Barcelona AC37

[floater]

It’s not complicated: at the national level, PP and socialists are more or less evenly matched. In order to stay in power, the socialists need the support of the locally strong Catalan autonomists/independentists

I appreciate your help here.

for some reason. politics just something I don't grok.

but if I'm catching on correctly. the central government in Madrid - although evenly split - had money to spend on a yacht race. and they spent it where it would politically buy them more action. I guess. 

 

[slug zitski]

While not offering opinions about what parties I might vote for, I find the subject interesting enough since it's mostly new to me and a I am curious about a wide variety of AC-related subjects.

Since the Barcelona decision is the big news lately, here's another article that describes the 'flavor' around how it (yes, surprisingly and at the last minute) came together. From Colau's occurrences irritate the PSC: "The mayor is out of focus, in a loop" (www-elconfidencial-com.translate.goog)

The presentation this week of the Copa de Vela América is another example of the divorce between commoners and socialists. Those of Ada Colau do not even want to hear about it, although it was presented to great fanfare by the mayor, accompanied by Collboni and the 'president' Pere Aragonès . Colau, they say, bite the bullet, because days before she still denied the event . "Nobody knows what she had to fight to get the Cup to come to Barcelona, because she was always opposed to it coming . The common people say that she is not their role model and they don't want events of this caliber ," he tells El Confidencial an internal source of the consistory.

But, although it was all the work of the PSC (the negotiations were led by Collboni himself, since it was the Economy area that took charge of the matter), in the end it turned out to be Ada Colau who scored the goal against the Barcelonans. "Barcelona is a candidate to host the Copa América de Vela 2024, the oldest international competition in the world and one of the most important, with a great media and economic impact," she published on her personal Telegram account before anyone else .

He related that after "weeks of talks, today I have met , accompanied by the deputy mayor Jordi Martí , with members of the organizing committee, headed by Grant Dalton ". She was the character that shortly before I did not want to know anything about. In reality, she dispensed with the government partner to capitalize on the matter and met, along with her trusted personal, with the organizers of the event, publishing two photos of the meeting on her account. She did not mention Jaume Collboni even once .

For insight into local controversy keep an eye on the Barcelona’s port authority . This organization is all powerful, it makes or breaks politicians , and controls the americas cup shoreside access 

https://www.portdebarcelona.cat/en/web/autoritat-portuaria/organizacion

The Spanish sailing forum may offer insights 

https://foro.latabernadelpuerto.com/showthread.php?t=196236

 

[Stingray~]

For insight into local controversy keep an eye on the Barcelona’s port authority . This organization is all powerful, it makes or breaks politicians , and controls the americas cup shoreside access 

https://www.portdebarcelona.cat/en/web/autoritat-portuaria/organizacion

a gtran of https://contentv5.portdebarcelona.cat/cntmng/gd/d/workspace/SpacesStore/d5206691-6a81-423f-81e3-918d2336aa37/220329_CopaAmerica.pdf

