Livia
Super Anarchist
but the is different from an appointment where there is no state body.
Australian Sailing
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Despite decades of involvement with the sport, I still can't pin down the value that AS provides to sailors. From racing to cruising, training and safety, social to all but the highest echelons of competitive....all aspects are created and run by clubs, classes and increasingly social networked sailors...AS plays (IMHO) a very small role in it's stated ambition of Developing our sport.
Is it the constitution of AS that's the problem...and its inherent conservatism (highlighted by Livia above wrt board recruitment)? The stated goals of AS at face value look reasonable...and that's the problem - The stated goals, in application by the board, become perverted into a self serving instrument.
Incidentally, I know personally a few members of the board...and they're decent people...so again, it appears that the perversion happens within the organisation. The ultra-conservative process of board appointments ensures (as intended) that there's no revolutionary/progressive change...and so we keep getting 'more of the same'...and (I would argue..not entirely coincidentally) the sport continues to decline.
Getting a real "Voice" heard at board level would be an essential start. Other sports have "player advocates" on the board...maybe that's a start. Having a democratic vote for each sailor would assist...and force AS to truly demonstrate its' value & contribution to the "membership".
The current structure is (I would argue) not representative of contemporary sailing and consequently not serving the broader sailing community well...time to rethink.
Is it the constitution of AS that's the problem...and its inherent conservatism (highlighted by Livia above wrt board recruitment)? The stated goals of AS at face value look reasonable...and that's the problem - The stated goals, in application by the board, become perverted into a self serving instrument.
Incidentally, I know personally a few members of the board...and they're decent people...so again, it appears that the perversion happens within the organisation. The ultra-conservative process of board appointments ensures (as intended) that there's no revolutionary/progressive change...and so we keep getting 'more of the same'...and (I would argue..not entirely coincidentally) the sport continues to decline.
Getting a real "Voice" heard at board level would be an essential start. Other sports have "player advocates" on the board...maybe that's a start. Having a democratic vote for each sailor would assist...and force AS to truly demonstrate its' value & contribution to the "membership".
The current structure is (I would argue) not representative of contemporary sailing and consequently not serving the broader sailing community well...time to rethink.
Dark Cloud
Super Anarchist
So how do we agitate for change? There seems enough discontent amongst the people with the most skin in the game, but no one seems to know what to do. Myself included... And it seems many of those just throw in the towel and do something else
I absolutely agree.
I have posted further up some extracts from SASCs first 100 years (now 150) and it was interesting how many different groups or associations there were, before NSW Yachting in the 1960s. I do not imagine for a second that any of the people writing that Constitution (like my father) would be other than horrified by what AS has become.
Livia
Super Anarchist
The response might be that we don't have to give any reasons as why we don't accept your entry for the next race.
Another AS gem.
Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
I think paying for a sailpass is fucked up. However if I want to play competition golf I have to be a member of a club and by association a member of Golf Australia.
If I want to have a hit with mates I don't have to be a member of anything, just turn up pay green fees and hit the ball into the bushes.
The first example is how I see competition racing, everyone should be a member of a club. But you shouldn't need to pay to sail at another club other than boat entry fees.
The second is how I see twilight sailing who cares if your a member or not at least your out there. Obviously the owner would be a member. Sure use sailpass to capture the numbers of people sailing but it should be mandated that it is at no cost.
If AS have to force people to join a club they will not come back, its up to the clubs to show the value to these non members as to why they should join. If they see people doing twilights each week they should encourage them to join but its up to the club to show the benefits.
If I want to have a hit with mates I don't have to be a member of anything, just turn up pay green fees and hit the ball into the bushes.
The first example is how I see competition racing, everyone should be a member of a club. But you shouldn't need to pay to sail at another club other than boat entry fees.
The second is how I see twilight sailing who cares if your a member or not at least your out there. Obviously the owner would be a member. Sure use sailpass to capture the numbers of people sailing but it should be mandated that it is at no cost.
If AS have to force people to join a club they will not come back, its up to the clubs to show the value to these non members as to why they should join. If they see people doing twilights each week they should encourage them to join but its up to the club to show the benefits.
No.
Rule 2 applies to boats and their owners.
2. FAIR SAILING
And a boat cannot protest a race committee.
Wrong sort of example.
If a jockey wants to ride in a horse race, he doesn't have to be a member of the AJC, that's up to the owner.
And if you want to work in any other field, thanks to John Howard, you don't have to be a member of anything, except for doctors, lawyers, and other self-serving rort artists.
DtM
Super Anarchist
I resemble that final remark
Jethrow
Super Anarchist
What about your caddy, do they need to be members of the association?
I've seen some boat crews carry a hell of a lot more for a skipper than a bag of clubs!
Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
Who the fuck has a caddy ?
Show me a sport where you can compete without joining that sports association
Show me a sport where you can compete without joining that sports association
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Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
If a jockey wants to ride in a horse race, he doesn't have to be a member of the AJC, that's up to the owner.
Bullshit
AR 110 Only licensed riders to ride in races (1) In order to ride in a race held under the Rules a person must hold the appropriate licence and/or qualification to ride granted by the PRA of the State or Territory in which the race is run in accordance with the Local Rules of that PRA.
Bullshit
AR 110 Only licensed riders to ride in races (1) In order to ride in a race held under the Rules a person must hold the appropriate licence and/or qualification to ride granted by the PRA of the State or Territory in which the race is run in accordance with the Local Rules of that PRA.
Xtasea
New member
Don't give them the idea of licences... each crew member will need a role licence with mandatory courses run by ....
Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
But you can't just turn up to Randwick and jump on a horse and race
Gorn FRANTIC!!
Super Anarchist
I've entered and competed in 4 trailer boat fishing comps in the last couple of years without having to join any association.
Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
Did you have a fishing licence ?
Gorn FRANTIC!!
Super Anarchist
If you work for Fisheries NSW, of course I did. If not...
