LB 15
Cunt
random. said:
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SloopJohnB
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duncan (the other one)
Super Anarchist
Couta,
in hindsight - I do apologise somewhat for flying off the handle at you. Being actively involved in club admin, it hit a nerve for me.
I do see your point. I know our club is constantly pushing back at the certification requirements that AS continues to pile on our volunteer trainers. We have no paid staff, our team of helpers is mostly young teens, and AS's focus seems to be an every increasing certification hamster wheel and trying to sell us train-the-trainer programs ($$).
We cannot afford to constantly certify volunteers who may only hang around for a season or two. This is doubly-so if their certification (which we ponied up for) leads them to be head-hunted by some other club who is willing to pay them for their time.
I think FKT has it - things will only change if members move to clubs who aren't in the thrall of the AS system.
LB 15
Cunt
AS do not have a clue about how to train instructors. There are some fine (non RYA) Instructors working in Clubs but is not thanks to anything AS taught them. They are fine instructors despite any AS involvement. Training volunteers is one thing they could do for free to put back in for clubs.
LB 15
Cunt
Wouldn't hurt everyone to do an RO's course. I think I learnt more about starting 'yanking flags' on the start boat than I did in years of racking up. Might create a bit more empathy and understanding towards the RO.random. said:
Rambler
Super Anarchist
Things are getting worse.
A nearby club has had added to their insurance policy that they are not covered unless a qualified instructor is overseeing any training activities they run.
So you don't need to be an AS school, but in the country where I am, maintiaing an AS qualification has become all but impossible if you don't have an AS school. Their recertification requirements are just too hard and expensive to meet otherwise.
So bit by bit all the doors are bing closed on clubs without AS certifiaction. And certainly their requirements for certification of volunteer assistant instructors is a major barrier against getting AS school certification.
A nearby club has had added to their insurance policy that they are not covered unless a qualified instructor is overseeing any training activities they run.
So you don't need to be an AS school, but in the country where I am, maintiaing an AS qualification has become all but impossible if you don't have an AS school. Their recertification requirements are just too hard and expensive to meet otherwise.
So bit by bit all the doors are bing closed on clubs without AS certifiaction. And certainly their requirements for certification of volunteer assistant instructors is a major barrier against getting AS school certification.
Rambler
Super Anarchist
Ill defined.
AS aren't specified.
But who's going to take the risk of a $10m uninsured lawsuit
LB 15
Cunt
One would expect that it is someone who attended an instructor course run by their State Member body (or sub agent or what ever they are called now) or in the case of junior instructors, by a senior instructor through a club. I helped write and rolled out the national 'Keelboat' scheme for them about 12 years ago IIRC. We set it up with the RYA model. Candidates pass a 4 day instructor qualifying course then attend a two day update every 5 years. Any real stars have their cards marked to be invited to attend a senior instructor course after a few seasons experience. The system works by spotting tossers early and not letting them in.
But I have no idea how it works now. I think many junior instructors are simply anointed by the club coach without much formal training. I don't blame them. It isn't brain surgery, there is fuck-all money in it and many are happy to do it for free.
But AS will want a few shillings each time something with their logo on it is given out.
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Spoonie
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I've moved to a new area, and the local club in this area wants visiting AS members to buy a $15 sailpass for each race. I'm not sure that was the original intent of the system (at least as I understood it) and was surprised to hear other clubs are doing something similar.
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Pipe Dream
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Good luck with that question mate. Even our resident AS office holder @grs https://www.sailingresources.org.au/news/introducing-glen-stanaway/ cant seem to answer a straight question about AS activiites.
If such a senior staff member at AS is either unwilling or unable to do so, how the $%^& are the rest of us supposed to know?
If such a senior staff member at AS is either unwilling or unable to do so, how the $%^& are the rest of us supposed to know?
The Dark Knight
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Just been filling in my cat 5 certificate for the new financial year and of course in ASs infinite wisdom, these days it needs to be audited. I only started racing my boat this year, so last financial years cat 5 was audited only 6 months ago.