Barcelona, chosen venue for the 37th Copa América Vela • The Generalitat de Catalunya, Barcelona City Council, the Port of Barcelona and Barcelona & Partners, Barcelona Global's investment agency, are congratulated for having secured the right to host this world sporting event of great economic impact. • The public-private collaboration reflected in the candidacy, the quality of the infrastructure of the Port and the commitment of the Generalitat and the City Council, have contributed to gaining the headquarters in favor of Barcelona Barcelona has been designated as the venue for the 37th edition of the Copa América de Vela will be celebrated in 2024, as announced today in Barcelona by Grant Dalton, CEO of Emirates Team New Zealand (ETNZ). The Emirates Team New Zealand is the winning team in the latest edition of the America’s Sailing Cup, held in Auckland, New Zealand in 2021, and has the rights to organize the 37th edition of this world-leading event. Barcelona has been selected for the quality of the Port's facilities, the diversity of spaces intended for competition, the city's experience in hosting major sporting events, its hobby of water sports and its educational and leisure offer. The financial support of the institutions -Generalitat de Catalunya and Barcelona City Council-, i the contribution of a group of private investors, all of them led by Barcelona & Partners, the agency of Barcelona Global that has promoted and designed the candidacy, there have been others aspects that have tipped the scales in favor of Barcelona. The organizers of the 37th edition of the America's Sailing Cup have valued this collaboration public-private demonstrated in the candidacy, the infrastructures that Barcelona already has, and that will put in the run-up to the event, and the strength of the Barcelona brand. Press release PAGE 2 OF 3 Follow us on: Department of Communication. Press office. T +34 93 306 88 40 | [email protected] | www.portdebarcelona.cat 30.03.2022 The announcement of the designation of Barcelona as the venue for the 2024 America's Sailing Cup has been held in the city, whose institutions have given a very positive assessment to this decision, calling this "great news" for the city's profile and legacy. The President of the Generalitat, Pere Aragonès, explained that the celebration of the Copa América de Sailing in Barcelona is excellent news for the city and for the whole country: "It's an event historical sport, which has a great projection and international recognition, both from the point of view from an economic and tourist point of view ". Aragonés recalled that the Copa América de Vela" is not just a sporting activity of a few months, but an event that can generate a return of years and that it can leave a very important legacy for Catalonia ”. He has also been very pleased because, for for the first time, the Copa América will include a women's regatta in Barcelona. The mayor of the city, Ada Colau, has celebrated the election of Barcelona as the venue for the 37th edition of the America's Cup Sailing, the oldest international sporting event. "Great news!" exclaimed the mayor, who “should serve to promote the city in the world after the pandemic, to strengthen the Barcelona tradition of this sport in a seaside city and, in addition, to give a boost to the emerging sector of innovation and technology, linked to nautical. I want I would like to thank all the public and private institutions for their support and complicity in this project, ”he said added. The president of the Port of Barcelona, Damià Calvet, has made the Port Vell “available to the city and of the country to be able to celebrate an Copa America that projects Barcelona to the world and that has the innovation and sustainability as a flag ”. Calvet has stated that "we will take advantage of the infrastructure that already we have in the Port and we will put them at the service of the event, we will boost the economy and employment and we will make the America's Cup leave a lasting legacy. " Public-private collaboration The president of Barcelona Global, Aurora Catà, emphasized that Barcelona and the Copa América Vela share the core values of inclusion, diversity, sustainability, creativity and innovation. "The association of the Barcelona brand with the Copa América de Vela is a demonstration of all that it can be achieved with a public-private partnership. I am convinced that this union will be a guarantee of success in all aspects: economic, social, organizational and for the public ". Early estimates indicate that the Copa América will have an impact in Barcelona between $ 900 and $ 1 billion. The previous competition, held in Auckland ...

 

[Stingray~]

The Spanish sailing forum may offer insights 

https://foro.latabernadelpuerto.com/showthread.php?t=196236

gtran America's Cup in Barcelona - La Taberna del Puerto (foro-latabernadelpuerto-com.translate.goog)

 

[slug zitski]

I've no objection in theory to having the discussion but we are talking about the intersection of the politics of Barcelona city, Catalonia and Spain, plus the political parties involved, plus various business groups. I think the chances of anyone here correctly interpreting events are not very good. Presumably the author of that piece and the newspaper publishing it also have an agenda, which we don't understand.

There seems to be a reference in that piece to something I have been banging on about, which is why Barcelona is doing this when most local opinion considers the city over-touristed already i.e. "another example of the divorce between commoners and socialists"?

In Spain ports belong to the taxpayer , the port authorities job is to extract maximum revenue on their behalf

the are very powerful

past major corruption cases involving the various port authorities are legendary 

there is another Spanish water front publication that you find at all sailing clubs .. I can’t remember it’s name 

it always exposes the local issues , politics 

if my memory returns I will post a link 

 

[Stingray~]

it always exposes the local issues , politics 

Even the sailing forum link you posted includes some political talk.

