Banque Populaire dropping ClaCla

[IPLore]

My wife is French and I've lived in the country roughly half of the last 10 years. Based on my experience I'd say people should not be surprised. In terms of respect for professional women France is very much in the dark ages

I have had a different experience. In a decade representing a large US multinational beverage company with extensive interests in Europe, the French law firms were oft represented by searingly brilliant women.

Not that it is relevant but their style and charisma was also exceptional.

 

[symbio2]

Very factual and informative article about the miles race for the V.G.2024, it's in french but you have at the top of the page some flags which are to click to instantly auto-translate the whole page through google.

 

[yl75]

Mich Desj position on the subject :

Vendée Globe : Pourquoi Desjoyaux défend Banque Populaire après l’éviction de Crémer post-maternité

VIDEO - Double vainqueur du Vendée Globe (2001, 2009), Michel Desjoyaux comprend le choix très contesté de Banque Populaire de ne pas retenir Clarisse Crémer pour l’édition 2024 de la célèbre transat en solitaire. Première skippeuse du Vendée en 2021 (elle a terminé 12e), Clarisse Crémer a été...

rmcsport.bfmtv.com

I'm basically fully aligned

 

[IPLore]

Mich Desj position on the subject :

Vendée Globe : Pourquoi Desjoyaux défend Banque Populaire après l’éviction de Crémer post-maternité

VIDEO - Double vainqueur du Vendée Globe (2001, 2009), Michel Desjoyaux comprend le choix très contesté de Banque Populaire de ne pas retenir Clarisse Crémer pour l’édition 2024 de la célèbre transat en solitaire. Première skippeuse du Vendée en 2021 (elle a terminé 12e), Clarisse Crémer a été...

rmcsport.bfmtv.com

I'm basically fully aligned

Clearly anything that Desjoyaux has to say on the subject is worth listening to.
For those of us who do not speak French, please give us a short summary as to why he supports BP's decision.

 

[yl75]

Clearly anything that Desjoyaux has to say on the subject is worth listening to.
For those of us who do not speak French, please give us a short summary as to why he supports BP's decision.

Basically he is saying :
-The rules we set and defned
-CC has very little chance to qualify (if any)
-So if she isn't qualified in June 2024, that's the whole program budget thrown away for BP
-Also saying : Ok the qualif rules might be changed slightly for next time according to this case, but you don't change the rules once the event (and qualif period) is on going, and there is nothing "mysoginist in that".
-Also reminding that when BP chose CC, it was a lot because of her being a young female and promising sailor, but that on sports curiculum basis only, she was clearly not the best candidate, male or female
Edit : he also says at some point that he knows BP has had discussions with the VG organisation and CC, and that this decision does not come out of the blue

 

[staysail]

If the struggle to qualify to enter the event starts to get more difficult than sailing the race and when ever-changing "rules" start forcing out publicly regarded celebrity skippers, maybe its time to look more critically at the organization of the event itself. This CC affair is for sure not winning hearts and minds.

 

[staysail]

Clearly anything that Desjoyaux has to say on the subject is worth listening to.
For those of us who do not speak French, please give us a short summary as to why he supports BP's decision.

The body language in Mich's piece for BFM TV perhaps conveys more than the spoken words. The classics "Gallic shrug", blinking eyes.

 

[wildbirdtoo]

I hardly think its "ever changing" rules- these were published in 2021. BP will have known about them and were notified by Clarisse of the maternity timescale about a year ago. So why throw her out now? She has ample chance of doing the three specific transat qualifying races,and there are several other races which will accrue IMOCAS "miles". Will over 40 skippers manage to reach the starting line with intact boats and intact funding? Who knows!

I guess the issue now is whether they can find another skipper who already has qualifying miles (and who is willing to take on this poisoned chalice). He or She will still have to do the three qualifying races, as would Clarisse. If they substitute her with a skipper without any IMOCA miles, then the shit will really hit the fan!

 

[tane]

What makes you obliged to say this? Are you somehow responsible for her actions and choices? Are you her life coach or adviser?

The question of what is more important is hers to make.

...so you are saying whatever parents do or don't with/to their child is nobodies business, right?

 

[tane]

This is Lizzie Deignan.
2015 women's road cycling world champion.

Had a daughter in 2018.
Won the Women's Tour in 2019.
This her now pregnant with her second child.

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You know nothing about ethics, women athletes or what modern female sports should look like.

So...

You're a talker.

clever comparison, clever: for how long is a top cyclist away from her child?...& a VG competitor?
clever comparison, clever...

 

[Roleur]

There is a BP 12 IMOCA signed up for Fastnet this summer. Skipper - Erwan Steff. Is that the ex-Apivia boat?

