best new foiler for beginner?

Hello,

I am a small boat sailor in Mid-Coast Maine  and I want to try a small foiler. I  am considering a used Moth versus  WASZP versus UFO versus F101. Which has the best blend of portability and ability to deal with variable winds?  The winds are highly variable where I live and seaweed is also a pain so I like the idea of retractable foils (UFO). I am decent Laser sailor but new to foiling. Thanks for any advice..Matt in Mid-Coast Maine

 
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unfix8r

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Let's imagine for a moment that knew what the hell I was talking about when it comes to foiling. (I don't)

But as a dingy sailor, the UFO looks like it has all the benefits:  stability off the foils, retractability for easy launch,  a rig that isn't complicated, nor foils to cut you in half when you swing around/ fall/ move.   Its cheap in price, high in quality, and IMHO set to be the "people's foiler" that gets bandied around.  The goal is always to have other boats to compete against, and this one meets so many of the points that people are looking for, so... IMHO the UFO would be my choice for my next boat.  It also seems like a boat you could let someone borrow without fear of "breaking a twitchy thoroughbred"  to experience foiling, and buy one for themselves. 

 

Ross

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Never foiled, but I gotta admit if I were to start the UFO would have my ticket. I see it as the entry to foiling, the Laser of foiling if you will. Nice price point too, and less fragile I assume than a moth. 

 

ASA

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WASZP has over 120 boats in the USA already. Factory support and the ability to set the boat up in a beginner mode and then using the same platform go right through to high level racing mode and anything in between.

 

us7070

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if you can windsurf or kitesurf, you can foil for quite a bit less than the UFO

 

Charlie P Mayer

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Must consider how much wind you have.  Some foilers require more wind than others.

What do you want to do, just foil for fun or foil around a course in competition?

 
Imagine the fun of blasting along at 20 kts, hitting a huge patch of weed and then crashing into frigid water! Head to Florida and try a foiler where you can learn and enjoy in comfort. Happy Sailing.

 

teknologika

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It depends on a few factors 1. Available budget 2. Your body weight 3. Crushing or racing? 4. Your sailing experience and what types of boat you sail  5. Expected local conditions. 6. Local fleets. 7. So you care about one design or not.

Without knowing any of that, I would say try a UFO and see how you go. 

 

Roller Skates

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if you can windsurf or kitesurf, you can foil for quite a bit less than the UFO
Based on his comments....

The winds are highly variable where I live and seaweed is also a pain
Weeds and puffy breeze make the windfoil tough to get the hang of things. Sure the kite is easier, but clearing the foil still sucks. My experience learning to windfoil on an inland lake has been... well let's just say the fiberglass work is more frequent than I'd like. Cheaper yes, but only if you already own the sails and a capable board. and like swimming. :D

 
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kurio99

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A friend of mine has a Waszp.  My hat's off to him as he seems to have the patience of Job.  He spent 2 years bouncing around the bay without foiling for more than a couple of boat lengths at a time.  Spent the rest of the time swimming.  It was painful to watch, this coming from me, the most pathetic RS700 sailor on this side of the Atlantic.  I was hoping that the entry level foilers would be easier than this to sail. 

 

martin 'hoff

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A friend of mine has a Waszp.  My hat's off to him as he seems to have the patience of Job.  He spent 2 years bouncing around the bay without foiling for more than a couple of boat lengths at a time.  Spent the rest of the time swimming.  It was painful to watch, this coming from me, the most pathetic RS700 sailor on this side of the Atlantic.  I was hoping that the entry level foilers would be easier than this to sail. 
F101 (I understand) and UFOs are a lot easier to get started. No swimming between errors. Take off, crash, go again.

The other trick is to get at least 1 day of coaching. Professional coach, or mate who can foil.

Also, foilers are immensely finnicky with their setup, so when you're a newbie, you really need an experienced foiler to get the boat to the right settings. I lost 1 year because my Whisper settings we're not quite right. Again, a day with a mate or a coach will save you a year of hitting walls...

 
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The F101 is super easy to foil with. I also have a windsurfer with foils. That is a bit harder.

But both have in common that they dont like seaweed...

One advantage with the F101 is that you can bring a friend out and foil :)

 
I'll throw in another vote for the UFO.   If you are on the coast of Maine and sailing without a chase boat, you need something durable enough to get you home.  The UFO is far more capable when the wind dies, and can low ride surprisingly well in light air, even upwind.   It is also reasonably easy to clear the foils without getting in the water, although I'll admit it is still pretty irritating to catch seaweed often (true for any foiler).   

A friend test sailed the F101 and spoke highly of it.   I'd love to try it myself.   It looks like it is easily sailed by one person, but has the flexibility to take out another with a really flexible sail plan.  However, it is $25K, so it is 3X the cost of the UFO.   

 

HKG1203

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completely depends what you want to do with it. If you are new and want to get into racing, the Waszp is the way to go. It foiling tacks and gybes nicely and the relative losses in a tack are similar to a 29er hence the racing is really fantastic. The europeans this year had 100 boats and the worlds is predicted to have 200. The downside is it is harder to sail while off the foils because of the narrow hull.

If you have skiff or dinghy experience it really isn't that hard, the tramps have airbags which help keep you pointing the right way up and just remember you won't be able to move your weight or steer fast enough to keep the boat under you so you have to use the mainsheet. A bit of windward heel and you're off!

Therefore, if you want to start foiling to get into racing (personally i see this as the only option, sailing around by yourself is only fun for so long) then get a waszp. If you want to foil for the fun of foiling and aren't quite as experienced in dinghies the UFO is probably a good path.

My issue with the UFO is you can't tack it at any sort of respectable speed that would make racing them fun and when compared to the ease at which you can fully foiling tack a waszp with the new foil i don't really see the UFO as being in the discussion if racing is your ultimate goal.

I've done a bit of sailing in the waszp (worlds and euros) and found the atmosphere amazing and everyone is super willing to help out in getting you up to speed. Plus you end up with a really high quality fleet featuring 5 (at least) medalists from worlds and euros in the youth worlds classes (420, laser, 29er, nacra) and many other fantastic sailors in their own right. Admittedly the fleet isn't quite as large in the US as in Europe or Aus but they still got 20 something boats at the NAMs.

The F101 is too bulky and expensive in my opinion. There is also the foiling mantis to look at which may suit you depending on what you're looking for!

Some racing from the last day of the europeans:


 
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