The Host Venue Agreement could be interesting once posted. Hopefully the next version of ACE will be able to avoid much of it but I guess we'll see who runs what..

 

[slug zitski]

Even the sailing forum link you posted includes some political talk.

The Host Venue Agreement could be interesting once posted. Hopefully the next version of ACE will be able to avoid much of it but I guess we'll see who runs what..

Gee , local Spanish sailors talking about local politics and intrigue sounds normal to me

When I Go to club Nautico after work for a few beers …..plenty of gossip 

 

[sunseeker]

Interview with Luis Sáenz Mariscal

The impact of the Copa América, estimated at 40,000 jobs and 1,500 million (www-sport-es.translate.goog)

Its funny that this document has been making the rounds since San Diego 1992. You’d think with inflation they would have upped the cash number a bit, but whatevs. 

 

[Stingray~]

Its funny that this document has been making the rounds since San Diego 1992. You’d think with inflation they would have upped the cash number a bit, but whatevs. 

Yes, that interview is a bit shallow. Truth be told, it serves a lot of interests to vastly overhype the numbers to get whatever those interests want - that hasn't changed since '92

 

[Kiwing]

it baffles me how sailby thinks Auckland is going to throw a ticker tape parade for these guys.

I mean. perhaps I don't understand Kiwis. the most I've met we're also spectating at the AC. and a few others here and there. they seemed like pretty normal people. which means. no parades. definitely not. lol.

Be interesting if they win.  Winners are grinners?  Personally I'll be there with bells on.

 

[Stingray~]

Booked a refundable placeholder, there may be better spots to be found for 2 weeks. Not many are bookable this far in advance

 

[Stingray~]

yay.. 

 

[dogwatch]

Impressed you have booked but do we know the dates yet?

 

[Mambo Kings]

Gee , local Spanish sailors talking about local politics and intrigue sounds normal to me

When I Go to club Nautico after work for a few beers …..plenty of gossip 

Slug is spot on.

Everything is political in Spain. They thrive on it. Local politics most of all. If they cant find an issue they will create one.

One of the most renown yacht clubs in Spain, RCNP, host of Spain's Olympic regatta, the Trofeo Princess Sofia Regatta, host of the TP52 circuit at the Palma Vela, and host of the Cope Del Rey presented  to the winner by the King of Spain.....with facilities inside the port at Palma that any US club would be jealous of...but the operative phrase is "inside the port" which make them subject to the largest political power on the island......the Port Authority.  I dont know what the commodore did to piss off the head of the port authority but the consequences were dire.  https://www.majorcadailybulletin.com/news/local/2021/03/06/80415/mallorca-nautical-sector-real-club-nautico.html

I dont know whose daughter got rejected by which school, or whose son didnt get the right job......but somebody pissed off the wrong guy.

 

[badia420]

Hello to all, 

due to recent political posts here, let me offer some local insight:
Regarding AC venue
 The COMMONERS is not the common people, it a left (some asy extreme left) party that governs barcelona with coalition with the PSC (Socialist) as they do in the Spanish Governement. 
COLAU, the mayor is hard left and her party (els comuns) are nearly all against tourism, business and all other economic things... (nearly lost the mobile wold congress) BUT the socialist are not that stupid and want big events in Barcelona therfore the interes of COLLBONI, de vice-maior in the AC. In the end it has been mostly the private sector working with GD presenting a plan to city and catalan government that they could not say no to.

Regarding political situation, or internal affairs:
There has been a rising independentist % of the population, mainly due to wrongs from Spanish government over the years, though it is now at 50-50, 52% in the parlament, it is clear that the majority of the people of Catalonia want to vote in a referendum (80%), but Spain will never accept it. One it was done in 2017 in which a lot of people voted but a lot of people were also hit by spanish police... and was not recognized by Spain. Also all the organizers from Catalan government were sent to jail or exile.

