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Does anyone here have experience of how things work across "the ditch"? Participation in NZ seems to be going from strength to strength.
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TheUltimateSockPuppet
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That’s partially because they don’t have a prescription to RRS 46 and partially because Aunty Cinda won’t let them out
Fah Kiew Tu
Curmudgeon, First Rank
Yeah but Aussies can clear in again now. 10+ days on passage and you don't need to quarantine on arrival. I think you need neg covid test before departure and on arrival as well.
I heard a rumour from a Canadian cruiser who's been there since before the covid caper that there are rumblings about telling the stranded foreign boats it's time to be moving on.
FKT
TheUltimateSockPuppet
Anarchist
The good news is there are now some vacancies at Tennis Australia. Rumoured that AS CEO is going to TA with GRS tagging along as new rules and visa expert. TA will be introducing ballpass whereby if you attend a game of tennis you will be required to join a tennis club. You get a set of Dunlop volleys if you join a Royal tennis club.
I saw the last "yacht club" being demolished in the La Rochelle marina in Dec 2019, to make way for more hardstand. That marina had pens for over 10,000 yachts.
Sail Melbourne is done.....the only classes with "fleets" were the 29er...Radial....and Wing Foiler. The rest of the classes had just a handful of entries.
Interested/concerned to see the large number of protests regarding finishing orders....considering the small numbers of craft, there were alot......sure it could be an issue with Wing Foilers & Bibs...but it wasn't restricted to just that fleet...the question of organisational on-water experience/competency has to be asked.
The Finn sailors withdrew in the last week....the general response was that the event was too hard to attend and too expensive. No car parking. No trailer storage. No early drop off.....and $150 with a further $100 late fee...all in a time of Covid. Alternative was local club sailing - 3 races, one day, without the hassle & cost. The value proposition for SailMelb just didn't add up.
Looks like classes run & organised by motivated parents (29er, Radial) and those with easy logistics (Wing Foiler) are doing ok....but "adult" classes are struggling.
Olympic classes and aspirants "need" a regatta to aggregate the small number of sailors involved....club/non lympix class sailors don't...and resent the costs these events demand. After all, these IJ's, administrators and Organisers have to be paid for! It seems parents are suckers for the lympix and don't question the price of events and coaches...but they are not the backbone of the sport (but that's another story!)
Interested/concerned to see the large number of protests regarding finishing orders....considering the small numbers of craft, there were alot......sure it could be an issue with Wing Foilers & Bibs...but it wasn't restricted to just that fleet...the question of organisational on-water experience/competency has to be asked.
The Finn sailors withdrew in the last week....the general response was that the event was too hard to attend and too expensive. No car parking. No trailer storage. No early drop off.....and $150 with a further $100 late fee...all in a time of Covid. Alternative was local club sailing - 3 races, one day, without the hassle & cost. The value proposition for SailMelb just didn't add up.
Looks like classes run & organised by motivated parents (29er, Radial) and those with easy logistics (Wing Foiler) are doing ok....but "adult" classes are struggling.
Olympic classes and aspirants "need" a regatta to aggregate the small number of sailors involved....club/non lympix class sailors don't...and resent the costs these events demand. After all, these IJ's, administrators and Organisers have to be paid for! It seems parents are suckers for the lympix and don't question the price of events and coaches...but they are not the backbone of the sport (but that's another story!)
"Value"....that's the key issue. What Value do we get from spending time sailing? From sailing a particular class? From sailing at a particular club?
The costs are well understood, so we are constantly evaluating the return we get from that investment in $'s and time.....and as demands on time becomes more pressing.....and incomes are less secure...that equation becomes harder to balance.
If AS fails to see this as THE issue...it fails to address its prime purpose. The role of AS is to constantly build Value in the sport's participation, so that everyone sees the role it has in creating that Value.
As it stands...very few see that Value. The result? Division. Acrimony. Contempt. And a sport that is losing its grass- roots appeal.
"RRS, IJs, Olympics etc".....ain't cutting it as a justification.
The participation numbers tell us that.
The costs are well understood, so we are constantly evaluating the return we get from that investment in $'s and time.....and as demands on time becomes more pressing.....and incomes are less secure...that equation becomes harder to balance.
If AS fails to see this as THE issue...it fails to address its prime purpose. The role of AS is to constantly build Value in the sport's participation, so that everyone sees the role it has in creating that Value.
As it stands...very few see that Value. The result? Division. Acrimony. Contempt. And a sport that is losing its grass- roots appeal.
"RRS, IJs, Olympics etc".....ain't cutting it as a justification.
The participation numbers tell us that.
Livia
Super Anarchist
My point for a long time!
So my three sets of contributions, what do it buy.