 

[Matagi]

clever comparison, clever: for how long is a top cyclist away from her child?...& a VG competitor?
clever comparison, clever...

Dads can be good parents too, you know?
[pause]
Oh, I see...

 

[jimmy_81]

clever comparison, clever: for how long is a top cyclist away from her child?...& a VG competitor?
clever comparison, clever

I would ask if you make the same complaints about male VG competitors who have children. But I’m pretty sure I already know the answer… 🙄

 

[yl75]

I hardly think its "ever changing" rules- these were published in 2021. BP will have known about them and were notified by Clarisse of the maternity timescale about a year ago. So why throw her out now? She has ample chance of doing the three specific transat qualifying races,and there are several other races which will accrue IMOCAS "miles". Will over 40 skippers manage to reach the starting line with intact boats and intact funding? Who knows!

I guess the issue now is whether they can find another skipper who already has qualifying miles (and who is willing to take on this poisoned chalice). He or She will still have to do the three qualifying races, as would Clarisse. If they substitute her with a skipper without any IMOCA miles, then the shit will really hit the fan!

I guess she(they) have been a bit late in the "baby planning" (on which nobody is to be blamed of course ...).
Her child is born during the last RdR (4 days before the father arrival), if it had been 3 or 4 months before, she probably would have been able to compete, and this would have made a big difference in points, being a solo race, also why didn't she do the first races of the qualif period ? forgot

As to another skipper, clearly several are possible

 

[Jambalaya]

I have had a different experience. In a decade representing a large US multinational beverage company with extensive interests in Europe, the French law firms were oft represented by searingly brilliant women.

Not that it is relevant but their style and charisma was also exceptional.

I have had a different experience. In a decade representing a large US multinational beverage company with extensive interests in Europe, the French law firms were oft represented by searingly brilliant women.

Not that it is relevant but their style and charisma was also exceptional.

I'm not doubting the talents of the women my wife included. She refused to work for French companies due to their rampant sexism and worked instead for a US Bank in Paris.

I kept my J105 in France for 3 seasons and liked to sail with a mixed French crew (as I did when I was in UK). Their sexism was obvious there too, more than once some of the male crew members suggested it would be a more competitive boat if there were no women !

 

[Fiji Bitter]

J105, I see...

Oh, and I feel sorry for your wife.

 

[furler49]

There will not be 40 boats on the start line. It’s not hard to see. Many struggling with funding at the moment and the economic shit show that is Europe at the moment isn’t making life any easier. Clarisse would have been on the start line.

That’s the bit I don’t get. If they fell out, call it out for what it is. If not, Clarisse can expect a large discrimination pay out and perhaps pay for her partners (unfunded) Vendee globe campaign…

 

[Matagi]

more than once some of the male crew members suggested it would be a more competitive boat if there were no women !

And you fell for that lääme excüse for not bringing it 🤣🤣🤣

 

[Laurent]

Several people here have posted a comment in the vein of: "there won't be 40 boats at the start so her qualification miles deficit won't be a problem anyway".

How can you be sure about that? Banque Populaire has invested quite a bit on the boat, the team and this VG. As a business, can they let the fate of other competitors in their own qualification process decide whether BP is going to participate or not to the 2024 VG?

If Clarisse is so far behind in the qualification miles, and participating to all upcoming races will not get her above some of the other sailors on the qualification miles count, (because everybody else is going to sail those same races anyway), then they have a problem.

What I do not understand though, is:

why now?

If she annouced her pregnancy to her employer (which she did not have to, to her credit), they have known for months about what would be the situation at about right now. So why not make a decision as soon as they knew about the situation, and potentially have more time to find a replacement who could have sailed the RdR 2022, for instance.

With the existing qualification process, I wonder how many skippers can step in at this stage and end up with a better qualificaiton "time card" than what Clarisse could do.
If nobody else can get to the end of the qualification process in a better position than what Clarisse can mathematically obtain, then you are making that decision too late!!!

If NOBODY can mathematically get a better qualification results than Clarisse, then why drop her? As a management team, you were asleep at the wheel, and got caught in a situation that might get sour. But then, there is no way out, and it is better to ride it out, knowing that it may not pan out positively, rather than pull the skipper out, with all the bad PR, for a qualification results that could not get any better anyway with another skipper...

If someone can list whicch skipper could step in (despite the negative PR this is going to get) and achieve a better qualification results, I am interested...

 

[LeoV]

https://www.imoca.org/mediacenter/uploads/tableau_milles_vg_0112_fr4.pdf?version=5f196d1b

I see a couple of names... but will they step in...