Not that there is much commotion now in the real life of the people, just a lot of politics.

Slug next time you are around I am up for a Beer in nautico of Barcelona.

 

[shebeen]

Hello to all, 

due to recent political posts here, let me offer some local insight:
Regarding AC venue
 The COMMONERS is not the common people, it a left (some asy extreme left) party that governs barcelona with coalition with the PSC (Socialist) as they do in the Spanish Governement. 
COLAU, the mayor is hard left and her party (els comuns) are nearly all against tourism, business and all other economic things... (nearly lost the mobile wold congress) BUT the socialist are not that stupid and want big events in Barcelona therfore the interes of COLLBONI, de vice-maior in the AC. In the end it has been mostly the private sector working with GD presenting a plan to city and catalan government that they could not say no to.

Regarding political situation, or internal affairs:
There has been a rising independentist % of the population, mainly due to wrongs from Spanish government over the years, though it is now at 50-50, 52% in the parlament, it is clear that the majority of the people of Catalonia want to vote in a referendum (80%), but Spain will never accept it. One it was done in 2017 in which a lot of people voted but a lot of people were also hit by spanish police... and was not recognized by Spain. Also all the organizers from Catalan government were sent to jail or exile.

Not that there is much commotion now in the real life of the people, just a lot of politics.

Slug next time you are around I am up for a Beer in nautico of Barcelona.

We read about Valencia still paying off debt from 2007, is there a feeling that even though it is private money involved local people don't want this circus in town?

 

[mariantic]

French K-Challenge "expected" according to The Times today

Link...

 

[badia420]

We read about Valencia still paying off debt from 2007, is there a feeling that even though it is private money involved local people don't want this circus in town?

it is too soon to know exactly how the public opinion is, though there are lots of races here as someone posted, we do not have a great culture of sailing so majority of the population is not aware of the AC and what is it.

On top of that there is now excitement/controversy over the 2030 winter olympics and our possible candidacy

 

[chuso007]

Regarding political situation, or internal affairs:
There has been a rising independentist % of the population, mainly due to wrongs from Spanish government over the years, though it is now at 50-50, 52% in the parlament, it is clear that the majority of the people of Catalonia want to vote in a referendum (80%), but Spain will never accept it. One it was done in 2017 in which a lot of people voted but a lot of people were also hit by spanish police... and was not recognized by Spain. Also all the organizers from Catalan government were sent to jail or exile.

Not that there is much commotion now in the real life of the people, just a lot of politics.

Slug next time you are around I am up for a Beer in nautico of Barcelona.

The rising of independentism in Cataluña comes 99% from the political interests of the local governments since 1978. it's probably the biggest and most impressive project of social engineering in Europe's history.

If there's been any serious "wrong" from the Spanish government that has helped independentism it was done when the Election Law, that makes a nationalist vote account for 3 or 4 non-nationalist votes, was approved. This law has made most central governments, especially the current one,  hostages of those regions with nationalist parties.

The 2017 referendum was 100% illegal on every aspect, including the census and the vote count and only 40% of the voters actually voted. You want to be  independent? Do it according to what the Constitution says or try to change it.

I'll try avoid talking politics here as much as I can,  but I will definitely enjoy watching how you all discover Catalan politicians along the way...

 

[shebeen]

it is too soon to know exactly how the public opinion is, though there are lots of races here as someone posted, we do not have a great culture of sailing so majority of the population is not aware of the AC and what is it.

On top of that there is now excitement/controversy over the 2030 winter olympics and our possible candidacy

I thought Barcelona and the winter olympics was a joke, but Florida have an NHL ice hockey team so it is not a simple world we live in.

the plan is to host the indoor stuff in Barcelona, and the actual normal snow required things in andorra/courcheval.