Please don’t say the future of the sport.g
TheUltimateSockPuppet
Anarchist
Just attended an event in regional NZ. 35 dinghies over two classes $20 for six races over 2 days.
This is the Value that is completely missing in most sailing.
So good that it still exists in pockets but it's simple really that when there is a complete disconnect between cost and value along with zero or neglible fun then the numbers speak for themselves.
With the unnecessary need for all the Trimmings and accoutrements of a large obese corporate, Australian Sailing is muttering under its breath
- "Qu'ils mangent de la Brioche"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_them_eat_cake
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Bill E Goat
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Any news of the complaint against MA by MH regarding the unconscionable conduct by MA under the MPP
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There will be much beating of chests after next weeks VX intergalactics at RQ about how they have grown the sport. If 35 boats crewed mainly by 60 year olds is growing the sport.
The insurance issue is very low hanging fruit. In 23 years running my school, we had over 10 000 students pass through- each participating on an average for 4 days. So in that 40 000 sailing days we had one broken arm (when the boat was tied up) one twisted ankle and two minor head injuries that required stitches.
Only the broken arm required a claim on our PI insurance and that was only so they could tell the grubby lawyer representing the student to go fuck themselves as it was a per-existing injury. (She had broken it falling off a motorbike in Bali 4 weeks before) Each boat and the company had 30 million in PI Insurance- not AYF/YA/AS insurance.
When you consider that these were mainly beginners on 40 foot yachts often offshore it proves two things.
1/ The quality of selecting and training of RYA Instructors and;
2/ Sailing is a relative low risk sport.
Previous to the Sailing school I had a career in marketing and the AS insurance is what we called 'Perceived value adding'
It is all about the customers perception, not the reality. (And example is a cosmetics brand we re-launched 'Now with 10% glycerine!' - It always had 10% glycerine)
In regards to getting AS to release data on their insurance claims, You can not expect GRS to respond to anonymous requests on a sailing forum (and quite rightly as well) A request would need to be from a affiliated club.
My 2c worth.
The insurance issue is very low hanging fruit. In 23 years running my school, we had over 10 000 students pass through- each participating on an average for 4 days. So in that 40 000 sailing days we had one broken arm (when the boat was tied up) one twisted ankle and two minor head injuries that required stitches.
Only the broken arm required a claim on our PI insurance and that was only so they could tell the grubby lawyer representing the student to go fuck themselves as it was a per-existing injury. (She had broken it falling off a motorbike in Bali 4 weeks before) Each boat and the company had 30 million in PI Insurance- not AYF/YA/AS insurance.
When you consider that these were mainly beginners on 40 foot yachts often offshore it proves two things.
1/ The quality of selecting and training of RYA Instructors and;
2/ Sailing is a relative low risk sport.
Previous to the Sailing school I had a career in marketing and the AS insurance is what we called 'Perceived value adding'
It is all about the customers perception, not the reality. (And example is a cosmetics brand we re-launched 'Now with 10% glycerine!' - It always had 10% glycerine)
In regards to getting AS to release data on their insurance claims, You can not expect GRS to respond to anonymous requests on a sailing forum (and quite rightly as well) A request would need to be from a affiliated club.
My 2c worth.
Livia
Super Anarchist
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Livia
Super Anarchist
Well Done on giving GRS the only excuse he and AS will ever want, to not be transparent about their worthless Insurance scam.
To ask for non specific details about total premiums paid, # of claims made, # of claims cases paid and value of claims is a valid request. Especially by those who have to have this scam coverage. No personal or private details are required. Remember it is not the affiliated clubs who hold or pay for the cover - It is the non voting, non member, AS number holders who have no say in the matter. The affiliated clubs are complicit in this foundation of funding and trying to tether crews to their balance sheets - the clubs will not want to upset the AS driven apple cart, even when they tacitly acknowledge it is borderline unethical.
Coincidence that GRS was also the first to give you a like for your post.......?
I think not.
Couta, your obs re sailing melb are pretty right. Seems AS are only interested in pushing Olympics and AS team support, and clearly are not reaching out to the general population.
Also seems that other clubs are maintaining fairly strong fleets eg syc, bryc, my, bys etc.
Not sure that the other clubs are also focussed on growth or seeking to engage participants...
Also seems that other clubs are maintaining fairly strong fleets eg syc, bryc, my, bys etc.
Not sure that the other clubs are also focussed on growth or seeking to engage participants...
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
RMYS is a wedding reception centre with a sideline in sailing which they are trying discourage. Luckily the members are a stubborn lot and keep trying to race even when the club can't be bothered to cater for them. Witty found that out the hard way when he dropped in hoping for a meal one Sunday after the S2H.
