In some ways I would like to see this threat happen, as it would cause a huge backlash, and may actually bring about real change. The mainstream media would lap it up, and would amaze a lot of sailors that their representative body is actually as bad, if not worse than they could ever imagine.The situation reaches a farcical level when AS will (and has) told clubs that if their membership drops, they cannot be affiliated and therefore they are not allowed to hold ANY racing under sail without all their members being banned. For an undemocratic body to claim total monopolistic control over an entire sport - including banning people for the "crime" of being in one of just two surviving clubs in a remote area where the number of clubs and sailors has dropped by about 85% under AS's watch - is immoral IMHO.
In some ways I would like to see this threat happen, as it would cause a huge backlash, and may actually bring about real change. The mainstream media would lap it up, and would amaze a lot of sailors that their representative body is actually as bad, if not worse than they could ever imagine.
Thanks that is enlightening. I guess I have not been paying attention up to now. No real reason for me to do so.You might find this a bit silly being from the UK, but individual sailors are not members of Australian Sailing.
Neither are the clubs of which they are members.
In four states, there are no longer state associations to be members either.
That is pretty simple how the structure came about and who is to blame, the state association leadership fuckwits who agreed to One Sailing a few years back and sold out their constituents on the promise of bright shiny things and personal greatness.Thanks that is enlightening. I guess I have not been paying attention up to now. No real reason for me to do so.
So, realising I may regret asking, who is Australian Sailing accountable to and how did this structure come about?
AS requires accredited mark layers? That’s a thing? What on earth requires a course about laying a mark? Is there some sort of official way to toss an anchor overboard or haul it up?This is the bit I am worried about ...
"Qualified Club Race Officers will see their accreditation remain active in the national database until its natural expiry. Prior to expiry they will be required to reaccredit as either a Regional Race Officer (to be the Race Officer in charge of a course), or a Mark Layer, Committee and Finish Boat, and/or Scorer Handicapper (choosing whichever qualification(s) is most relevant to the role they have been fulfilling in the Race Management Team)."
The words "to be the Race Officer in charge of a course" to me reads like a Regional qualification is required to be an RO at Club level, with the "other roles" supporting the RO having these new training courses....
You just pointed out that it was not an issue and then go on a rant about how terrible it will be for your club. And as for every competitor having to be an 'RO for the day' its sounds like you are the one making up stupid rules not AS.If not, it is a huge issue as you say. Three of the last four small-boat clubs I've been a member of required every sailor to take one or two turns at running the races. One of them has currently has about 90 boats (TYs, dinghies and cats) registered for the club championship.
Got any examples of this?the fees are vastly higher than those of other national bodies.
My god you are full of shit. Name the club in question.The situation reaches a farcical level when AS will (and has) told clubs that if their membership drops, they cannot be affiliated and therefore they are not allowed to hold ANY racing under sail without all their members being banned.
It won't happen because it is total bullshit. I am no apologist for AS but you won't bring about change by spreading horse shit rumors.In some ways I would like to see this threat happen, as it would cause a huge backlash, and may actually bring about real change. The mainstream media would lap it up, and would amaze a lot of sailors that their representative body is actually as bad, if not worse than they could ever imagine.
My god you are full of shit. Name the club in question.
I'd guess that there is some licencing or something issue with running a race in which the NOR refers to the RRS created by WS or the AS customised version.What exactly would happen if a bunch of people got together, with no club, just people who wanted to enjoy their boats. They toss some marks in the water. One boat serves as RC. There is a start, people sail around the course, they finish, they go to the bar and lie to each other about how great they are. What exactly is AS going to do to those people? Put them on double secret probation? How would they even know there was a casual race?
There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye…For one thing it states the NOR is an ‘inter club’ event. So what was the proposed regatta? The Mold 11 worlds?More lies from you. I'm not going to name the clubs in question since that there's no reason why I should do so to satisfy a liar like you at the risk of further inflaming the situation.
The situation is clear. A club must be affiliated or it will get a letter like this one; note the highlighted sections, including the second one which states that members WILL be barred from other races.
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But when you look up the AS site to try to get affiliated, you find that it clearly says "Please note that to be an affiliated club; your club must have at least 10 members."
New ClubsNew Clubs Australian Sailing is the peak body responsible for the development and promotion of the sport of sailing. The process of affiliation means that a Club becomes a member of Australian Sa...www.sailing.org.au
That policy has been in place for about a decade, and it was applied to clubs that were already affiliated as well as new applicants. I have seen the emails from the club from that time, outlining the fact that due to drought etc the numbers had dropped and that it wasn't going to have enough members to maintain the 10-member minimum required to maintain its affiliation. The state manager of the time did not say that the club would be exempt, despite the fact that it had a clubhouse, weekly racing, rescue boat, etc and had been paying affiliation fees for decades. That was when the club gave up its affiliation.
The same membership minimum Catch 22 certainly effects one club in the general region, which only races once a year when a distant affiliated club takes on the role of organising body.
The situation is simple - you cannot be affiliated unless you have 10 members and you cannot run racing unless you are affiliated. That is the official rules and the official attitude as shown by an official letter. So you are the one who is full of shit.
So nothing happened then? No one was suspended and they have all kissed and made up?AS stated that the threat would be carried out this season. The only reason it wasn't seems to have been that the club in question knows the right people, and that's not a good reason.
The club in question is going to affiliate now that membership has recovered, but it was trying to prioritise spending its time and money dealing with the fact that due to development in the area the local government wanted it to pay to demolish its clubhouse and the two pit toilets, stop sailing for two years, and then maybe start sailing again - but this time without a clubhouse, boat storage or rigging area. Not surprisingly, that threat to its existence took priority.
The people running the club, who also run the local multi-club multi-sport aquatic association, have managed to turn the situation around so that the clubs will now get new clubhouses, new facilities and acres of new land. Apparently finding the time to extract a million bucks and some land from two levels of government, dealing with drought and low water level, fire and plagues, growing the club, getting a new training fleet, running sailing schools and getting national and world championship pickle dishes in major classes the club members have run is less important than doing a bunch of paperwork and paying one third of the membership fee income to AS.
So nothing happened then? No one was suspended and they have all kissed and made up?
You can unwad your panties then.
So what should be the minimum number of members of an affiliated club be? One?
I might start my own private club and run my own Sydney to Hobart race, starting on Boxing Day.
As the only member I am a shoe in for a dish.
Got any examples of this?