Aussies Salute New King!

billy backstay

Backstay, never bought a suit, never went to Vegas
The important thing here is the separation of state and government. It is important that the head of government is not omnipotent and there are methods by which problems with the head of government can be dealt with by the head of state. If there is an indication that the head of government is unable to run a decent government (doesn't just mean popular), the parliament and senate can indicate this and the head of state inform the head of government that the head of government must stand aside and a new head of government must be put forth. This does not mean that the vote of the people is ignored, just that the "first among equals" as signified by the ability of the parliament and senate to agree to his/her leadership must stand aside. It is a lot easier if there are more than one political party involved. I don't know how the US got involved with only two parties, but it would be nice to see even a small third party emerge from either end of the political spectrum.

Every time we have a third party it robs the election from one or the other of the two primary parties. Also known as "wasted votes".
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Every time we have a third party it robs the election from one or the other of the two primary parties. Also known as "wasted votes".
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Prior to the Green Party here in Australia getting some misguided traction we had a 3rd party known as the Democrats.Founded and initially led by a street smart politician named Don Chipp their moto was ‘Keep the Bastards Honest’ which they did very well IMHO for a few decades often holding the balance of power.Unfortunately they are now not that relevant.
 

LB 15

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Fah Kiew Tu

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Every time we have a third party it robs the election from one or the other of the two primary parties. Also known as "wasted votes".
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That's because your electoral system is frankly idiotic and primitive.

If you had preferential voting this problem goes away.

However the electors have to be able to understand more than a binary choice so possibly it wouldn't work for you guys, dunno.

FKT
 

Merrill Levi

Anarchist
Thanks Merrill!! What exactly are Aussies' ties to the Crown? Do you pay royalty to the royals? Are there any costs and/or benefits? And what's the beef with KCIII vs. his son William?
Hey Billy, thanks for asking the questions, I am learning via this thread too !
I got transplanted to Oz from Sth Calif nearly 60 years ago & found EVERYTHING here confusing, our family got adopted into an Aussie family who's Dad had been a soldier and it seemed to me at the time that so many of that families values & points of view were founded from the Dad having been a soldier.
So here is how I built the "Aussie" filing system in my head:-
- England, for whatever reason had too many actual & perceived criminals in the U.K. & packed them into boats & sent them out of sight to Downunderland.
- When they got here, for various reasons - did not have enough supplies to live on, actual & perceived criminals with their 'carers' (soldiers & ships officers) had to work together to figure out how to feed themselves - quickly !, so quick that they totally ignored to look at how the locals lived and survived for thousands of years, so the new folks just 'took' the resources they wanted & tried 'European' ways of farming, producing very low yields in an arid country.
- no real systems worked in Aus (governing, policing, monetary etc) until gold was found in Aus, with money (gold) available all sorts of stuff start to happen & the folks that are in Aus want to look after the systems that work here & not use the slow turn-around time of letting the folks in Britain make the decisions.
- all of the above happened in Aus during the rise-and-demise of the East India Company, a huge British commercial entity that controlled alot of shit in alot of places around the world, specifically all trade in & out of Britain & therefore most of the cashflow in Britain at that time, and those with direct benefit of that cashflow also held seats in the British Parliament.
- so when the criminals & ships officers in Aus request to make their own decisions & rules that suit the locality, the Brits (& East India Company, Aus was not commercially profitable for them) agree to let the people in Aus run the 'Aussie show' locally as long as they use the British 'Westminster' system of Governing & the Brits added a 'Governor General' over the top as the representative of the Monarchy to watch over the Aussie version of the Westminster system.
- Fast forward to WW1, Brits need more soldiers to send into war & put the call out to all of their Colonies to support the British war effort, in Aus that call-to-war was met with a high degree of favour to support the Mother-Country. Hundreds of thousands of Colonials signed up to fight for the British as most people in Aus at the time had living relatives in England. Post WW1 in Aus there was a broad feeling of a job-well-done by the Colonials, but on review found that the Colonial forces had been used as collateral damage to clear the paths into war zones for the British to follow. This REALLY fucked with the feel-good the Aussies had for the Brits, as all of the Colonials suffered huge (per capita) losses for no real gain in any way.
- Jump forward to WW2, colonials agree to fight with the Brits again, but this time with allied commanders in-the-field. However this really was the beginning of the end of Aus being under British rule & Aus started to stand up for itself. Added that the British Parliament went through many leaders during WW2, as did the Aus Parliament, this quick succession of leaders in both countries lost many of the thought processes shared by the two countries for the previous 100 years which just evaporated during 6 years of WW2.
[/end of "Aussie" filing system in my head/]

