Beneteau First 40

Dino

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I see in the latest Seahorse that Andrew McIrvine, the Commodore of RORC, has taken delivery of a new First 40 and intends to be part of a UK CC team.

I checked the IRC ratings of the top two Sydney Hobart boats and they rate 1.085 and 1.088. Are these carrying overlapping Jibs or Non-overlapping?

I was just wondering if these guys are likely to squeeze the First 40 down to 1.074 or lower to fit into the small boat class. If they carry small jibs and play with weight and mainsail size they might fit in.

 

jonse

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IIRC the diff between the two boats was that the 1.088 boat had mast head spin. No idea on overlapping or not genoas though.

 

Romain

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I see in the latest Seahorse that Andrew McIrvine, the Commodore of RORC, has taken delivery of a new First 40 and intends to be part of a UK CC team.
I checked the IRC ratings of the top two Sydney Hobart boats and they rate 1.085 and 1.088. Are these carrying overlapping Jibs or Non-overlapping?

I was just wondering if these guys are likely to squeeze the First 40 down to 1.074 or lower to fit into the small boat class. If they carry small jibs and play with weight and mainsail size they might fit in.
They had non overlapping jig.

I dont think it is a good solution to squeeze underneath 1.074

 

SailRacer

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If a Beneteau races in the Commodores cup and Multihulls race the 33AC,

I will have seen alot...

Sail safe!

 

flatout

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Makes no sense to me to try and drop a First 40 down into the small boat class!

A 40-footer with a rating of +/- 1.180 or whatever sounds like a good boat for class 2........

 

Dino

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Yeah, but you could have another 40 footer in Class 2.

I'm sure with a bit more weight in the keel, a slice off the mainsail roach and a small jib you could squeeze in down to 1.074. It might be a bit sticky in the light stuff but it should go well above that.

You could end up with a team with a 40 footer sailing in each class.

 

flatout

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Yeah, but you could have another 40 footer in Class 2. I'm sure with a bit more weight in the keel, a slice off the mainsail roach and a small jib you could squeeze in down to 1.074. It might be a bit sticky in the light stuff but it should go well above that.

You could end up with a team with a 40 footer sailing in each class.

Point taken but there is no doubt a point where dropping TCC results in a boat growing a tail and barking around the race course!

 
Yeah, but you could have another 40 footer in Class 2. I'm sure with a bit more weight in the keel, a slice off the mainsail roach and a small jib you could squeeze in down to 1.074. It might be a bit sticky in the light stuff but it should go well above that.

You could end up with a team with a 40 footer sailing in each class.
I know we struggled big time in under ten knots on the king 40 with less sail area than is ideal (1.114 rating, as opposed to blondies 1.121 or Soozals 1.125ish) and I would say we have significantly less wetted surface, particularly at the back end, than a First 40. Must admit i have rarely seen a reduction in sail area work well....

short chop in the solent with a less than narrow bow could be painfullll

Having said all that I have sailed the first 40 in light airs and it seemed ok but we did not have much to measure against.....

 

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There was a 2 tick difference between 150% and 149.9%. Do a trial. Beneteau 40 should win alot of IRC races, I wonder how it would do against a Summit 40 or J122? Have they ever raced against each other under IRC?
Audi victoria week AKA Geelong week Australia

Race 1 35 mile passage race good breeze on the wind for 25 miles and 10 cracked sheets.

Races 2 to 6 W/L light to medium breeze. Two true is first 40 won S2H, Canute last King 40 out of Argentina , had good crewaboard

Audi Series Div 2

Hosted By Royal Geelong Yacht Club

PROVISIONAL RESULTS

Updated: 1/02/2010 18:34:48

Series Results [iRC Div2] up to Race 6 (Drops = 1) Place Ties Sail No Boat Name Skipper From Design Sers Score Race 6 Race 5 Race 4 Race 3 Race 2 Race 1

