Banque Populaire dropping ClaCla

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Fiji Bitter said:
Nice article on Elodie Bonafous, but how the hell are the negotiations going between the various BP vs Clarisse parties?

Come on you froggies, something must be happening! Even if they are all tight lipped, we want to know just that, and the rumors of course...
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I'm not sure if there is a direct french translation, but you can't unscramble an egg with haste.
 
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Fiji Bitter said:
Nice article on Elodie Bonafous, but how the hell are the negotiations going between the various BP vs Clarisse parties?

Come on you froggies, something must be happening! Even if they are all tight lipped, we want to know just that, and the rumors of course...
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That's last week story dude. Who cares anymore? It even wasn't a metter of weeks, but rather days, for the ''scandal'' to be forgotten. It clearly reflects in this thread too.

I'm courious how many Instagram wariors actually changed their bank, etc...
 
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M26 said:
That's last week story dude. Who cares anymore? It even wasn't a metter of weeks, but rather days, for the ''scandal'' to be forgotten. It clearly reflects in this thread too.

I'm courious how many Instagram wariors actually changed their bank, etc...
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I think you confuse posting with caring and otherwise acting on opinions formed. I am no different than other people in that I have formed opinions about various companies for various reasons over time and make purchase decisions based on same. Some that I will gladly do business with and others I will not under any circumstances. There is no point to endlessly post about it. Heck most - myself included - never even bother with a google other other review for a company to know why business went away. But that does not change the fact that based on these events I would not do business with BP given another option.
 
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TPG said:
BP just completely withdrew from the Vendee 2024
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Indeed :

www.ouest-france.fr

Vendée Globe. Coup de théâtre, Banque Populaire jette l’éponge pour 2024 !

L’affaire Clarisse Crémer aura donc eu des conséquences lourdes au sein du team Banque Populaire. Le sponsor a décidé tout simplement de retirer son projet Vendée Globe, initialement prévu pour la navigatrice avant qu’elle ne soit débarquée le 2 février dernier.
www.ouest-france.fr www.ouest-france.fr

Still a way for someone to "fetch" Apivia ?
 
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Yes it would be a huge disappointment not to see Clarisse compete in the next VG. It looks to me as if, where you have a high profile sailing project with a woman skipper the woman skipper needs a contract to give her the top executive management position over the project and the team for a defined minimum fully paid lump sum contract period which includes the next big race and the following 6 months. There are always huge risks in this sport, both physical and financial, for the skippers. No one else takes anything like the same risks, nor do they have the necessary skills and experience. Women in projects managed by men don't seem to have the right level of control, compensation or security, and they take all the big risks (and massive responsibility in crewed races) and secure all the best publicity for the sponsors.
The men at the top of team management all do nothing compared but they are the ones calling the shots.
 
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she blew her chance.. I'm not surprised.. it is same with the job "great" resignation recently in US.
M26 said:
Yeah, imagine now CC get some sponsor backup and actually qualify for the race. That would be karma right there!
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Some people fail to understand the business model. If you ruin a team and budget by doing something in the middle of the term that leads to the decline of the team. It was a selfish act. It is pretty easy to see the consequences of such an action. You could foresee that.

Karma :)
 
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Virgulino Ferreira said:

Imoca class skippers support Clarisse Crémer​

Pip Hare: “We still have a lot to do and Clarisse's case will only stimulate us”​

“I am shocked by the treatment reserved for Clarisse Crémer. During the last edition of the Vendée Globe, we had the largest number of competitors (six women were entered, NDR). Barely two years later, we find ourselves in a situation where the qualification criteria mean that a woman on maternity leave is considered too risky to qualify for the race. I am happy that my fellow skippers and the IMOCA class are taking this situation very seriously.

I love this sport because men and women compete on equal footing, but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. I thought we had made enough progress as sailors – and as female athletes in general – to be accepted and take our place at the top of the board. I was wrong. We still have a lot to do and Clarisse's case will only stimulate us. »

Sam Davies: “I will do my best so that women can pursue their goals”​


“I am a wife, mother and skipper. Sponsors who support mums/skippers exist. I will do my best within the Imoca class so that women can pursue their goals and that sponsors no longer hesitate to support them. »

Conrad Colman: “I am disappointed that Banque Populaire did not have the courage to support an extremely talented sailor”​

“I support Clarisse. I am disappointed that Banque Populaire did not have the courage to support an extremely talented sailor who did a lot to rehabilitate their image four years ago. The hunt for qualifying miles is tight for anyone preparing for the Vendée Globe, but Clarisse had everything to succeed. Entry is not guaranteed for anyone, it is earned. But it's a shame that a sponsor, let alone such an experienced sponsor, would take away the chance to qualify because she wanted a family in addition to a profession.