By the end of WW2, not many Aussies trusted British politicians or even knew who the British pollies were, just about every British pollies seat had been turned over more than once during the course of WW2. In Aus at the end of WW2 there was also new faces in Parliament and generally, everyone felt to let the dust of war settle and get back to living.

At a similar time in the UK, King George V (QEII's Grandfather) died in 1936, so King Edward VIII (QEII's Uncle) gets to sit on the throne, later in 1936 KEVIII abdicates the throne in order to marry (& party with) a "divorced American" woman - so EVERYONE thinks KEVIII is a fuckwit, and his little brother becomes King George V (QEII's Dad) and 12 year old Princess Elizabeth becomes heir presumptive to the British Throne. Everyone falls in love with this pretty little girl, who gets thrown into the media limelight because no one wants to give her uncle any free-press with his 'divorced American'

During WW2, Buckingham Palace was bombed by the Germans while the King & Queen were there. The Kings younger Brother was killed in action. There was a general feeling in Britain & the Colonies that this Royal family knew what it was like to try & live during war which just reinforced the love-affair with Princess Elizabeth.

While QEII rarely, if ever, was accused of putting a foot wrong - her kids all screwed up at some stage. Her eldest, now known as KCIII, divorced the mother of his children, Diana - who the whole world fell in love with, then KCIII marries a being, purporting to be a female within the human race. So KCIII does double-bad, dumping Diana & marrying a "question mark", not many in the Empire wants to like KCIII any more - but his eldest & now heir apparent, William, who looks alot like his Mum Diana, has earned significant adoration by keeping his mouth shut when it should be, and keeping his feet walking in a straight line - he will always be perceived as a good-guy.
 
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SloopJonB

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So, he really has no use or value added, but for a Monarch approved rubber stamper? Is that all he does?

I am not messing with you, just want to really understand why this person has a job at all?
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On a routine level, not really - essentially ceremonial.

The "Monarch" (Governor General in our case) does have the power to dissolve Parliament and force an election. That could be used if we ever got a Trump situation but AFAIK it has never been used.
 

LB 15

Cunt
On a routine level, not really - essentially ceremonial.

The "Monarch" (Governor General in our case) does have the power to dissolve Parliament and force an election. That could be used if we ever got a Trump situation but AFAIK it has never been used.
We used it here in Oz to get rid of the socialist Whitlam government in 1975. It is a very good thing.
 

HILLY

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Exactly, and that's what most people don't understand - that the monarchy has no day to day involvement in our lives. In a way we could simply call the Governor General something else - Grand Poobah perhaps, and keep going exactly the same - except people would stop calling us stupid for still having a monarch!(y)
Well I know the Queens birthday weekend, will probably change to Kings birthday, much more preferable than Prime Ministers birthday, and I dont want to lose that long weekend in June 'cause thats when Lake Keepit regatta is on...
What will happen to all the "ROYAL" institutions, like R.P.A.Y.C., R.P.E.Y.C., R.S.Y.S. and R.M.Y.C. and I'm sure many others around the country, not forgetting Royal Randwick, multiple hospitals, et al.
Wether you are a monarchist or not, there is a sense of longevity with the royal moniker, where the head doesn't get changed/ voted on every 4 years..
How gauche' to have the Peter FitzSimons birthday weekend regatta..
 
