Livia
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Wooden boat Festivals
Speaking of which Defiance was launched 50 years ago in September.
Birthday party at the Wooden boat Festival in Hobart on the Sunday.
So put on your flares and body shirts
More news later.
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Speaking of which Defiance was launched 50 years ago in September.
Birthday party at the Wooden boat Festival in Hobart on the Sunday.
So put on your flares and body shirts
More news later.
Phil
Super Anarchist
Thanks CC, I hope to be there. By the way, your little boat at Pete's looks good. Saw it last week.
dfw_sailor
Super Anarchist
It's totally up to who is running the sports competition.
So let's say a group decides to run a open to all golf competition. So long as the participants pay any entry fees required, they don't have to be a member of whatever.
The same should apply to sailing, but unfortunately AS 'owns' the use of RRS and will not allow use of it without membership.
How this ever came to pass is beyond me.
A few years ago I posted about when I was commodore of the YHA sailing activity, and shortly after we received a world sailing best club website award, back around the mid 90's, AS sent us a letter demanding the activity join, and that all newbies (about 10 a week) would have to join as associates as well.
The answer was straight forward. AS has no jurisdiction because we did not have a racing program, and the only competitive activities were whacky competitions that used colregs as the base.
Then they tried on the basis of participant insurance, to which the YHA legal department told them to mind their own business as this was a fully sanctioned YHA activity covered by an umbrella policy.
Then there was another letter, to which to which the reply was, PO or see you in court.
AS gave up at that point.
Did you know in the US, certainly in Texas, with far more commercial marina than club marinas, that more than half of sail boat racing is true Corinthian? Use RRS. No membership. Volunteers. Turn up at the line, say high and race? No real prizes, phrf but it's not accurate anyway, they are all out there for fun.
US Sailing would be run out of Texas if they tried to prevent non members from using the RRS.
So at what point do enough sailors say.. enough?
Livia
Super Anarchist
Phil
Thanks, trying to keep it simple and true to its fishing boat roots.
Livia
Super Anarchist
Phil
The new floor boards are kauri from an old Kan Walker boat which was cut up.
Boat has been splined but not sheathed.
Kept as a day boat not a cruiser.
Cheers
FinnFish
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Anyone know how Yachting New Zealand run the game over there?
Obviously very successful in general with massive participation across a diversity of classes.
Have they adopted the AS approach or developed something that actually works?
Phil
Super Anarchist
Here's their RRR Rule 46:
46 PERSON IN CHARGE A boat shall have on board a person in charge designated by the member or organization that entered the boat. See rule 75. Yachting New Zealand prescribes that the designated person on board shall be a member of a club affiliated to Yachting New Zealand, or, if an international competitor, a member of a club affiliated to a World Sailing recognized Member National Authority (MNA).
So no, they are not arseholes like AS. They also have always encouraged shorthanded sailing, and multihulls.
The greatest benefit other than not having AS, is that they don't have the CYCA either.
Recidivist
Super Anarchist
Wooden boat festivals maybe a cheque signing competition, but that doesn't mean they are a "sport"
Sweet workboat Livia. Stempost, rubbing strakes, raised deck almost identical to the boat that my son and I did up over a year or so - now sold.
In her case, after 85 years as a trawler, a few planks were loose and some seams pretty dodgy. We stripped her to bare timber and completely refastened every plank to every rib, using epoxied dowels, not metal fasteners. When we craned her onto the truck to go back to Sydney, she didn't even creak! Good for another 85 years!
They don't seem to have massive participation these days at all. Three percent of Kiwis sail each year, which is the same as horse riding, squash, and just a fraction of the number who go canoeing or surfing. Check out the racing activity in somewhere outside Auckland and the Northland and compare it to a place with a similar population in Australia and it looks like the idea that winning the AC, Olympic medals, Volvo etc just doesn't translate into bums on boats - not that that's news.
For comparison I think sailing is roughly as popular in the UK, Australia, France and Germany as in NZ.
