Banque Populaire dropping ClaCla

[SeQuBu]

Man I hope you are a paid corporate shrill for BP because I didn't think anyone could be this out of touch!

Please, how many people are still talking or even remembering last year's Middle Sea race finish, or the SH the year before?

Not saying that people should but just being realistic about the real PR fallout of something like this for BP.
For example how many people are REALLY going to go and switch away from BP, how many businesses are REALLY going to change banks after this vs how many are going to sign up because BP is at the startline of the VG.

 

[SeQuBu]

The money is supposed to generate an ROI based on positive PR and positive growth in accounts.
If ditching a Mom merely in order to race, leads to negative PR, declining retail accounts and declining profits.......then the "waste" is pursuing a strategy with a very-significant chance of wasting all their money.

With the difference that it won't.
These things might be remembered in the next 6 months in the sailing community but in front of the public this is already old news and view people potentially really picked up on this; vs the huge global exposure, they will get when their boat is on the start line and racing.
Also, do you really think that a significant amount of people or business is going to switch bank because of this?
And if they do, do you really think that the amount of business they will get from being at the VG won't outmatch that lose?

 

[Virgulino Ferreira]

 

[lakeneuch]

Affaire Crémer : « Clarisse avait le temps de se qualifier… » selon le président de la Fédération française de voile

Le président de la Fédération française de voile, Jean-Luc Denéchau, déplore l’éviction de Clarisse Crémer par Banque Populaire après sa maternité. Il espère que la navigatrice puisse prendre le départ du Vendée Globe 2024.

www.letelegramme.fr

Some statements from Jean-Luc Denéchau, president of the french sailing association.
The interesting part:
"I have made contact with all the parties. We are in discussions to find a way out of the crisis. We want Clarisse to be able to take part in the Vendée Globe, most likely with Banque Populaire. This possibility exists, since Banque Populaire is now willing to do so. And we have the possibility, with the organizer and through the invitation, to reassure everyone. It may take a some time... time to negotiate. But everyone wants to get out of this situation, because it is not good for the image of sailing and sport in general."

 

[Wess]

Affaire Crémer : « Clarisse avait le temps de se qualifier… » selon le président de la Fédération française de voile

Le président de la Fédération française de voile, Jean-Luc Denéchau, déplore l’éviction de Clarisse Crémer par Banque Populaire après sa maternité. Il espère que la navigatrice puisse prendre le départ du Vendée Globe 2024.

www.letelegramme.fr

Some statements from Jean-Luc Denéchau, president of the french sailing association.
The interesting part:
"I have made contact with all the parties. We are in discussions to find a way out of the crisis. We want Clarisse to be able to take part in the Vendée Globe, most likely with Banque Populaire. This possibility exists, since Banque Populaire is now willing to do so. And we have the possibility, with the organizer and through the invitation, to reassure everyone. It may take a some time... time to negotiate. But everyone wants to get out of this situation, because it is not good for the image of sailing and sport in general."

Interesting. First sign of life I have heard from BP or it’s shrills!

 

[PaulK]

Interesting. First sign of life I have heard from BP or it’s shrills!

Except it's the head of FFV (French Sailing) saying things about BP, not BP itself. He hopefully has some pull with VG organizers about doing something to fix this.

 

[tp#12]

Marie Tabarly speaks on behalf of others women. The point is to raise that the most competent womens don't get jobs, while clearly less competent ones get due to a purely surperficial reason... Yes, feninism is a very intricate cause.

It isn't solely due to a purely superficial reason though, is it. Most sports have crossover programs for elite athletes changing sports to accelerate their progression. It's good for the athlete, good for the sport to have an Olympic Silver medallist crossing over and great for the promotion of women athletes generally. And she's not even coming from another sport, just another type of sailing.

It's incredibly insulting to say an Olympic medallist was picked purely for looks.

Elite athletes pick things up fast and it seems she is already and already providing value.

 

[Mambo Kings]

I think we all agree on this. The original point of MT which I kinda agree with, even if I'm not sure I would've publicly commented on it as such, is that for TOR, which is extremely performance-oriented and pushing the boat at all moments, there were women objectively more qualified for that role, which is true.

I understand your post. Let us not get wound up on detail. If that was MT's point, then I disagree with her publicly and privately. When I am putting together a team, I want the best potential there is. That will include backing raw talent over experience as one part of the ingredients of the team. Yes Kevin alreday has some experienced players but in terms of talent, boats speed, determination to win.....they may have deliberately chosen Suzann over other candidates. I just think that is more likely than picking someone because they have a photogenic smile.