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mccroc

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What will happen to all the "ROYAL" institutions, like R.P.A.Y.C., R.P.E.Y.C., R.S.Y.S. and R.M.Y.C. and I'm sure many others around the country, not forgetting Royal Randwick, multiple hospitals, et al.
Wether you are a monarchist or not, there is a sense of longevity with the royal moniker, where the head doesn't get changed/ voted on every 4 years..
That's good question. Some that you mention are fully named after Royals - RPEYC, RPAYC etc. I guess RSYS become SYS. Most people only refer to the Racecourse as Randwick. They could of course find a replacement word for Royal - maybe have a competition to find a new word? Dinkydi? Better still, maybe each club could be named after the Indigenous name for the place they inhabit?
 

Alhadder

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So, he really has no use or value added, but for a Monarch approved rubber stamper? Is that all he does?

I am not messing with you, just want to really understand why this person has a job at all?
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BB I saw your reply to my post last night my time and see it has basically been answered by others and your follow up ^ also been adequately answered by others too. The GG is quite ceremonial position and apolitical however the current GG has come under scrutiny recently whereby it's come out that the previous PM appointed himself to 5 different ministries during the last 2 years, ie during the Covid emergency period, yet the PM did not tell anybody, including the 5 Ministers who he became backup too! For further info on that saga visit the "I Still Call Australia Home" thread in PA.
 

Sidecar

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What will happen to all the "ROYAL" institutions, like R.P.A.Y.C., R.P.E.Y.C., R.S.Y.S. and R.M.Y.C. and I'm sure many others around the country, not forgetting Royal Randwick, multiple hospitals, et al.
Wether you are a monarchist or not, there is a sense of longevity with the royal moniker, where the head doesn't get changed/ voted on every 4 years..
Nothing is likely to change In that respect. There are royal hospitals and royal yacht and golf clubs in the Republic of South Africa…….
 
Well I know the Queens birthday weekend, will probably change to Kings birthday, much more preferable than Prime Ministers birthday, and I dont want to lose that long weekend in June 'cause thats when Lake Keepit regatta is on...
What will happen to all the "ROYAL" institutions, like R.P.A.Y.C., R.P.E.Y.C., R.S.Y.S. and R.M.Y.C. and I'm sure many others around the country, not forgetting Royal Randwick, multiple hospitals, et al.
Wether you are a monarchist or not, there is a sense of longevity with the royal moniker, where the head doesn't get changed/ voted on every 4 years..
How gauche' to have the Peter FitzSimons birthday weekend regatta..
Hey Hilly,Kindly send me the NOR for the ‘Peter FitzSimmons Memorial Regatta’ when it’s finally issued.I would have to leave before the Presentation commenced though if I did Podium just in case his wife was giving out the Silverware!
 

billy backstay

Backstay, never bought a suit, never went to Vegas
Hey Billy, thanks for asking the questions, I am learning via this thread too !
I got transplanted to Oz from Sth Calif nearly 60 years ago & found EVERYTHING here confusing, our family got adopted into an Aussie family who's Dad had been a soldier and it seemed to me at the time that so many of that families values & points of view were founded from the Dad having been a soldier.
So here is how I built the "Aussie" filing system in my head:-
- England, for whatever reason had too many actual & perceived criminals in the U.K. & packed them into boats & sent them out of sight to Downunderland.
- When they got here, for various reasons - did not have enough supplies to live on, actual & perceived criminals with their 'carers' (soldiers & ships officers) had to work together to figure out how to feed themselves - quickly !, so quick that they totally ignored to look at how the locals lived and survived for thousands of years, so the new folks just 'took' the resources they wanted & tried 'European' ways of farming, producing very low yields in an arid country.
- no real systems worked in Aus (governing, policing, monetary etc) until gold was found in Aus, with money (gold) available all sorts of stuff start to happen & the folks that are in Aus want to look after the systems that work here & not use the slow turn-around time of letting the folks in Britain make the decisions.
- all of the above happened in Aus during the rise-and-demise of the East India Company, a huge British commercial entity that controlled alot of shit in alot of places around the world, specifically all trade in & out of Britain & therefore most of the cashflow in Britain at that time, and those with direct benefit of that cashflow also held seats in the British Parliament.
- so when the criminals & ships officers in Aus request to make their own decisions & rules that suit the locality, the Brits (& East India Company, Aus was not commercially profitable for them) agree to let the people in Aus run the 'Aussie show' locally as long as they use the British 'Westminster' system of Governing & the Brits added a 'Governor General' over the top as the representative of the Monarchy to watch over the Aussie version of the Westminster system.
- Fast forward to WW1, Brits need more soldiers to send into war & put the call out to all of their Colonies to support the British war effort, in Aus that call-to-war was met with a high degree of favour to support the Mother-Country. Hundreds of thousands of Colonials signed up to fight for the British as most people in Aus at the time had living relatives in England. Post WW1 in Aus there was a broad feeling of a job-well-done by the Colonials, but on review found that the Colonial forces had been used as collateral damage to clear the paths into war zones for the British to follow. This REALLY fucked with the feel-good the Aussies had for the Brits, as all of the Colonials suffered huge (per capita) losses for no real gain in any way.
- Jump forward to WW2, colonials agree to fight with the Brits again, but this time with allied commanders in-the-field. However this really was the beginning of the end of Aus being under British rule & Aus started to stand up for itself. Added that the British Parliament went through many leaders during WW2, as did the Aus Parliament, this quick succession of leaders in both countries lost many of the thought processes shared by the two countries for the previous 100 years which just evaporated during 6 years of WW2.
[/end of "Aussie" filing system in my head/]

