Biden Gun Control

Pertinacious Tom

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given the utter lack of usefullness of a dogballs cal weapon to a militia, yeah, they should be banned.
But

the Israeli Army uses them for sniper weapons

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Operator armed with the Ruger ten/twenty two Suppressed sniper rifle during the Israeli-Palestinian clashes in the Occupied Territories, October 2000.

 
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jocal505

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Shootist Jeff said:
A paywall is what greets me.

I provided actual numbers, under FBI and CDC letterheads. Go ahead and admit when you are wrong ormyour sources are weak: 5.3/100k will bring you back to the real world. I join you in wanting it to go down.

But the gun problem is not suitably in remission.

 
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learningJ24

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Nearly 40,000 People Died From Guns in U.S. Last Year, Highest in 50 Years



More people died from firearm injuries in the United States last year than in any other year since at least 1968, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.


There were 39,773 gun deaths in 2017, up by more than 1,000 from the year before. Nearly two-thirds were suicides. It was the largest yearly total on record in the C.D.C.’s electronic database, which goes back 50 years, and reflects the sheer number of lives lost.

When adjusted for population size, the rate of gun deaths in 2017 also increased slightly to 12 deaths for every 100,000 people, up from 11.8 per 100,000 in 2016. By this measure, last year had the highest rate of firearm deaths since the mid-1990s, the data showed.

It was the third consecutive year that the rate of firearm deaths rose in the United States, after remaining relatively steady throughout the 2000s and the first part of this decade.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/gun-deaths.html



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/08/16/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/


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Happy

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It's simple. Ask all the gun owners to hand in all their guns and ammo. Then get them to come in for a 2-hour psych assessment (with possible follow-ups required), a 2-hour interview with some concerned officials, and bring at least three character witnesses who have known them for over 10 years. (One of whom has to a doctor, lawyer, banker, priest or law enforcement.)

If they pass that test, and pay a $500 tax per gun, they can have 'em back. Ammo would go up to about $60-$100 a round.

That would work, wouldn't it?

 

learningJ24

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Shootist Jeff said:
Sorry, but I’m not giving up my gunz because of a bunch of self-murdering quitters.  
Let's be honest, Jeff, you're not going to accept any form of gun control even if it was reasonable and saved lives.   You've stated over and over that your right to potentially shoot US military members or US law enforcement is more important than innocent lives. 

 

Pertinacious Tom

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There were 39,773 gun deaths in 2017, up by more than 1,000 from the year before. Nearly two-thirds were suicides.
Our self murderization rate continues to be pretty average compared to much more gungrabby countries.

Which part(s) of Biden's gun control plans do you think will save those lives? And what about the seldom-mentioned people who use some other means to kill themselves?

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Biden on banning ordinary handguns

While saying he supports the Second Amendment, Biden called the absolutist arguments of some gun-rights supporters “bizarre.” Noting people can’t own machine guns or bazookas, Biden said, “Why should we allow people to have military-style weapons including pistols with 9-mm bullets and can hold 10 or more rounds?”
Last I checked, there are a couple hundred thousand machine guns that are legally owned by rich people, the only kind of people who can afford them since Saint Ronald closed the registry in 1986. Not that there's anything regressive, racist, or troubling about rights that are only for the rich.

Despite the false premise, one answer to his question would be that having weapons that are useful in military or militia service is exactly what was intended by the all-important prefatory clause of the second amendment. Another would be, which militaries around the world actually use 9mm handguns with "large" magazines (meaning 10 rounds in some places, 7 in others, and 5 in others)?

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Biden joins Bloomberg in attacking noted NRA asset Bernie
 

..."I'm the only one who ever got it done nationally," Biden said in response to a question about why voters should trust him to tackle an alleged "gun crisis" in America. "I beat the NRA twice. I got assault weapons banned. I got magazines that could not hold more than 10 rounds, I got them eliminated."

Biden also noted his support for the Brady Act, which mandated a waiting period for firearm purchases and established the federal background check system.

This was all a wind-up for Biden's attack on Sanders, who he faulted for voting in favor of legislation that prevents gun makers from being sued should their products be used by third parties to commit crimes.

"My friend on my right and others have given into gun manufacturers absolute immunity," said Biden, before engaging in some characteristic rambling. "150 million people have been killed since 2007 when Bernie voted to exempt the gun manufacturers from liability. More than all the wars, including Vietnam."

There were a couple of things wrong with that statement. The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, to which Biden was referring, was passed in 2005, not 2007.

Even going by that earlier date, 150 million Americans (a little under half the country's current population) have not, in fact, been killed as a result of gun violence. Biden likely meant 150,000 people have been killed in gun homicides in the 15 years since Sanders' vote, which is roughly accurate.

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As usual with the Gaffe-O-Matic, the bolded part requires some interpretation of what he may have actually meant.

