is anyones guess. 

The Govt budget of $50bn stands. 

So just more fucking lies from the lying dangerous cunt.
i bet $100 he ignores the reality of money printing as practiced since 2008.......

 

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people will individually isolate. the economy will be effected no matter what the government does.

if you want to take away the governments ability to govern and manage this situation, then also take away government compensation relating to that governing and managing.

that includes hardship payments to individuals and businesses.

how many people do you think would get tested? stay at home when tested? go to work when tested?

you cant diss the negatives of the situation while sticking your hand out for the positives.
Of course the economy will still be affected, but in lockdown it is even more affected.

If we open up life and the economy in a post covid way and learn to live with the virus, parliament can pass the various laws needed to maintain a level of restrictions and financial assistance. There should no longer need to be the need to act instantly if we have in place the right level of restrictions and things like contact tracing and the power to enforce people into isolation when tested positive and compensation for people how have been tested and must stay home to wait for their results. All of this can be passed by parliament. 

 

jack_sparrow

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Yes the virus is nasty. but the lockdowns and the impact of them are going to get worse and worse. 

It is time that the government starts to focus more on the living who have a long life ahead of them and not the people who are queueing to knock on deaths door.
Hoppy you were going well until that last cunt bit.

Apart from the humanity WHO has already PRE-PAID for the financial assistance and stimulus the community have got and will be getting? 

Who has maybe fought in a war or two to ensure that community is even here and with the freedoms to spend that financial gain they have? 

You say focus MORE on those other than them. Did it occur to you that the reason they are dropping like flies is because todate NOT ENOUGH focus was directed at their well-being. No it doesn't but worse. You now want to cut off something that they haven't got enough of to date.

Hoppy yurah a selfish ungrateful fucking cunt. 

 
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ShortForBob

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There is no need for Dan to continue having his dictatorial powers beyond this 6 months. 

All Victorians are fatigued by this 2nd lockdown and many will NOT accept a third. It's time to learn to live with the virus and not stick our heads into the sand and hope we can wish it away. We must open our domestic borders (QLD, SA, WA & Tas are a fucking disgrace) and open up our businesses and learn to work to the new normal. The states should throw all resources into contact tracing, protect the venerable and stay vigilant, but not take the the lockdown approach again.

Sweden was stupid going blindly into the pandemic without a lockdown, because the lockdown would have bought them time better understand the virus and to be better prepared. Australia has had that time to prepare, so now we need to change the approach.

The federal government should withhold funds from states that keep their borders closed. Our constitution should be changed to never again allow the borders to be shut unless is accepted by bordering states, i.e. Vic asks Tas, NSW & SA if we can close our border. 

The Victorian State of Emergency law should be changed so that it can only be used with bipartisan support and the opposition should be included in a SoE cabinet, in the same way Scomo included all state leaders.  
These "powers" are confined to the Chief Medical officer. They don't Give Dan the power to ban guns or wrest your Porn mags out of your sweaty hands.

so..a question.

If there is another outbreak in a housing commission tower, or one of covered wholesale markets for example,   without state of emergency powers to hand, what does the government do? Do nothing and wait until parliament can convene? 


What is the state of emergency and what does it do?


The state of emergency gives the Victorian Chief Health Officer, Brett Sutton, extraordinary legal powers.

It allows him to issue legally enforceable public health directions, in this instance to prevent the spread of coronavirus, including rules about quarantine, face masks, and the number of people allowed in a pub.

The state of emergency also allows him and authorised officers — appointed by Department of Health and Human Services secretary Kym Peake — to detain any person "for the period reasonably necessary to eliminate or reduce a serious risk to public health".

They also have the power to restrict movement, search premises without a warrant and "give any other direction that the authorised officer considers is reasonably necessary to protect public health".

Perhaps the most dramatic demonstration of these powers during the pandemic so far has been the hard lockdown imposed on public housing towers at Flemington and North Melbourne last month.

 
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ShortForBob

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Of course the economy will still be affected, but in lockdown it is even more affected.

If we open up life and the economy in a post covid way and learn to live with the virus, parliament can pass the various laws needed to maintain a level of restrictions and financial assistance. There should no longer need to be the need to act instantly if we have in place the right level of restrictions and things like contact tracing and the power to enforce people into isolation when tested positive and compensation for people how have been tested and must stay home to wait for their results. All of this can be passed by parliament. 
Just wondering, how long does it take to pass an act of Parliament?

Here's a little chart. Can't copy it because it's a PDF, but you may find the answer here to your confusion about why Dan Adrews needs State of emergency powers.

https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/documents/about/How_a_Law_is_Made.pdf

 
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