Banque Populaire dropping ClaCla

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Vendée Globe 2024 : le Team Banque Populaire contraint de changer de skipper

www.voile.banquepopulaire.fr www.voile.banquepopulaire.fr

Due to her motherhood they are not shure if she can successfully finish her qualifying races for the VG. Cunts.
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I'm at a loss as to why she couldn't get qualifying points this year/next year on (the new to her) Apivia. Lots of others are starting this year with the aim of getting enough points. Seems odd. She is understandably not happy.. this is from her instagram page (autotranslated!)

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I am in shock, other projects launched much more recently, however, continue without flinching. There were 2 full seasons and 4 transatlantic races left to get back to the level, I was fully equipped to finish my rehabilitation as soon as possible.
But for Banque Populaire it would be "letting fate choose for them", when they "must" be at the start of the Vendée Globe"

Bad form, Banque Populaire! Don't just blame the VG organisation. And choosing a new skipper now will just have the same risks of sticking with Clarisse- still has to do the qualifying races.
 
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"2 full seasons and 4 transatlantic races left"

Where are these ? From a strictly factual persecpective ?
And BP press release says it is impossible now for her to get the qualification, is it the case or not ?
(if yes, if "someone" is to blame, it is the VG organisation, not BP, BP also saying they have had exchanges with the organisation about her case).

Plus I'm not a huge fan of slogans/punch lines such as "Les règles choisies par le Vendée Globe interdisent à une femme d’avoir un enfant"
 
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yl75 said:
"2 full seasons and 4 transatlantic races left"

Where are these ? From a strictly factual persecpective ?
And BP press release says it is impossible now for her to get the qualification, is it the case or not ?
(if yes, if "someone" is to blame, it is the VG organisation, not BP, BP also saying they have had exchanges with the organisation about her case).

Plus I'm not a huge fan of slogans/punch lines such as "Les règles choisies par le Vendée Globe interdisent à une femme d’avoir un enfant"
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No it isn't impossible- and indeed the new skipper will have to do it anyway.

There are several skippers with new (some yet to be launched) boats (eg Yoann Richomme, Jeremie Bayou, Charlie Dalin, Jean le Cam, Thomas Ruyant, to name but a few) who may need to do qualifying races on the new boats, although the first 13 new boats will be exempt. So far, 7 have already taken these exempt spots. leaving 6 places to fight for (and more than 6 new boats yet to come)

. There are three Qualifying races left (in bold below) as far as I understand from the IMOCA website:

"Each IMOCA/skipper pairing must be at the start of at least two qualifying races (one in 2022 or 2023 and one in 2024). The skipper must finish at least one of them and his or her race time must not be more than one and a half times faster than the winner's time. The qualifying races, contested single-handed, are
- (Vendée Arctique - Les Sables d'Olonne 2022 )
- (Route du Rhum - Destination Guadeloupe 2022)
- Transat Jacques Vabre 2023 (Retour à la Base)*
- The Transat CIC 2024
- New York - Vendée 2024
*Derogation: In case of major damage encountered on the Transat Jacques Vabre 2023 making it impossible to participate in the return race of the Transat Jacques Vabre 2023, the organization will be able to grant a derogation and accept that the start of the Transat Jacques Vabre 2023 will count as a qualifying race, even though it will be raced in double-handed."

Additionally if there are too many skippers who qualify under these rules, they take account of qualifying miles, including non solo race miles (pro rated) on a wider number of races, even if not sailed on the proposed VG boat.
Full details: https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/22566/how-to-take-part-in-the-vendee-globe-2024#:~:text=This qualification concerns all the,to sail around the world.
 
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Oh and this is the current state of play re qualification (after the route du Rhum)..

www.vendeeglobe.org

News - Post-Route du Rhum: what about qualification for the Vendée Globe? - Vendée Globe - En

Nine days after the arrival of Thomas Ruyant, the winner of this 12th edition of the Route du Rhum - Destination Guadeloupe, the last competitor, Oliver Heer, crossed the…
www.vendeeglobe.org www.vendeeglobe.org

Note: "All the projects that have validated a 2022 qualifying race will have to start a qualifying race in 2024, The Transat CIC or the New York Vendée - Les Sables d'Olonne to be qualified for the next Vendée Globe.

Projects that have not validated a qualifying race in 2022 will have to validate the 2023 qualifying race, the "Retour à la Base", the return race of the Transat Jacques Vabre, in solo."

SO Clarisse (or a substitute skipper) would have to do the Retour a la base this year and one of the two races next year.
 
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This is all over national and regional TV in France, would not surprise me if the last word has not been spoken. This would be a big publicity disaster for the VG and BP...
france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr

Vendée Globe 2024. Clarisse Crémer lâchée par Banque Populaire à cause de sa maternité

La navigatrice, détentrice du record féminin du Vendée Globe, n'a plus de sponsor pour l'édition 2024. Voile Banque Populaire estimant qu'elle ne pourrait pas rattraper le retard pris à cause de sa maternité pour se qualifier.
france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr
 
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Yep It's a big scandal. Press and internet are full of this news.

One thing I am obliged to say:
Not to give a top boat to a woman who gave birth to a child is not a shame.
What is more important: Kids or sailing?

Clarise Cremer.jpg
 
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wildbirdtoo said:
No it isn't impossible- and indeed the new skipper will have to do it anyway.

