Biden Gun Control

[veni vidi vici]

Gun lobby?
I am just a ham and egger citizen
2A is simple and clear
It’s purpose is becoming increasingly important and clear

 

[badlatitude]

It’s purpose is becoming increasingly important and clear

Care to expand your meaning?

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Gun lobby?
I am just a ham and egger citizen
2A is simple and clear
It’s purpose is becoming increasingly important and clear

You're talking to a Canadian who believes that the NRA is capable of time travel and mind control.

You're not expecting a reasoned response, are you?

 

[veni vidi vici]

Certainly not from a Communist Canadian

 

[Keith]

 

[Steam Flyer]

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And FOX News is not "the media" somehow?
I guess his 15 minutes of fame wasn't as great as he thought it would be.

 

[jocal505]

@veni vidi vici You need to source your Switzerland bullshit.

Gun utopias? Firearm access and ownership in Israel and Switzerland
Janet Rosenbaum
Author information ► Copyright and License information ►
The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at J Public Health Policy
Abstract
The 2011 attempted assassination of a US representative renewed the national gun control debate. Gun advocates claim that mass-casualty events are mitigated and deterred with three policies: (1) permissive gun laws, (2) widespread gun ownership, (3) encouragement of armed civilians who can intercept shooters, and cite Switzerland and Israel as exemplars.

We evaluate these claims with analysis of International Crime Victimization Survey (ICVS) data and translation of laws and original source material. Swiss and Israeli laws limit firearm ownership and require permit renewal 14 times annually. ICVS analysis finds that the US has more firearms per capita and per household than either country. Switzerland and Israel curtail off-duty soldiers firearm access to prevent firearm deaths. Suicide among soldiers decreased by 40% after the Israeli armys 2006 reforms. Compared with the US, Switzerland and Israel have lower gun ownership and stricter gun laws, and their policies discourage personal gun ownership.

Legal translations
Swiss gun laws were obtained from the Swiss consulate of Boston (420 Broadway, Cambridge, MA) in French and German languages and translated by the author. Israeli gun laws were obtained from the Israeli Ministry of the Interior website (moin.gov.il) in Hebrew language and translated by the author.

Results and discussion
Gun control laws
This section assesses gun control opponents’ claim that Switzerland and Israel have permissive gun control laws.
Gun control laws in Switzerland
The Swiss federal government requires gun permit applicants to demonstrate need for protection against a specific risk and pass weapons safety and firearm use regulation tests (Swiss code RS 514.54, ch. 6, art. 27 (1997)). Permit holders may own only one handgun for 6 months, after which they must renew their permit every 3 months (Swiss code RS 514.54, ch. 2, §1, art. 8 (1997))
Gun control laws in Israel
Contrary to gun advocates’ claims that Israel places few or no restrictions on gun ownership7-11, Israel rejects about 40% of gun permit applicants, more than any country in the western world21-23. Israel requires all guns to have an Interior Ministry permit24 and an identifying mark for tracing25, and limits which citizens may apply for a permit, based on their residence, occupation, or role in national defense (Table 1)26. Applicants are excluded if they take psychotropic drugs or have been arrested for drug use or domestic violence (even if not convicted), and must also pass a Hebrew language test26-28. Permit holders may own only one handgun and must renew their permit annually or whenever their residence, occupation, or national defense role changes26.

(...) Conclusions
Swiss and Israeli gun ownership is rare, regulated stringently such as by putting the burden of proof on permit applicants to demonstrate a specific need for a gun, and neither country encourages gun ownership. The extensive gun control in both countries do not prevent guns from being associated with violent deaths, but increased gun control in the Israeli army may have reduced gun suicide. The evidence from Switzerland and Israel seems to concur with the public health literature finding3.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267868/>

 

[veni vidi vici]

@veni vidi vici You need to source your Switzerland bullshit.

Gun utopias? Firearm access and ownership in Israel and Switzerland
Janet Rosenbaum
Author information ► Copyright and License information ►
The publisher's final edited version of this article is available at J Public Health Policy
Abstract
The 2011 attempted assassination of a US representative renewed the national gun control debate. Gun advocates claim that mass-casualty events are mitigated and deterred with three policies: (1) permissive gun laws, (2) widespread gun ownership, (3) encouragement of armed civilians who can intercept shooters, and cite Switzerland and Israel as exemplars.

We evaluate these claims with analysis of International Crime Victimization Survey (ICVS) data and translation of laws and original source material. Swiss and Israeli laws limit firearm ownership and require permit renewal 14 times annually. ICVS analysis finds that the US has more firearms per capita and per household than either country. Switzerland and Israel curtail off-duty soldiers firearm access to prevent firearm deaths. Suicide among soldiers decreased by 40% after the Israeli armys 2006 reforms. Compared with the US, Switzerland and Israel have lower gun ownership and stricter gun laws, and their policies discourage personal gun ownership.