I use the term "financial year" because the July 1st new year matches nothing in the sailing year. Clubs tend to start their race year in spring. Th July 1st date is in the middle of the winter series. AS rule changes often take effect on Jan 1st, not July 1st
July 1st made very little sense in the past but it was no big deal when there was no mandatory audit, but club auditors must be busy right now.
The mandatory audit is an onerous requirement as it stands at the moment, but what do you expect from an organisation that's only focus is on sucking up to Government for funding and pleasing the mega rich maxi, TP etc owners.
Audits make sense and can be helpful when moving up a category. However when renewing your certificate, what has happened since the last time? I'm my boats case, I serviced my lifejackets & fire extinguishers. I checked the dates of my flares (from the last cat 5 form) and replaced some consumables in my first aid kit. Job done except the audit.
The way the rules are currently structured, the July 1 mandated safety Audit adds very little to zero to the onboard safety.
At the club racing level (5-7) audits should only be made mandatory for the first time a boat has a certificate at a certain level or when major rule changes occur.
Safety certificates should also be valid for 12 months regardless of the date submitted/audited. All clubs use or should be using computerised systems for managing their racing, so different expiry dates is no longer an issue.
I would address this to our resident AS Head of Safety Rules but as I don't own a $1m racer my opinion will be worth less than $0.02 to AS ............
I use the term "financial year" because the July 1st new year matches nothing in the sailing year. Clubs tend to start their race year in spring. Th July 1st date is in the middle of the winter series. AS rule changes often take effect on Jan 1st, not July 1st
July 1st made very little sense in the past but it was no big deal when there was no mandatory audit, but club auditors must be busy right now.
The mandatory audit is an onerous requirement as it stands at the moment, but what do you expect from an organisation that's only focus is on sucking up to Government for funding and pleasing the mega rich maxi, TP etc owners.
Audits make sense and can be helpful when moving up a category. However when renewing your certificate, what has happened since the last time? I'm my boats case, I serviced my lifejackets & fire extinguishers. I checked the dates of my flares (from the last cat 5 form) and replaced some consumables in my first aid kit. Job done except the audit.
The way the rules are currently structured, the July 1 mandated safety Audit adds very little to zero to the onboard safety.
At the club racing level (5-7) audits should only be made mandatory for the first time a boat has a certificate at a certain level or when major rule changes occur.
Safety certificates should also be valid for 12 months regardless of the date submitted/audited. All clubs use or should be using computerised systems for managing their racing, so different expiry dates is no longer an issue.
I would address this to our resident AS Head of Safety Rules but as I don't own a $1m racer my opinion will be worth less than $0.02 to AS ............
LB 15
Cunt
BTW, as owner are you paying for my sail pass for the regatta? I also will require a car to pick me up from home on the day morning. I know I only live 100 mts from the club, but I am a very lazy cunt. As you will find out during the series. Is there a nice dry spot back in the members stand for me?
Livia
Super Anarchist
That was always the intention, just AS was too fucking dishonest to say so.
Livia
Super Anarchist
Thought you were racing at Shorncliffe, last time anyone from AS went there Deliverance was playing at the box office.
and it was sure bet that they never returned from a trip up the creek.
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
I rarely travel to the north side and when I do, I leave the car doors locked.
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
Do you at least change your seating position on the boat so you can at least be useful ballast?
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
Still cheaper that paying for a fridge full of beer.
Does the NRL audit mouth guards?
Are Ice Hockey players skates audited for sharpness ?
Does the AFL audit the fitment of player shorts ?
Is the length of Netball players skirts audited and if so when, and can I have the job position description please ?
I was so pissed off with the state of yacht racing I sold my boat, and took up Netflix.
Are Ice Hockey players skates audited for sharpness ?
Does the AFL audit the fitment of player shorts ?
Is the length of Netball players skirts audited and if so when, and can I have the job position description please ?
I was so pissed off with the state of yacht racing I sold my boat, and took up Netflix.
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