Australian Sailing
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In some ways I would like to see this threat happen, as it would cause a huge backlash, and may actually bring about real change. The mainstream media would lap it up, and would amaze a lot of sailors that their representative body is actually as bad, if not worse than they could ever imagine.
AS stated that the threat would be carried out this season. The only reason it wasn't seems to have been that the club in question knows the right people, and that's not a good reason.
The club in question is going to affiliate now that membership has recovered, but it was trying to prioritise spending its time and money dealing with the fact that due to development in the area the local government wanted it to pay to demolish its clubhouse and the two pit toilets, stop sailing for two years, and then maybe start sailing again - but this time without a clubhouse, boat storage or rigging area. Not surprisingly, that threat to its existence took priority.
The people running the club, who also run the local multi-club multi-sport aquatic association, have managed to turn the situation around so that the clubs will now get new clubhouses, new facilities and acres of new land. Apparently finding the time to extract a million bucks and some land from two levels of government, dealing with drought and low water level, fire and plagues, growing the club, getting a new training fleet, running sailing schools and getting national and world championship pickle dishes in major classes the club members have run is less important than doing a bunch of paperwork and paying one third of the membership fee income to AS.
Downunder Legend
New member
AS should change its name to ARSE - Australian Regulatory Sailing Enterprise
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
Thanks that is enlightening. I guess I have not been paying attention up to now. No real reason for me to do so.
So, realising I may regret asking, who is Australian Sailing accountable to and how did this structure come about?
Livia
Super Anarchist
That is pretty simple how the structure came about and who is to blame, the state association leadership fuckwits who agreed to One Sailing a few years back and sold out their constituents on the promise of bright shiny things and personal greatness.
All false of course.
As to accountability, a company is accountable to its members but here the members are for the most part appointed by the directors.
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
Thanks. So that is two fucked up MNAs in the major sailing nations. Doesn’t bode well.
AS requires accredited mark layers? That’s a thing? What on earth requires a course about laying a mark? Is there some sort of official way to toss an anchor overboard or haul it up?
It’s clear everyone involved in AS is a certified masterbator.
LB 15
Cunt
You just pointed out that it was not an issue and then go on a rant about how terrible it will be for your club. And as for every competitor having to be an 'RO for the day' its sounds like you are the one making up stupid rules not AS.
LB 15
Cunt
Got any examples of this?
LB 15
Cunt
My god you are full of shit. Name the club in question.
LB 15
Cunt
It won't happen because it is total bullshit. I am no apologist for AS but you won't bring about change by spreading horse shit rumors.
More lies from you. I'm not going to name the clubs in question since that there's no reason why I should do so to satisfy a liar like you at the risk of further inflaming the situation.
The situation is clear. A club must be affiliated or it will get a letter like this one; note the highlighted sections, including the second one which states that members WILL be barred from other races.
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The letter clearly said that those involved in the "prohibited event" could or would be banned from sailing in other events.
But when you look up the AS site to try to get affiliated, you find that it clearly says "Please note that to be an affiliated club; your club must have at least 10 members."
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New Clubs Australian Sailing is the peak body responsible for the development and promotion of the sport of sailing. The process of affiliation means that a Club becomes a member of Australian Sa...
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That policy has been in place for about a decade, and it was applied to clubs that were already affiliated as well as new applicants. I have seen the emails from the club from that time, outlining the fact that due to drought etc the numbers had dropped and that it wasn't going to have enough members to maintain the 10-member minimum required to maintain its affiliation. The state manager of the time did not say that the club would be exempt, despite the fact that it had a clubhouse, weekly racing, rescue boat, etc and had been paying affiliation fees for decades. That was when the club gave up its affiliation.
The same membership minimum Catch 22 certainly effects one club in the general region, which only races once a year when a distant affiliated club takes on the role of organising body.
The situation is simple - you cannot be affiliated unless you have 10 members and you cannot run racing unless you are affiliated. That is the official rules and the official attitude as shown by an official letter. So you are the one who is full of shit.
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What exactly would happen if a bunch of people got together, with no club, just people who wanted to enjoy their boats. They toss some marks in the water. One boat serves as RC. There is a start, people sail around the course, they finish, they go to the bar and lie to each other about how great they are. What exactly is AS going to do to those people? Put them on double secret probation? How would they even know there was a casual race?
The Dark Knight
Super Anarchist
I'd guess that there is some licencing or something issue with running a race in which the NOR refers to the RRS created by WS or the AS customised version.
Perhaps the solution is for a club to create it's own RRS.
It would be interesting to see the financial figures for the AS personal accident insurance scam.
LB 15
Cunt
There is obviously more to this story than meets the eye…For one thing it states the NOR is an ‘inter club’ event. So what was the proposed regatta? The Mold 11 worlds?More lies from you. I'm not going to name the clubs in question since that there's no reason why I should do so to satisfy a liar like you at the risk of further inflaming the situation.
