Barcelona AC37
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Rennmaus
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slug zitski
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This is the internet
don’t respond to bottom feeders
Keep to the the thread topic
slug zitski
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People like you ruin forums
its a shame that moderators don’t eliminate people like you
slug zitski
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In AC36 Auckland's RNZYS planned a Super Yacht regatta. Maybe RFEV will do the same this time.
An SY regatta is not mentioned in the AC37 Protocol, but it may not have been in the AC36 too. ACE does reserve rights to charge for berthing rights for 'super yachts' but that is likely for the other kind..
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slug zitski
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Spain has a world class youth sailing program
It would be good to involve young Spanish sailors in the AC show so that they learn about high end regatta promotion and management
How on earth could the protocol have any influence on the superyachts? The owners would tell ACE to jam it up their arse sideways if they tried.
As for ACE charging for berthing rights, how would that work. Or does the city hand over all their dock space?
167149
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Maybe like with the influence on the WAC and YAC? But yes, maybe it is best to leave things like J Class orgs out of it.
Not sure about how dock space for berthing rights will work. It is mentioned at 48.1 (i)
Shit, that clause is one big pile of lawyers bills. Can understand them getting berthing as long as they belong to the city. Private, not so much.
As for associated services - what does that cover, or even mean. Anyone supplying any service to a superyacht gets to pay a tithe to ACE?
Just more money grabbing by the team with no home.
They may very well control provisioning on super yachts. It will depend on the deal with the various governments, if they have total control over access to super yacht berthing, then they may charge some sort of fee for bringing food and beverage into their facility, so to speak. Another concession that is never discussed is fuel sale. That’s a nice contract for someone.
Have only transited through Barcelona airport, to busy to stop. I guess it will all depend on whether the berthing is city owned or private. If private it is most likely ACE will be told to go pound sand.
Sailbydate
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More on the Barcelona deal:
Paul Lewis, NZ Herald
"Inside Barcelona's wealthy America's Cup bid: New details of deal with Team New Zealand revealed".
Barcelona is thought to have lined up 25 wealthy citizens, each underwriting the 37th America's Cup regatta to the tune of a million euros, to help secure hosting rights. It shows how much ground Auckland and New Zealand had to make up to host the regatta and how much the Spanish city wanted the event, plus the advantage of a bigger country when it comes to hosting an event for which Team NZ has always budgeted $200m (for team and event).
Spanish media and yachting sources say the most remarkable factor is Spain's complicated political scene and that the three government bodies backing the bid normally disagree on pretty much everything. It's understood the money does not involve funds from Spain's central government – instead coming from the Catalan government, the provincial government, the Barcelona City Council and Barcelona Group, a collection of more than 200 leading companies, entrepreneurs, universities and others with a mission to make Barcelona one of the world's top cities.
The 25 backers are thought to be from Barcelona Group; they are acting as underwriters as the deal focuses on Barcelona's belief it can attract major sponsors – probably not misguided when Spain's Camper shoes and beer brand Estrella Damm have sponsored Team NZ in past America's Cups. However, the 25 will pick up any shortfall, it is believed, up to 1 million euro each (about NZ$1.5m). That probably puts into perspective the efforts by Mark Dunphy's Kiwi Home Defence movement, which talked a lot about available money for an Auckland defence but failed to produce it – apart from KHD's political manoeuvres which saw Team NZ say they wouldn't work with Dunphy anyway.
Politics are a constant part of Spain's social fabric, particularly in Barcelona – the heart of the Catalonia independence movement which dates back to the mid-19th century and which has gathered real pace in the 2000s. The issue is a vexed one, with real fervour in both camps. The anti-independence side insists the majority is against Catalonia splitting from Spain; the Spanish central government refuses to make binding any referendum on the subject. That is just one issue that complicates relations between the Catalan, provincial and city governments, with the city council headed by far-left mayor Ada Colau. She's been outspoken in the past about the negative effects of tourism – pre-pandemic, Barcelona was struggling to deal with 30 million tourists a year, with Airbnb and other factors combining to make city rents too expensive for many locals.
A far-left mayor seems most unlikely to team up with a yachting competition often derided as "rich boys' toys". However, what turned the mayor's and the council's heads was apparently that they felt the America's Cup fitted with their efforts to encourage higher-end tourism (and thus avoid the thronging crowd of low-yield visitors that have overrun the city previously).
The team's hydrogen-powered chase boats also appealed to the city's sustainability and environmental drive and the Women's America's Cup – another new development under Team NZ – also helped swing the deal, according to sources.
