Banque Populaire dropping ClaCla

[loneshark64]

Sure Mad, its backfired deservedly on BP, but that takes the focus of the real guilty party, the person who decided on adding up ocean miles in a contest to secure a place on the start line. Women in the prime competeing age group i.e. from 25 to 45 years (5 VG race intervals) old are in the available 20 years at prime childbearing age range during which an average woman has 2 kids. In any two of the 5 race intervals the average woman has one child taking at least 1 year of the 4 out for totting up miles. A male competitor does not face an equal time availability issue.
This is a mathematically demonstrable handicap only affects women, and simply because they are "normal biological women". It is fundamentally unfair.

Why are there not an equal number of 20 start line places reserved for men and for women? If either group of 20 is oversubscribed devise a contest for those in oversubscribed groups, which disadvantages neither sex and takes place out of Les Sables during the 2 week period running up to the VG start.

Ocean racing has always been a bastion of misogyny. If you want to keep women down first fix the rules against them and if that doesn't keep them in their place, appoint men as managers over them! Works a treat.

Reserving places for women would be bad. One of the great things about how this event was going was it was competition between men and women on an even playing field. Not like the OR where they are forced to have a woman, or the AC where women will race on a separate little girls and kids boat. One of the great things about seeing Isabelle and Pip compete is there has been no accommodation for gender. They just have to climb the fucking mountain. Now BP has fucked that up. If they start reserving places for women it will be all kinds of other reservations down the road.

 

[shebeen]

That's last week story dude. Who cares anymore? It even wasn't a metter of weeks, but rather days, for the ''scandal'' to be forgotten. It clearly reflects in this thread too.

I'm courious how many Instagram wariors actually changed their bank, etc...

This comment aged well!


Hope there is a way for her to get a ride,

 

[staysail]

Reserving places for women would be bad. One of the great things about how this event was going was it was competition between men and women on an even playing field. Not like the OR where they are forced to have a woman, or the AC where women will race on a separate little girls and kids boat. One of the great things about seeing Isabelle and Pip compete is there has been no accommodation for gender. They just have to climb the fucking mountain. Now BP has fucked that up. If they start reserving places for women it will be all kinds of other reservations down the road.

What could be more equal than reserving twenty places for men and twenty places for women?

The present "race to the start line" positively discriminates against women (for those of us who can still tell the difference between a man and a woman!).

There is no accommodation for gender in the real VG race itself, so why now does the organizer introduce a discriminatory rule which has the effect of kicking real women off the start line when it doesn't affect men in the same way?

Simple answer, it's called misogyny. Not something new to ocean racing. It's not BP which f....d up. Its the organizer. Its in the very marrow in the bones of the sport itself.

 

[M26]

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Hope there is a way for her to get a ride,

Yeah, it sure did

It would be movie material if she managed to qualif and put a good result on top of that!

 

[yl75]

Good Sam Davies interview on the subject :

Samantha Davies suite à l'affaire Clarisse Crémer : "Je vais tout faire pour que cela évolue" - Eurosport

L'éviction de Clarisse Clemer après sa maternité, par son sponsor Banque Populaire, a secoué le monde de la course au large.

www.eurosport.fr

(btw, for me Sam invented during her first VG aboard "roxy", the type of video that CC was trying to mimick in her mini campaign, but I am biased and not a CC fan at all, that is also true)

 

[ttc546]

Does this mean Avivia (1) is now vacant? (I think that was to be her ride? The IMOCA's have been playing musical chairs these last year or 2 ;-) ) I am not clear who owns it now

 

[JonRowe]

Does this mean Avivia (1) is now vacant? (I think that was to be her ride? The IMOCA's have been playing musical chairs these last year or 2 ;-) ) I am not clear who owns it now

Its owned by Banque Populaire, so it depends if them sitting out a VG cycle means they sell it... They could also choose to charter it out, or to start a 2028 selection programme with the boat.

 

[huey 2]