1 A85 CANUTE Peter Horn SASC King 40 8.0 3.0 1.0 [4.0] 1.0 1.0 2.0 / 1.118 irc

2 YC400 TWO TRUE Andrew Saies CYCSA Beneteau 10.0 1.0 [4.0] 1.0 3.0 2.0 3.0 /1.085 irc

3 B2 JUST A MINOR HICKUP Peter Coleman RBYC Hick 39 R/C 12.0 2.0 3.0 3.0 [4.0] 3.0 1.0 / 1.127 irc

4 R1121 EXECUTIVE DECISION Grant Botica RYCV Adams 10 19.0 4.0 2.0 5.0 2.0 6.0 [17.0]

5 R336 SWORDFISH TROMBONE Tim Olding RYCV MBD 36 27.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 5.0 4.0 [10.0]

6 MH20 THEPHILOSOPHERS CLUB Peter Sorensen MHYC Sydney 36cr 39.0 8.0 8.0 10.0 6.0 [11.0] 7.0

7 6785 AILERON Henk Welleman RPAYC Sydney 36CR 40.0 7.0 10.0 [11.0] 8.0 7.0 8.0

8 G105 MCKENZIE COMPOSITES Tony McKenzie RGYC Bull 9000 41.0 10.0 7.0 8.0 7.0 [20.0Q] 9.0

9 SM35 ABSOLUT Terry Hall SYC Archambault 35 45.0 [20.0C] 9.0 2.0 9.0 9.0 16.0

10 11407 PELAGIC MAGIC Hugh Torode RSYS 46.0 9.0 5.0 7.0 20.0C [20.0S] 5.0

11 SM3639 WIND SPEED Les Browne SYC Sydney 36CR 50.0 5.0 11.0 13.0 11.0 10.0 [15.0]

12 SM5985 INSX Marcus Sill SYC NSX 38 51.0 11.0 13.0 9.0 10.0 8.0 [13.0]

13 S14 GIENAH Rod Miller RMYS Seaquest RP36 58.0 14.0 12.0 14.0 12.0 [15.0] 6.0

14 SM424 BARNSTORMER Brian Barnes SYC Bavaria Match 42 61.0 15.0 [17.0] 15.0 15.0 5.0 11.0

15 SM4407 MUSKETEER Paul Jacka SYC Beneteau 447 64.5 [20.0C] 15.0 16.5 13.0 16.0 4.0

16 SM360 WILD SIDE Martin Vaughan SYC Sydney 36CR 65.0 12.0 14.0 12.0 [16.0] 13.0 14.0

17 R111 GODZILLA Tom Fowler RYCV Hick 31 71.5 13.0 16.0 16.5 14.0 12.0 [19.0]

18 H6336 THE BOOKMAKER Andrew Slagmolen HBYC Nortshore NSX36 77.0 16.0 18.0 [18.0] 17.0 14.0 12.0

19 B3607 MISTRESS Peter Hook RBYC Seaquest Yachts RP36 92.0 [20.0C] 19.0 19.0 19.0F 17.0 18.0

(Ties: S=Score R=Race B= Bettered. Penalties: A=ARB B=BFD C=DNC D=DNE E=ESP F=DNF G=RDG L=Late Entrant M=DGM N=ENP O=OCS P=Protest Q=DSQ R=RAF S=DNS U=DUT V=AVG X=EXC Z=ZFP Y=SCP #=NoData [x.y]=Discarded)

 
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Livia

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With a bull#$it hull factor of 9.1 for a boat designed in 2009 it does not matter what you do.

Jen and Mike you want to explain how a boat with that hull shape gets a HF of 9.1

Thats right it was issued by UNCL so it can't be reviewed

 
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Pleb

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Any one know how many First40's are on the Great Lakes, primarily Lake Ontario?
Check how many First 40's have snapped rigs and also check its performance against the 45. I personally think the 45 is a better boat. And by that i don't mean check "program" or "pro run boats". On IRC V's through the water with any given crew the 45 should be the go'er......

On and whats this about a Gift First 40 H.F?? haha

I personally think they handicapped then 35 out after the 34.7's half decent display..... wait.... does IRC have a human factor oh sorry they told us they don't........ or is this PHRF??

Flame away..

 




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