Now it remains to be seen where those pre-America's Cup regattas – to be raced in the AC40 foiling yachts – will be held. There is talk that some of the sites which missed out (Cork, Malaga and Jeddah) could be hosts, with Auckland also a possibility.
However, outgoing Mayor Phil Goff told RNZ that, if the Cup was not hosted here, Team NZ's current base in the Wynyard Quarter would be set back on a market rate: "We're not obviously going to provide rent-free base for a team that's taken the Cup out of New Zealand."
Paul Lewis, NZ Herald
"Inside Barcelona's wealthy America's Cup bid: New details of deal with Team New Zealand revealed".
Barcelona is thought to have lined up 25 wealthy citizens, each underwriting the 37th America's Cup regatta to the tune of a million euros, to help secure hosting rights. It shows how much ground Auckland and New Zealand had to make up to host the regatta and how much the Spanish city wanted the event, plus the advantage of a bigger country when it comes to hosting an event for which Team NZ has always budgeted $200m (for team and event).
Spanish media and yachting sources say the most remarkable factor is Spain's complicated political scene and that the three government bodies backing the bid normally disagree on pretty much everything. It's understood the money does not involve funds from Spain's central government – instead coming from the Catalan government, the provincial government, the Barcelona City Council and Barcelona Group, a collection of more than 200 leading companies, entrepreneurs, universities and others with a mission to make Barcelona one of the world's top cities.
The 25 backers are thought to be from Barcelona Group; they are acting as underwriters as the deal focuses on Barcelona's belief it can attract major sponsors – probably not misguided when Spain's Camper shoes and beer brand Estrella Damm have sponsored Team NZ in past America's Cups. However, the 25 will pick up any shortfall, it is believed, up to 1 million euro each (about NZ$1.5m). That probably puts into perspective the efforts by Mark Dunphy's Kiwi Home Defence movement, which talked a lot about available money for an Auckland defence but failed to produce it – apart from KHD's political manoeuvres which saw Team NZ say they wouldn't work with Dunphy anyway.
Politics are a constant part of Spain's social fabric, particularly in Barcelona – the heart of the Catalonia independence movement which dates back to the mid-19th century and which has gathered real pace in the 2000s. The issue is a vexed one, with real fervour in both camps. The anti-independence side insists the majority is against Catalonia splitting from Spain; the Spanish central government refuses to make binding any referendum on the subject. That is just one issue that complicates relations between the Catalan, provincial and city governments, with the city council headed by far-left mayor Ada Colau. She's been outspoken in the past about the negative effects of tourism – pre-pandemic, Barcelona was struggling to deal with 30 million tourists a year, with Airbnb and other factors combining to make city rents too expensive for many locals.
A far-left mayor seems most unlikely to team up with a yachting competition often derided as "rich boys' toys". However, what turned the mayor's and the council's heads was apparently that they felt the America's Cup fitted with their efforts to encourage higher-end tourism (and thus avoid the thronging crowd of low-yield visitors that have overrun the city previously).
The team's hydrogen-powered chase boats also appealed to the city's sustainability and environmental drive and the Women's America's Cup – another new development under Team NZ – also helped swing the deal, according to sources.
Now it remains to be seen where those pre-America's Cup regattas – to be raced in the AC40 foiling yachts – will be held. There is talk that some of the sites which missed out (Cork, Malaga and Jeddah) could be hosts, with Auckland also a possibility.
However, outgoing Mayor Phil Goff told RNZ that, if the Cup was not hosted here, Team NZ's current base in the Wynyard Quarter would be set back on a market rate: "We're not obviously going to provide rent-free base for a team that's taken the Cup out of New Zealand."
I guess flying all those teams and boats all round the world is some of the environmentally green parts of the event.
Maybe this is what the hydrogen boats are for, transport between venues...
chuso007
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Actually, I think they'd be happy to, the problem is that it's illegal and you'd have to change a fundamental part of the Constitution which requires:
- 2/3s of Congress and Senate vote to start the procedure
- New national elections
- New Constitution voted by 2/3s of the new Congress and Senate
- National referendum (not only in Cataluña)
Not happening...
A referendum could be done without changing the constitution, it is a matter of political will. But it will never happen so we can all relax...
slug zitski
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Yah , that is my understanding
many commenters on this thread don’t realize that Spain , and Europe are complex societies built up over thousands of years
Spain is complex . The Basques , Catalans , Galicia , Madrid .. they are all distinct cultures , languages , with strong identities
With the Catalan issue the Catalans separatists got carried away with there own rhetoric and the central government was uncompromising in its response
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