There are several skippers with new (some yet to be launched) boats (eg Yoann Richomme, Jeremie Bayou, Charlie Dalin, Jean le Cam, Thomas Ruyant, to name but a few) who may need to do qualifying races on the new boats, although the first 13 new boats will be exempt. So far, 7 have already taken these exempt spots. leaving 6 places to fight for (and more than 6 new boats yet to come)

. There are three Qualifying races left (in bold below) as far as I understand from the IMOCA website:

"Each IMOCA/skipper pairing must be at the start of at least two qualifying races (one in 2022 or 2023 and one in 2024). The skipper must finish at least one of them and his or her race time must not be more than one and a half times faster than the winner's time. The qualifying races, contested single-handed, are
- (Vendée Arctique - Les Sables d'Olonne 2022 )
- (Route du Rhum - Destination Guadeloupe 2022)
- Transat Jacques Vabre 2023 (Retour à la Base)*
- The Transat CIC 2024
- New York - Vendée 2024
*Derogation: In case of major damage encountered on the Transat Jacques Vabre 2023 making it impossible to participate in the return race of the Transat Jacques Vabre 2023, the organization will be able to grant a derogation and accept that the start of the Transat Jacques Vabre 2023 will count as a qualifying race, even though it will be raced in double-handed."

Additionally if there are too many skippers who qualify under these rules, they take account of qualifying miles, including non solo race miles (pro rated) on a wider number of races, even if not sailed on the proposed VG boat.
Full details: https://www.vendeeglobe.org/en/news/22566/how-to-take-part-in-the-vendee-globe-2024#:~:text=This qualification concerns all the,to sail around the world.
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All the new boats are automatically qualified (or the first 13 new to be precise), rational being "to promote innovation", and I think it makes sense, especially considering that in this IMOCA game, the skippers getting new boats are usually very experienced (the only exception coming to mind is Pieter Heerema who got the boat with his own money from I forgot which experienced Italian skipper).
So I'm not too sure to what extend Clarisse could have got the points or not.
(also do skippers get "some" points for races on IMOCAs that won't be the one for the VG, none ?)
BP press release says "N’ayant pu participer à ces courses pour des raisons heureuses de maternité, Clarisse est aujourd’hui dans une situation qui ne lui permet pas d’espérer obtenir le nombre de points nécessaires pour se qualifier pour le Vendée Globe 2024."

So "Clarisse is now in a position that prevents her to hope having the points for the VG 2024", not crystal clear.
On the other hand, how could another skipper get the points to do the next VG with the ex Apivia under BP colors ? (having had points on another boat ?)
(Another solution being Charlie doing the next VG with current Apivia under BP colors, and some other skipper getting the new Apivia ! :) )

One thing for sure, Clarisse didn't get that boat and sponsorship "even though she is a woman", but "because she is one" (not only that of course, ability to communicate, sport/skipper qualities, previous achievements, etc).
 
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Schakel said:
Yep It's a big scandal. Press and internet are full of this news.

One thing I am obliged to say:
Not to give a top boat to a woman who gave birth to a child is not a shame.
What is more important: Kids or sailing?
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You aren't obliged to say it, thats the cool part. You don't have to say shit.

Also, why does it matter, her partner knows what she does for a living. She finished the previous VG, they then had a child. They fully intended for her to do this race again, with the ex Apivia.

What's more important: Kid's or Sailing, that's none of our fucking business. That is her and her partners choice, not mine and not yours.
 
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This her educational back ground:
Studies and career path outside of sailing:
"After obtaining a Bac S at Rueil-Malmaison (Hauts-de-Seine), I joined a 'prep' school in Sainte-Geneviève in Versailles. Then, I continued my studies at HEC (business school, ed note) before founding a start-up with my brother Kazaden.com, which specializes in booking outdoor adventure trips, vacations and experiences.”
 
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Schakel said:
This her educational back ground:
Studies and career path outside of sailing:
"After obtaining a Bac S at Rueil-Malmaison (Hauts-de-Seine), I joined a 'prep' school in Sainte-Geneviève in Versailles. Then, I continued my studies at HEC (business school, ed note) before founding a start-up with my brother Kazaden.com, which specializes in booking outdoor adventure trips, vacations and experiences.”
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And that matters how? She had already raced around the world, with their sponsorship, did well enough to retain/upgrade to a new boat. She was/IS a professional sailor.

There are no college courses and curriculum on becoming a professional offshore sailor. Good for her, she has some other shit to fall back on when she decides that she is done racing around the world.
 
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Schakel said:
One thing I am obliged to say:
Not to give a top boat to a woman who gave birth to a child is not a shame.
What is more important: Kids or sailing?
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What makes you obliged to say this? Are you somehow responsible for her actions and choices? Are you her life coach or adviser?

The question of what is more important is hers to make.
 
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beercanned said:
What makes you obliged to say this? Are you somehow responsible for her actions and choices? Are you her life coach or adviser?

The question of what is more important is hers to
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Ethics.

It's her discision to take a child. Makes her not a top atleet.
It's heavy to carry and give birth to a child.

In the end she wouldn't have missed for the the rest of the world.
A child wish is stronger than winning the vendee globe.
Makes her human.
 
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That is not ethics, THAT is your opinion.

Are you saying that it would be impossible to have a child and then sometime later IN THE FUTURE..participate as an elite athlete? That's some bullshit right there.

"A child wish is stronger than winning the Vendee Globe" WHAT?

Would you say the same things if say Armel and his partner(if he has one) chose to have a child after the last edition?
 
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Schakel said:
Ethics.

It's her discision to take a child. Makes her not a top atleet.
It's heavy to carry and give birth to a child.

In the end she wouldn't have missed for the the rest of the world.
A child wish is stronger than winning the vendee globe.
Makes her human.
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This is Lizzie Deignan.
2015 women's road cycling world champion.

Had a daughter in 2018.
Won the Women's Tour in 2019.
This her now pregnant with her second child.

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You know nothing about ethics, women athletes or what modern female sports should look like.

So...

You're a talker.
 
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