We are not saying she is useless on the boat or that she has weak potential. Simply that on short-term performance as is required in TOR, someone better from the Figaro circuit or even like Isabelle Joschke would've been a seemingly better fit.

IJ is a personal heroine of mine. Talented and smart. But even I might have picked Suzann for the TOR over IJ to help with boat speed given the team is already strong in nav and strat.

Factually, though, she is on the boat, and I'd bet she's proving quite helpful on things like sail trim or helm (even if they helm with autopilot remote), even if she wouldn't necessarily be proficient in offshore nav/tac yet.
Besides that, I don't think anyone has an actual problem with her being on the boat; hate the game, not the player.

 

[Mambo Kings]

Geelong is quite cosmopolitan

I would support holding the Viper Europeans at Geelong. I have some good friends in Melbourne. Wanna come and crew?

 

[Mambo Kings]

It isn't solely due to a purely superficial reason though, is it. Most sports have crossover programs for elite athletes changing sports to accelerate their progression. It's good for the athlete, good for the sport to have an Olympic Silver medallist crossing over and great for the promotion of women athletes generally. And she's not even coming from another sport, just another type of sailing.

It's incredibly insulting to say an Olympic medallist was picked purely for looks.

Well someone has to say it. Peter Burling was obviously picked for his good looks. As an inexperienced Olympic medalist, there were clearly more experienced offshore racers available for the Volvo Ocean race But Pete, with his tousled hair and flip flops, provided the heart throb factor for the women fans that the corporate suits at Brunel could not ignore.

Or just maybe......Bouwe Bekking picked Peter for his talent.... and just maybe the adventurous team selection allowed the most underfunded team in the competition to win three legs outright and go into the last sprint leg tied for the lead in first place .

Elite athletes pick things up fast and it seems she is already and already providing value.

 

[DELETED]

PR stunts gonna stunt…..?…

 

[Mambo Kings]

Affaire Crémer : « Clarisse avait le temps de se qualifier… » selon le président de la Fédération française de voile

Le président de la Fédération française de voile, Jean-Luc Denéchau, déplore l’éviction de Clarisse Crémer par Banque Populaire après sa maternité. Il espère que la navigatrice puisse prendre le départ du Vendée Globe 2024.

www.letelegramme.fr

Some statements from Jean-Luc Denéchau, president of the french sailing association.
The interesting part:
"I have made contact with all the parties. We are in discussions to find a way out of the crisis. We want Clarisse to be able to take part in the Vendée Globe, most likely with Banque Populaire. This possibility exists, since Banque Populaire is now willing to do so. And we have the possibility, with the organizer and through the invitation, to reassure everyone. It may take a some time... time to negotiate. But everyone wants to get out of this situation, because it is not good for the image of sailing and sport in general."

Once again, BP have lost control of the narrative.

This prolonged negotiation sends the message that "We are willing to reinstate Clarisse on certain conditions". There is no admission that a mistake was made. No prompt apology . No quick resolution. No embracing Clarisse unconditionally. Furthermore the message and narrative is coming from everywhere except BP. It is incredibly inept PR. It is the same indecisiveness and lousy crisis management that BP has been known for 15 years..

@SeQuBu is wrong about this. Every misstep by BP is making sure that people dont forget about it and the news coverage is far wider than the results of the VG will ever achieve.

Banque unPopulaire : Lots of People. None of them any good.

 

[Trocola]

A point nobody is mentioning about Sussan, beyond her sailing habilites and positive attitude, is how fit she looks and she is not short either. I am sure when moving stacking she is a machine.

 

[despacio avenue]

A point nobody is mentioning about Sussan, beyond her sailing habilites and positive attitude, is how fit she looks and she is not short either. I am sure when moving stacking she is a machine.

I have seen her doing that several times and in the two recently posted videos, you can see she is very strong.

 

[despacio avenue]

Well someone has to say it. Peter Burling was obviously picked for his good looks. As an inexperienced Olympic medalist, there were clearly more experienced offshore racers available for the Volvo Ocean race But Pete, with his tousled hair and flip flops, provided the heart throb factor for the women fans that the corporate suits at Brunel could not ignore.

Or just maybe......Bouwe Bekking picked Peter for his talent.... and just maybe the adventurous team selection allowed the most underfunded team in the competition to win three legs outright and go into the last sprint leg tied for the lead in first place .