By the end of WW2, not many Aussies trusted British politicians or even knew who the British pollies were, just about every British pollies seat had been turned over more than once during the course of WW2. In Aus at the end of WW2 there was also new faces in Parliament and generally, everyone felt to let the dust of war settle and get back to living.

At a similar time in the UK, King George V (QEII's Grandfather) died in 1936, so King Edward VIII (QEII's Uncle) gets to sit on the throne, later in 1936 KEVIII abdicates the throne in order to marry (& party with) a "divorced American" woman - so EVERYONE thinks KEVIII is a fuckwit, and his little brother becomes King George V (QEII's Dad) and 12 year old Princess Elizabeth becomes heir presumptive to the British Throne. Everyone falls in love with this pretty little girl, who gets thrown into the media limelight because no one wants to give her uncle any free-press with his 'divorced American'

During WW2, Buckingham Palace was bombed by the Germans while the King & Queen were there. The Kings younger Brother was killed in action. There was a general feeling in Britain & the Colonies that this Royal family knew what it was like to try & live during war which just reinforced the love-affair with Princess Elizabeth.

While QEII rarely, if ever, was accused of putting a foot wrong - her kids all screwed up at some stage. Her eldest, now known as KCIII, divorced the mother of his children, Diana - who the whole world fell in love with, then KCIII marries a being, purporting to be a female within the human race. So KCIII does double-bad, dumping Diana & marrying a "question mark", not many in the Empire wants to like KCIII any more - but his eldest & now heir apparent, William, who looks alot like his Mum Diana, has earned significant adoration by keeping his mouth shut when it should be, and keeping his feet walking in a straight line - he will always be perceived as a good-guy.

Thanks again Merrill and others; great explanations, and I've learned a lot!! :giggle:
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LB 15

Cunt
Nothing is likely to change In that respect. There are royal hospitals and royal yacht and golf clubs in the Republic of South Africa…….
And lets not forget the club of Lord Dubinator, the Royal Hong Kong yacht club. Royal warrants are issued to clubs and organizations, not Countries. I work for the Royal Yachting Association and I can't see them changing their name here in Oz.
 
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LB 15

Cunt
getting rid of a few things , Union Jack and Governor General for starters :)
So you agree with is tattoo covered piece of shit who described the queen as a 'Fucking dog' and said it was a happy day because she died. And because she claims to be an Abo, she only gets a one game suspension. Looks to me like she has a lot more white trash in her than Aboriginal...

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LB 15

Cunt
LB 15 - Racist much???:unsure:
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Not in the slightest Billy. If I didn’t feel like it was invading their privacy I would post a pic of my family to prove it. We are in difficult times down here with many white people both talking on behalf of, and claiming to ‘identify’ as indigenous so they can play the victim card. This women is a piece of shit.
 

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