Legal translations
Swiss gun laws were obtained from the Swiss consulate of Boston (420 Broadway, Cambridge, MA) in French and German languages and translated by the author. Israeli gun laws were obtained from the Israeli Ministry of the Interior website (moin.gov.il) in Hebrew language and translated by the author.

Results and discussion
Gun control laws
This section assesses gun control opponents’ claim that Switzerland and Israel have permissive gun control laws.
Gun control laws in Switzerland
The Swiss federal government requires gun permit applicants to demonstrate need for protection against a specific risk and pass weapons safety and firearm use regulation tests (Swiss code RS 514.54, ch. 6, art. 27 (1997)). Permit holders may own only one handgun for 6 months, after which they must renew their permit every 3 months (Swiss code RS 514.54, ch. 2, §1, art. 8 (1997))
Gun control laws in Israel
Contrary to gun advocates’ claims that Israel places few or no restrictions on gun ownership7-11, Israel rejects about 40% of gun permit applicants, more than any country in the western world21-23. Israel requires all guns to have an Interior Ministry permit24 and an identifying mark for tracing25, and limits which citizens may apply for a permit, based on their residence, occupation, or role in national defense (Table 1)26. Applicants are excluded if they take psychotropic drugs or have been arrested for drug use or domestic violence (even if not convicted), and must also pass a Hebrew language test26-28. Permit holders may own only one handgun and must renew their permit annually or whenever their residence, occupation, or national defense role changes26.

(...) Conclusions
Swiss and Israeli gun ownership is rare, regulated stringently such as by putting the burden of proof on permit applicants to demonstrate a specific need for a gun, and neither country encourages gun ownership. The extensive gun control in both countries do not prevent guns from being associated with violent deaths, but increased gun control in the Israeli army may have reduced gun suicide. The evidence from Switzerland and Israel seems to concur with the public health literature finding3.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3267868/>

Awww…. You shouldn’t have
2A

 

[3to1]

2A

shit weasel

 

[Olsonist]

@jocal505, I'm not sure about Swiss gun laws. They have a very high gun ownership rate, and a near universal conscription with military guns kept at home.

I lived/worked there and I was on a train chatting up a nurse once. Somehow the topic got onto guns and I talked about gun violence where I lived and she schooled me, pointing out that automatic weapons are VERY common in houses. Per capita gun violence in Switzerland is the highest in Europe (although paling in comparison to our carnage).

 

[jocal505]

Awww…. You shouldn’t have
2A

Where did you get your bunk info?

 

[pusslicker]

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Is your boy transitioning? @veni vidi vici

 

[pusslicker]

2A is simple and clear

A well regulated militia, right?

 

[jocal505]

@jocal505, I'm not sure about Swiss gun laws. They have a very high gun ownership rate, and a near universal conscription with military guns kept at home.

I lived/worked there and I was on a train chatting up a nurse once. Somehow the topic got onto guns and I talked about gun violence where I lived and she schooled me, pointing out that automatic weapons are VERY common in houses. Per capita gun violence in Switzerland is the highest in Europe (although paling in comparison to our carnage).

Your source says the gun ownership number is large there...yet also lays out that one in four in LE or military use. Two million private arms there, and that number is dwindling. The US had a 30% figure, and that figure rose.

In 2007, the Small Arms Survey found that Switzerland had the third-highest ratio of civilian firearms per 100 residents (46), outdone by only the US (89) and Yemen (55).​

But it seems that figure has dropped over the past decade. The University of Sydney now estimates that there's about one civilian gun for every three Swiss people.​

 

[badlatitude]

Also published on DeSatan news.

Writer giving DeSantis the middle finger​

Florida Republicans want unlicensed open carry.

They won't require the registration of guns, but they are going to require the state maintain a list of writers.

Tell me, which one Republicans think is REALLY dangerous? And why?

Me? I'm an ARMED writer. Come and get me, Ron. - Stonekettle tweet

 

[Keith]

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

A well regulated militia, right?

... to keep and carry arms wherever they went...


That's what it meant in 1860 before the silly ideas of indoor militias allowed to own only antique guns came into vogue.

 

[jocal505]

Stewart lasered in on the hypocrisy of “our loudest tough-on-crime advocates … trying to solve the problem with the problem.” And, on social media, millions of people reveled in his complete dismantling of Republican Oklahoma state Sen. Nathan Dahm’s illogical arguments about guns. Dahm is a Second Amendment poster boy: He has proposed a number of bills in the Oklahoma Senate to further relax gun restrictions and even authored the first anti-red-flag law in the country — red flag laws, remember, are intended to keep guns out of the hands of people deemed to be threats to themselves or others.