The situation is clear. A club must be affiliated or it will get a letter like this one; note the highlighted sections, including the second one which states that members WILL be barred from other races.
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But when you look up the AS site to try to get affiliated, you find that it clearly says "Please note that to be an affiliated club; your club must have at least 10 members."
New Clubs
New Clubs Australian Sailing is the peak body responsible for the development and promotion of the sport of sailing. The process of affiliation means that a Club becomes a member of Australian Sa...
That policy has been in place for about a decade, and it was applied to clubs that were already affiliated as well as new applicants. I have seen the emails from the club from that time, outlining the fact that due to drought etc the numbers had dropped and that it wasn't going to have enough members to maintain the 10-member minimum required to maintain its affiliation. The state manager of the time did not say that the club would be exempt, despite the fact that it had a clubhouse, weekly racing, rescue boat, etc and had been paying affiliation fees for decades. That was when the club gave up its affiliation.
The same membership minimum Catch 22 certainly effects one club in the general region, which only races once a year when a distant affiliated club takes on the role of organising body.
The situation is simple - you cannot be affiliated unless you have 10 members and you cannot run racing unless you are affiliated. That is the official rules and the official attitude as shown by an official letter. So you are the one who is full of shit.
If nine mates want to call themselves the Lower buttfuck creek sailing club and rack up against each other in their shitboxes each Saturday I am sure AS could not give a flying fuck.
However if someone say, wishes to pretent to be a club and run events for commercial gain, particularly if the event is in competition to a sanctioned event, then I could understand them using a hammer.
So what’s the full story?
LB 15
Cunt
So nothing happened then? No one was suspended and they have all kissed and made up?
You can unwad your panties then.
So what should be the minimum number of members of an affiliated club be? One?
I might start my own private club and run my own Sydney to Hobart race, starting on Boxing Day.
As the only member I am a shoe in for a dish.
"Commercial gain" "Mould 11 worlds"????? "competition to a sanctioned event"???? "Pretend to be a club"??? What bullshit are you making up?
The "full story" is that this was a club running its normal annual regatta as it has done for about 40 years. As it has done throughout that time, it invited other local clubs but this time it put out a press release because it was the club's 50th anniversay regatta.
On the Monday before the event, without any previous discussion apart from one informal chat at another regatta years before, AS sent a formal letter threatening to ban anyone who members of other clubs turned up, and stating that members of the host club WOULD be banned.
This is a country club that, as the post clearly said, couldn't even muster 10 members about a decade ago and now you're going on about "commercial gain" from it running a 20 boat dinghy and cat regatta???? What a sad, lying scumbag you are to have to make up crap like that to crawl out of the fact that you lied. There was no competition to a sanctioned event - all clubs in the area had set their regattas to try to ensure that there was no clash.
Your complete lack of honesty is shown by the fact that you are making up rubbish and ignoring the fact that as the post said, the club was a real one that had a clubhouse, rescue boats, regular events and had been going for decades.
The "full story" is that this was a club running its normal annual regatta as it has done for about 40 years. As it has done throughout that time, it invited other local clubs but this time it put out a press release because it was the club's 50th anniversay regatta.
On the Monday before the event, without any previous discussion apart from one informal chat at another regatta years before, AS sent a formal letter threatening to ban anyone who members of other clubs turned up, and stating that members of the host club WOULD be banned.
This is a country club that, as the post clearly said, couldn't even muster 10 members about a decade ago and now you're going on about "commercial gain" from it running a 20 boat dinghy and cat regatta???? What a sad, lying scumbag you are to have to make up crap like that to crawl out of the fact that you lied. There was no competition to a sanctioned event - all clubs in the area had set their regattas to try to ensure that there was no clash.
Your complete lack of honesty is shown by the fact that you are making up rubbish and ignoring the fact that as the post said, the club was a real one that had a clubhouse, rescue boats, regular events and had been going for decades.
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You don't have the guts to admit that you lied, do you? You stated that it was "total bullshit" that AS would ban sailors and having seen the letter containing that threat you're too dishonest to admit that you lied. You are as gutless as you are dishonest.
The club is getting affiliated after a temporary compromise was found. The regatta was cancelled then reinstated, after a lot of stress and a bunch of lost entrants.
Any reasonable person - and we all know you are not reasonable - would understand that a letter like that caused a lot of angst to the people who have revived a small club and who had already paid for catering, trophies and all the other costs of a regatta that was supposed to start five days after the letting was received.
A club that has a clubhouse, decades of existence, a regular weekly racing calendar, a storage compound with boats, a rescue boat and all the other faciltiies of a regular club should have been allowed to remain affiliated even when its membership dropped.
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Comparison between AS and RYA fees have already been posted here.