I assume he meant to say that he, all by his little self, "eliminated" magazines that could hold more than ten rounds, not "could not."

Even that would be false, since the ban he's talking about drew the line at 15 rounds, not ten. It also didn't cover ordinary .22's as the current proposal supported by the Presidential contenders does. It also did not include the cherished confiscation provision, so people were allowed to continue to own, buy, and sell their property. The fact that it was naughty caused me to buy an old aftermarket 30 round magazine with a worn out spring for my Glock during that time. Now that I can get a new one legally, it doesn't really interest me.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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Beto has endorsed Joe

and got this response.

Biden, taking the microphone after O'Rourke spoke, then announced, "I want to make something clear -- I'm gonna guarantee you, this is not the last you're seeing of this guy -- you're gonna take care of the gun problem with me, you're gonna be the one who leads this effort. I'm counting on you, I'm counting on you, we need you badly."
So I guess he also heard the roar from the debate crowd when Beto said, Hell yes we're going to take your (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).

 

jocal505

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The fact that it was naughty caused me to buy an old aftermarket 30 round magazine with a worn out spring for my Glock during that time. Now that I can get a new one legally, it doesn't really interest me.
You kinda need to choose one side or the other.

You have often hailed CCP types as more legally pure than the cops. But here you are extending yourself to be smarmy ...while breaking a law (and while coaching others to be felons). Hmmm, we have a pattern of lawbreaking (on top of an extended pattern of race-baiting).

You don't get to have it both ways. And when you fight the law, the law wins.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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You kinda need to choose one side or the other.

You have often hailed CCP types as more legally pure than the cops. But here you are extending yourself to be smarmy ...while breaking a law (and while coaching others to be felons). Hmmm, we have a pattern of lawbreaking (on top of an extended pattern of race-baiting).

You don't get to have it both ways. And when you fight the law, the law wins.
What law do you think I broke?

 

jocal505

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What law do you think I broke?
The one you claimed to have broken? What do I win?

research by Tom Ray, which needs a cite:
Last I checked, there are a couple hundred thousand machine guns that are legally owned by rich people,
FALSE. I found 115,000 registered just in Nevada at the time of the concert shooting, the one with the 700 injuries.

So I guess he also heard the roar from the debate crowd when Beto said, Hell yes we're going to take your (assault weapons, ordinary .22's).
It was a mighty roar indeed. dogballs, he sniff away and he hate the sentiment in the air.

 
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jocal505

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Which part(s) of Biden's gun control plans do you think will save those lives?
The general direction of Biden and Beto is the keeper. Basically, educate the public (in order to counter the disinformation of Larry Pratt) until guns are not welcome in the home setting. Once educated, the voters in each state will guide the Senate well, or else. 

The "or else" is that they face the known statistical consequences in that state. The consequences are demonstrably negative.

The states with the highest rates of gun mortality were Mississippi, Alabama, and Wyoming. Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Hawaii had the lowest rates.

Provisional data collected by the Gun Violence Archive suggests that gun deaths rose again in 2019, although those figures do not include suicides.

(...) 

·February 12, 2020

The number of gun deaths in America held steady in 2018, following three straight years of significant increases, according to new data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A total of 39,740 people were killed by firearms in 2018. The age-adjusted death rate also remained virtually unchanged, at 11.9 deaths per 100,000 people. 

The new figures, published today on the CDC’s interactive WONDER database, establish gun violence as the 14th leading cause of death for Americans, killing slightly more people than falls or motor vehicle accidents. The CDC’s mortality data is derived from death certificates collected at the state level.

The plateau follows three consecutive years in which the number of people killed by guns increased. The 2017 figures marked the highest firearm mortality rate recorded since 1996, and the largest number of gun deaths ever tallied by the CDC. The slight downtick in 2018 came amid an overall increase in life expectancy, which reversed three years of decline.

https://www.thetrace.org/2020/02/gun-deaths-suicide-cdc-data-2018/

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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The one you claimed to have broken? What do I win?
But I never claimed to have broken a law. You of all people should know that keeping and selling "assault" weapons and parts that were already owned when the 1994 ban was passed was allowed. The law didn't feature the confiscation upgrade, a major loophole about which your elk have complained a LOT.

Buying a new one would have been illegal when I bought mine, but buying a used one was not.

 

jocal505

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But I never claimed to have broken a law. You of all people should know that keeping and selling "assault" weapons and parts that were already owned when the 1994 ban was passed was allowed. The law didn't feature the confiscation upgrade, a major loophole about which your elk have complained a LOT.

Buying a new one would have been illegal when I bought mine, but buying a used one was not.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were prancing around like Freddy Mercury, bragging about "naughty", while breaking a magazine law.

 
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dacapo

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this is great...keep dogballs checking P.A. every hour   he'll do nothing else all day long  :D

 
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