I hope all this bad press highlights the injustice of the situation and forces the sponsor, the IMOCA class and the Vendée Globe to find a solution for Clarisse, and also to avoid future problems. We have a wonderful sport where women and men race in the same conditions on the water. Let us work sincerely to ensure that the structure of our sport allows for the same equality on land. For reference, the people who made these rules have kids and careers, let's work so athletes can too. »

Alexia Barrier: "It was precisely the time to show the example of a young mother who is once again embarking on the Vendée Globe"​


“I am of course very disappointed but not really surprised or shocked. Such mishaps happen daily to many women on this planet. It was precisely the moment to show the example of a young mother who is once again embarking on the Vendée Globe. It's all the most disappointing since Clarisse's participation in the 2020 edition with a big sponsor had sent a positive signal because ultimately, few women have the financial means to win in ocean racing. Often, we have budgets to participate and not to perform.
Even a project that has everything to please like that of Clarisse does not manage to exist. It's a bad signal for diversity and sport in general. However, we have plenty of examples of athletes who have become mothers and who have won, for example Laure Manaudou or Charline Picon. Maybe we don't know everything, but in any case it's very clumsy on the part of Clarisse's sponsor, and super disappointing. »

Eric Bellion: “We need women”​


“I still can't get over Banque Populaire's crazy decision. How could they part with Clarisse? It's not the first time that a skipper has been dropped by his sponsor in our profession and it certainly won't be the last. That's the game. The reasons are often related to a difference of vision or a lack of results. But how in 2023 to separate from your browser on the pretext of her maternity? It's revolting. I am 100% with Clarisse. I am also 100% with the organization of the Vendée Globe. The sponsor cannot, in my opinion, blame the rules for justifying its lack of solidarity with a member of its team. It's his choice as he assumes it!Incidentally what a great story BP could have told supporting Clarisse through thick and thin while provoking constructive debate in the offshore racing world. Let's move on...

The Vendée Globe rules are not perfect and are meant to be changed. We have all understood that we absolutely have to improve. We are one of the sports that conveys the most "human". We must therefore be irreproachable and even precursors in the way we treat the women and men of our adventures.

So, let's work with Clarisse to help her as much as possible now and change our rules tomorrow so that more women join us. But also so that young dads can take better care of their babies. And let's go even further by adapting the itinerary of foreign skippers so that they can join us in large numbers. We need different skipper profiles to continue to innovate and make people dream. This work is already underway in offshore racing and we need to accelerate. It is an exciting challenge to achieve together. »

Alan Roura: "We are losing an incredible representative of female talent that we want to promote and develop in the future"​


“I am still in shock. Like everyone else, I am very disappointed for Clarisse whom I fully support, and in total incomprehension. As a young dad, I myself missed races and ran others leaving my daughter on the ground, very young, without this having any impact on my career. I therefore have great difficulty in understanding the choice of its sponsor, which seems quite simply unfair to me, but also totally out of step with current societal issues.
This discrimination of women, voluntary or not, direct or indirect, is untenable and must continue to be at the heart of the debates in our sport, and more broadly in our society. Sailing, ocean racing and the IMOCA Globe Series class aim to convey values and actions in favor of diversity and inclusion. However, we are losing an incredible representative of female talent that we want to promote and develop in the future. This is really not the message we want to convey to the younger generations.

I am also sad and angry that it had to come to this for the debate to start and for things to change. It is up to us to finally wake up and ensure that his situation is taken into account and brings about changes for the future. »
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Well this has backfired nicely for them.
 
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Sure Mad, its backfired deservedly on BP, but that takes the focus of the real guilty party, the person who decided on adding up ocean miles in a contest to secure a place on the start line. Women in the prime competeing age group i.e. from 25 to 45 years (5 VG race intervals) old are in the available 20 years at prime childbearing age range during which an average woman has 2 kids. In any two of the 5 race intervals the average woman has one child taking at least 1 year of the 4 out for totting up miles. A male competitor does not face an equal time availability issue.
This is a mathematically demonstrable handicap only affects women, and simply because they are "normal biological women". It is fundamentally unfair.

Why are there not an equal number of 20 start line places reserved for men and for women? If either group of 20 is oversubscribed devise a contest for those in oversubscribed groups, which disadvantages neither sex and takes place out of Les Sables during the 2 week period running up to the VG start.

Ocean racing has always been a bastion of misogyny. If you want to keep women down first fix the rules against them and if that doesn't keep them in their place, appoint men as managers over them! Works a treat.
 
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