The diversity of dinghy classes in NZ, for example, isn't really very big at all. Many once-popular classes like Rs, Javelins and Cherubs have shrunk dramatically. Forty years of concentrating on the pro scene has left the grass roots looking pretty bare in many places.
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As a former SSAA member and a multi owner, I don't understand the hate at the CYCA and their attitude towards shorthanders or multis, apart from their Tattersal's decision. They were a fully-crewed mono club running fully-crewed mono races. They have no more obligation to run shorthanded races than the SSAA has to run fully-crewed races, and no more obligation to allow multis to race than my cat club had to allow monos to race.
Any club gets to run the races it wants to. No club has to allow in all types - and the strongest clubs are arguably the ones that specialise like the Belmont and Manly 16s, which only run classes that promote or work with 16 Footers.
I see AS now has a "National Foiling Project Manager".
Nothing against foilers (I have one) but there are individual dinghy classes like Sharpies, not to mention the usual suspects like Lasers, Etchells, 16s, ORCc and AMS yachts, that get more competitive sailors than all the foilers put together.
Why should one fairly small section of sailing get specific promotion, probably funded out of the pockets of the 99% of members who don't foil, when far bigger sections of the sport get nothing of the sort? Yes, we know that a small but vocal minority (the vast majority of them non-foilers) get weak at the knees whenever the F word is mentioned, but why should the mainstream pay for the promotion of a niche - especially when that niche is impractical at many clubs?
The biggest issue with sailing at the moment (IMHO) is the fervent promotion of innaccessible classes at the expense of the types that actually get bums on boats, and the arrrogant attitude of those who run the sport that they are the experts on what the rest of us should be sailing. And most of those doing the promotion - the industry and WS bodies - don't actually sail the stuff they tell OTHERS to sail. It's a case of "do as I say, peasant, not as I do" and that's never a good idea.
Nothing against foilers (I have one) but there are individual dinghy classes like Sharpies, not to mention the usual suspects like Lasers, Etchells, 16s, ORCc and AMS yachts, that get more competitive sailors than all the foilers put together.
Why should one fairly small section of sailing get specific promotion, probably funded out of the pockets of the 99% of members who don't foil, when far bigger sections of the sport get nothing of the sort? Yes, we know that a small but vocal minority (the vast majority of them non-foilers) get weak at the knees whenever the F word is mentioned, but why should the mainstream pay for the promotion of a niche - especially when that niche is impractical at many clubs?
The biggest issue with sailing at the moment (IMHO) is the fervent promotion of innaccessible classes at the expense of the types that actually get bums on boats, and the arrrogant attitude of those who run the sport that they are the experts on what the rest of us should be sailing. And most of those doing the promotion - the industry and WS bodies - don't actually sail the stuff they tell OTHERS to sail. It's a case of "do as I say, peasant, not as I do" and that's never a good idea.
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Livia
Super Anarchist
Quite a famous Australian boat behind headed to the Med classic boat circuit for overseas owner btw
As a SSAA member and organiser that was threatened by the CYCA for even daring to compete shorthanded, i have good reason to have hate for the CYCA and everything it stands for. I am not the only SSAA member that was threatened.
shaggybaxter
Super Anarchist
Australian Sailing just need to rebrand and get some moral integrity.
‘Olympic Funding Leaches that Fuck Keelboat , Multihull and SH Sailors” has at least the hint of honesty to it.
‘Olympic Funding Leaches that Fuck Keelboat , Multihull and SH Sailors” has at least the hint of honesty to it.
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Livia
Super Anarchist
Australian Sailing - bringing dishonestly to your sport.
Good few pages in this slogan competition Ed.
Good few pages in this slogan competition Ed.
Bill E Goat
Super Anarchist
You forgot Skiff
Okay, I wasn't aware of that and without knowing the circumstances it sounds like the CYCA's actions may have been inexcusable.
Rotnest Express
Member
I am a little bit removed from them fortunately but do take a passing interest as the get a bit of my hard earned via taxing my club.Seriously does anyone here think they are doing a good job for their rank and file constituents.Don’t see anyone rushing to their defence.If nothing else they clearly have a massive image problem from what I can gather.
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