From the new Seahorse magazine​

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Building on success​

The number of female skippers in the latest Rhum has raised the bar for shorthanded oceanic events. No one has yet matched the late Florence Arthaud’s overall win in 1990 but the queue in her mirrors is growing...
In the most recent Route du Rhum there were seven female skippers, four of them in the Imoca class. Of the four female Imoca skippers in this iconic solo ocean race, three finished in the top half of their fleet, with two finishing in top 10.
The Imoca class has proven time and time again that a woman can compete well against a man – and win, in the case of Ellen MacArthur’s record-setting 2002 Route du Rhum. If a solo woman can handle such a beast of a machine and perform well, why are women absent from other classes? Is it the design of the boats that is not conducive for female physique or abilities, or is it that the community in certain classes is not welcoming to women?
In the Imoca class there is not only a growing number of women competing, but also behind the scenes and in management roles. During the Route du Rhum more than half the Imoca team managers were women – a great milestone in equity for the class. Imoca focuses on social sustainability in addition to the usual environmental elements. More involvement from women and other underrepresented groups is part of Imoca’s overall sustainability strategy, and it has instituted programmes to encourage them.
One such programme was a collaboration at the Route du Rhum Race village in St. Malo between Imoca and The Magenta Project, an international non-profit that supports the development of female careers in professional sailing via mentoring, networking and skill-building. Imoca matched seven women from The Magenta Project’s global network with seven Imoca teams for an exclusive race-prep experience.
Main picture: Jane Millman, Magenta Mentor, assists Team DMG Mori as part of The Magenta Project Imoca raceprep week experience at the 2022 Route du Rhum in St Malo
For the week leading up to race start, these Magenta women worked with the Imoca teams in preparation for the Route du Rhum, from electronics and rigging projects to hospitality and sponsor engagement. One lucky woman, Maite Fernandez Alonso, joined Imoca Fives Lantana team for their delivery to St Malo, gaining hands-on experience for sailing and preparing an Imoca, which was great exposure for the Class40 campaign she is pursuing.
Of the seven women in the Route du Rhum programme, more than half had not previously considered a career in Imoca racing, but are now considering it as a potential career path. Participants Jane Millman and Lindsay Gimple from the USA, a nation that is underrepresented in the Imoca class, share the same ambition: ‘One career goal is to manage an Imoca team someday and this directly helped that in terms of networking, operations, and technical side of things,’ says Jane Millman, director of US Naval Academy Sailing and a Magenta mentor.
To further help internationalise a very French-dominated class, Imoca legend Alex Thomson leveraged his new Canada Ocean Racing Imoca campaign to offer a skill-building session for North American women last September in Toronto, Canada. In that programme, eight women from The Magenta Project’s North American network joined the Imoca team for a two-day event, including a technical tour, splicing lessons, a sailing session with Thomson and workshops on personal branding and weather with Magenta mentors. One of the participants, Erica Lush, is now a permanent member of the Canada Ocean Racing team.
‘On gender diversity, I think we all have a role to play. Imoca’s role is to be able to promote projects like Magenta to help them grow, to create links between the teams and to promote the profiles of future female sailors and on shoreside teams,’ says Claire Vayer, head of Sustainability & Partnerships for Imoca. ‘This first collaboration is a real success and it’s the first stone in the building. I hope to make this collaboration grow and evolve by imagining new projects with Magenta very quickly.’
Imoca and The Magenta Project are already making plans for further collaborations in 2023, including a similar programme to the Route du Rhum for the Transat Jacques Vabre Race. If any class, race organisation or team would like to explore similar collaborative programmes to advance women in our sport, please reach out to The Magenta Project at to discuss.
Click here for more information on The Magenta Project »

 

[staysail]

So Anarchists, what's your take on the Seahorse article?
Did nothing for me!
How does Seahorse explain what happened to CC if everything in the garden is so hunky dory?
Was the article written by a man?

 

[Monkey]

So Anarchists, what's your take on the Seahorse article?
Did nothing for me!
How does Seahorse explain what happened to CC if everything in the garden is so hunky dory?
Was the article written by a man?

Get over yourself buddy. Aside from your idiotic ideas for the IMOCA fleet, you’re getting a bit repetitive. We get it. You think women are less capable than men and need silly rules to cater to them.

The rest of us think the women sailing IMOCAS are bad ass and don’t need pandering. They are rock stars who fought their way to the top on a level playing field.

 

[staysail]

Get over yourself buddy. Aside from your idiotic ideas for the IMOCA fleet, you’re getting a bit repetitive. We get it. You think women are less capable than men and need silly rules to cater to them.

The rest of us think the women sailing IMOCAS are bad ass and don’t need pandering. They are rock stars who fought their way to the top on a level playing field.

Sure the IMOCO women are bad ass. The playing field is an uphill one for them. You hadn't noticed?

 

[sunseeker]

Ethics.

It's her discision to take a child. Makes her not a top atleet.
It's heavy to carry and give birth to a child.

In the end she wouldn't have missed for the the rest of the world.
A child wish is stronger than winning the vendee globe.
Makes her human.

You are a fucking idiot.

I know a member of your club. He describes you as a mild annoyance.

 

[wonderbrom]

sure, that's what I always claim too if I don't agree with anonymous internet yobos.

 

[Monkey]

Sure the IMOCO women are bad ass. The playing field is an uphill one for them. You hadn't noticed?

It’s an uphill battle for everyone you muppet!

 

[eastern motors]

They should just have a second start one hour later (penalty hour) and no berth for boats that don't do the sea miles.

 

[staysail]

It’s an uphill battle for everyone you muppet

It’s an uphill battle for everyone you muppet!

So, wise one, you tell us why Clarisse got flicked? Nothing to do with her being a woman of course?

 

[troll99]

If you fail to attend in time to complete the requirements of the project, everything fails. It applies every employee or part-time project worker.

The rules of IMOCA were known a long time ago for the fairness of the sport. Whatever you do in your life, is your personal decision and you have to take the consequences as it affects everyone else.

Apparently, it won't work for commies and lefties who live in their ideologies.

 

[ttc546]

If you fail to attend in time to complete the requirements of the project, everything fails. It applies every employee or part-time project worker.

The rules of IMOCA were known a long time ago for the fairness of the sport. Whatever you do in your life, is your personal decision and you have to take the consequences as it affects everyone else.

Apparently, it won't work for commies and lefties who live in their ideologies.

And, there, in a nutshell, is the dinosaur chauvinistic viewpoint of someone not understanding the bigger picture. No wonder women hate us men sometimes

 

[staysail]

If you fail to attend in time to complete the requirements of the project, everything fails. It applies every employee or part-time project worker.

The rules of IMOCA were known a long time ago for the fairness of the sport. Whatever you do in your life, is your personal decision and you have to take the consequences as it affects everyone else.

Apparently, it won't work for commies and lefties who live in their ideologies.

Assuming you are a bloke, why not put on a blonde wig and a frock and see if BP will sign you up as girl skipper? At least they wont have to worry about you getting pregnant.

 

[Monkey]

So, wise one, you tell us why Clarisse got flicked? Nothing to do with her being a woman of course?

She got flicked because Banque Pop made a really bad decision. That had nothing to do with the Vendée being “unfair.”