Au contraire. Blair Tewkes was chosen for his looks; Pete is a dork! But a talented one.

 

[steinzeit]

Nobody ever thought that maybe Holcim wanted some German speaking Sailors on the boat?
I think MT forgot that PRB is not strictly franco-francaise anymore.
The Audience Holcim aims for is European if not global.

 

[loneshark64]

Marie Taberly is dead wrong here.

Sailing expertise and potential are critical. But let’s be realistic and admit that social media expertise is also critical now. It is a basic business skill if you want to be a top level offshore sailor. Alex Thompson had it. So does Boris Hermann. So does Sanni Buecke, in spades. Top French sailors can get away with being boring and appealing only to the French market. The non-French cannot.

Part of social media expertise is making yourself look attractive when the camera clicks. This goes for both men and women. That’s the game, whether you're Alex, Boris or Sanni B. Shitting on her because she knows how to run her business is BS.

People like MT want to ”advance the cause of women” until another woman actual advances, and then the knives come out.

 

[pqbon]

Marie Taberly is wrong but I can understand where her feelings come from -- even if they are misdirected.

If only young social media savey women get a rides -- it is only margenally better than before. Yes - olympic dinghy sailors do deserve a chance to race offshore. But its rough when only young sailors are getting rides and older experianced female sailors are struggling and getting cast aside. Male sailors get to decide when they stop racing offshore at the top of the industry. Women don't... the rides just stop coming.

Look at what the SCA sailors went through. In almost every interview they talk about how the rides didn't come after the race. They did well learned and grew and competed at the highest level and as a team they struggled afterwards.

If the fastest women in the last edition of the race can't get boat this time around -- that's very telling.

 

[huey 2]

A different story Tip and Shaft

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​ © Alexis Courcoux ELODIE BONAFOUS, THE WARRIOR She was a singer like Lorie or a sailor like Ellen MacArthur! This is the future that Elodie Bonafous had imagined as a child in the middle of the posters of her idols on the walls of her room. As for sailing, she bit into it from an early age: "When the wind was strong, my father thought he wasn't going to take me sailing, but I went to get my boots and my wax and I hid in the trunk of his car." In high school in Brest, she combines studies and 420 without however "finding a crew member who has the same motivation", which pushes her to turn to the crew. J80, match-race, she federates around her all-female crews and becomes world university champion. She obtained her Master 2 in adapted physical activity and health and began working in a nursing home. But the call of the sea, and more particularly of Le Figaro takes over: "I followed the Solitaire du Figaro thoroughly in 2019, I told myself that my place was on the water and I left my job." That's good, because at the same time, the Bretagne-Crédit Mutuel de Bretagne training course, which saw the emergence of Cammas, Le Cléac'h, Gabart and others, created a specific path for women. Elodie Bonafous puts all the means on her side to prepare and wins the selection, becoming the first skipper Bretagne-CMB Océane. First Solitaire in 2020 at the age of 24 (25th), second the following year, with a 12th place at the key, which allows her to attract the attention of the Quéguiner group who chose her to succeed Tanguy Le Turquais. "My sponsor didn't choose me because I was a woman, but rather because I had proven my will and ability on the water." And he does not regret it, since on the Solitaire 2022, the sailor of the Bay of Morlaix becomes the second woman in history – and the first French woman – to climb on a stage podium. She also receives the prize for combativeness, which suits rather well the one who defines herself as "a warrior" when she is on the water. If she wonders about the merits of quotas which, on certain races, impose women on board, Elodie Bonafous recognizes that "it opens doors, it opened an incredible one for me with the Oceane sector". At 27, she begins her fourth season in Figaro with specific objectives: to finish in the top 5 major competitions of the year, the Transat Paprec in mixed doubles, which she will race with Martin Le Pape, and the Solitaire du Figaro. With, further, in a corner of the head the Vendée Globe 2028. History to walk in the footsteps of the one whose poster adorned the walls of her child's room ... Navigantes is hosted by Hélène Cougoule and produced by Tip & Shaft. Aired February 15, 2023 Générique: All the summer girls Post-production: Grégoire Levillain

 

[Fiji Bitter]

Nice article on Elodie Bonafous, but how the hell are the negotiations going between the various BP vs Clarisse parties?

Come on you froggies, something must be happening! Even if they are all tight lipped, we want to know just that, and the rumors of course...