Sitting across from the former “Daily Show” host, Dahm rehashed the same tired arguments, including the rage-inducing claim that gun-related deaths are attributable to “fatherlessness” and “broken homes.” (This is classic misogynistic and racist language used against women who take care of themselves and their families.)

Dahm, like many conservatives, also leaned on the language of “protection.” They deploy it in pro-gun arguments, as well as in many other instances when they want to stoke public fear and rage — from their nonsense claims about wanting to “protect girls sports” by banning trans kids from participating on girls school teams to “protecting children” by banning books that recognize the existence of LGBTQ and Black people and their histories. Stewart made it a point to nail Dahm on the hypocrisy of drag show bans — which, in Dahm’s logic, are necessary to “protect children” — by emphasizing that the leading cause of child deaths isn’t drag queens. It’s guns.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Biden Unitary Executive Order

...President Biden is traveling to Monterey Park to exploit the families and community impacted by the politically convenient shooting

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Again and again, he has called for Congress to act, including by banning battlefield .22's and militia-suitable magazines, requiring background checks for all target practice, requiring safe storage of firearms, closing the dating violence restraining order loophole, and generally being cunts.
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Or something.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Biden is doing that Trump thing where he reinterprets laws to mean something new, resulting in him getting more power. This explains why TeamD types were/are so tolerant of Trump's usurpation of power: they want Biden to govern the authoritarian way too.

Biden's Plan To Unilaterally Expand Background Checks for Gun Buyers Is Legally and Logically Dubious

He wants to unilaterally redefine who is a gun "dealer" so that background checks can save us all from gun violence. The fact that Congress, not the President, has the power to rewrite those rules troubles him about as much as it did Trump, it seems. Authoritarians of a color...

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Vice President Kamala Harris pitched an even more ambitious idea when she ran against Biden for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination. Under her plan, a hobbyist or collector who sold five or more guns in a single year—one-tenth the cutoff considered under Obama—would have been required to obtain a federal license and conduct background checks. That proposal was plainly inconsistent with both the original and amended versions of the law.

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Assuming that the Biden administration can produce a rule that passes legal muster, would it be worth the effort? There are several reasons to think that expanding the background-check requirement would not produce the public safety benefits that Biden imagines.

As those skeptical ATF officials noted during the Obama administration, a wider definition of gun dealers "would be hard to enforce." These are, after all, private sales, which by their very nature are difficult to detect, especially if they involve just a few guns a year.

The evidence indicates that state laws requiring background checks for private sales, which in practice means they must be completed through federally licensed dealers, are widely flouted by gun owners who object to the added expense and inconvenience. It seems unrealistic to expect stronger compliance with a requirement that gun owners become federally licensed dealers before they are allowed to dispose of their property.

The president says he wants to prevent mass shootings. But mass shooters typically do not have disqualifying criminal or psychiatric records, meaning they would not be stymied by background checks. Many pass background checks before they commit their crimes, while others obtain guns from relatives. According to a National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, just 13 percent of the perpetrators obtained firearms through illegal transactions. Since those sales were already illegal, it is doubtful that additional restrictions would have made a difference.

Biden also aims to prevent "daily acts of gun violence." But ordinary criminals generally obtain firearms from informal sources, such as friends, acquaintances, relatives, and the "underground market," that are unlikely to be affected by new regulations. Unsurprisingly, a 2019 study found that California's 1991 expansion of background checks "was not associated with a net change in the firearm homicide rate over the ensuing 10 years."

When gun buyers are flagged by background checks, that does not necessarily mean they pose a threat to public safety. As defined by federal law, "prohibited persons" include millions of Americans with no histories of violence, such as cannabis consumers and other illegal drug users, people convicted of nonviolent felonies, and people who were subjected to involuntary psychiatric treatment but never deemed a threat to others.

Would-be gun buyers who fail background checks are rarely prosecuted for illegally trying to purchase a firearm. "These cases lack 'jury appeal' for various reasons," noted a 2004 report from the Justice Department's inspector general. One of those reasons: "The factors prohibiting someone from possessing a firearm may have been nonviolent or committed many years ago."

When unauthorized sales go through before background checks are completed because the allotted time has expired, the ATF often takes its time in retrieving those guns. The inspector general's report noted that ATF agents "did not consider most of the prohibited persons who had obtained guns to be dangerous and therefore did not consider it a priority to retrieve the firearm promptly."

Background checks, in short, do not pose a serious obstacle for mass murderers or run-of-the-mill thugs and usually flag people whom prosecutors and ATF agents do not view as dangerous. Naturally, Biden wants more of them.