Black Lives Matter

[Raz'r]

You've lost the plot...I didn't say they were equivalent, I said they were not.

The BLM folks agree. They are protesting institutional racism. They're coming for YOU.

 

[benwynn]

I'm not equating them, they are hardly equal. I'm comparing them and pointing out that any organization that is really concerned about black lives would be focused on black on black crime which is orders of magnitude more destructive to the lives of blacks than police brutality. BLM is a fraud, a scam, and the sooner the public wakes up to the fact the better.

Again, you are telling us that the only discernible difference that matters between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks is the volume. 

A good portion of the public is fully awake in knowing that this is not just math.   You?  Apparently not so much. 

 

[benwynn]

You've lost the plot...I didn't say they were equivalent, I said they were not.

I have not lost the plot that you've made the argument that they are different based on volume.   

 

[jzk]

Dog doesn't give a shit about black lives. 

Is that truly your honest opinion? 

 

[Dog]

Again, you are telling us that the only discernible difference that matters between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks is the volume. 

A good portion of the public is fully awake in knowing that this is not just math.   You?  Apparently not so much. 

Where did I tell you that?

 

[Bus Driver]

When you've got nothing go personal. Fucking weak.

When you know I hit the nail on the head, resort to your "go personal" whine.

 

[benwynn]

Where did I tell you that?

In post #952.  I recommend that before hitting the Submit Reply button that you read what you've wrote.

Granted, I may have missed where you have pointed out the clear difference (other than volume) between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks.  If you could point that out, I'd appreciate it.

 

[Dog]

I have not lost the plot that you've made the argument that they are different based on volume.   

They are different in terms of volume and in terms of the effect on the lives of black people.

 

[Bus Driver]

Is that truly your honest opinion? 

I've seen no evidence he cares, other than to score political points.

 

[Dog]

In post #952.  I recommend that before hitting the Submit Reply button that you read what you've wrote.

Granted, I may have missed where you have pointed out the clear difference (other than volume) between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks.  If you could point that out, I'd appreciate it.

Go back and read it slowly, nowhere do I say anything remotely like "the only discernible difference that matters between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks is the volume".

 

[shaggybaxter]

They are different in terms of volume and in terms of the effect on the lives of black people.

You teach your kids when they need help to run to the nearest drug dealer do you? 

 

[benwynn]

In post #952.  I recommend that before hitting the Submit Reply button that you read what you've wrote.

Granted, I may have missed where you have pointed out the clear difference (other than volume) between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks.  If you could point that out, I'd appreciate it.

Go back and read it slowly, nowhere do I say anything remotely like "the only discernible difference that matters between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks is the volume".

After going back and reading it slowly, and making observation here that you ignored the second point in my post quoted here, I'll retract my accusation and reword it as:

"The only discernible difference between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks, worthy of mention,  is the volume".

Better?

 

[Dog]

After going back and reading it slowly, and making observation here that you ignored the second point in my post quoted here, I'll retract my accusation and reword it as:

"The only discernible difference between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks, worthy of mention, mentioned is the volume".

Better?

Allow me...

 

[d'ranger]

Since I speak and read jive let me translate Dog - until blacks stop killing blacks cops killing blacks just is not important.  I used to believe he just enjoyed playing devil's advocate here, I am now disabused of that notion.

 

[Dog]

Since I speak and read jive let me translate Dog - until blacks stop killing blacks cops killing blacks just is not important.  I used to believe he just enjoyed playing devil's advocate here, I am now disabused of that notion.

Nowhere have I said anything remotely like that.

 

[benwynn]

"The only discernible difference between criminals killing blacks and agents of the government killing blacks, worthy of mention, mentioned is the volume".

What are the differences between the killing of blacks by criminals and the killing of blacks by agents of government, other than volume,  that you have not mentioned that are worthy of mention?  

 

[Raz'r]

"Holy shit, I think they're gonna come after ME!  Hey, look, over there, a squirrel!"

@Dog 's approach to BLM

 

[MR.CLEAN]

"Holy shit, I think they're gonna come after ME!  Hey, look, over there, a squirrel!"

@Dog 's approach to BLM

They coming to rape the wimmin.  Ammo up!

 

[Dog]

What are the differences between the killing of blacks by criminals and the killing of blacks by agents of government, other than volume,  that you have not mentioned that are worthy of mention?  

That the killings by cops are most often justified. Where they are not justified penalties should be harsher for police because of the police's positions of authority.

 

[Burning Man]

I'm not equating them, they are hardly equal. I'm comparing them and pointing out that any organization that is really concerned about black lives would be focused on black on black crime which is orders of magnitude more destructive to the lives of blacks than police brutality. BLM is a fraud, a scam, and the sooner the public wakes up to the fact the better.

Dog, I don't think the BLM movement is a fraud or a scam.  I think they are genuinely concerned about black people being killed by cops.  I agree with you that there is no proven systemic institutionalized targeting and killing of Blacks by cops, but rather they are victims of a militarized policing policy that puts cops and blacks in contact with each other far more often than whites.  I continue to maintain that the issue is class, not race.  Poor people commit the sorts of crimes that bring cops into contact with people more often than MC or rich folks do.  It happens in white rural areas too.  The big difference is there are more poor black people packed into the inner cities than there are poor whites packed into rural spaces.  So the frequency of contact is massively far less for whites than blacks.  Poor people also do not get access to legal representation than more affluent folks do, so therefore they are more likely to be both arrested and incarcerated and end up with longer and harsher sentences. 

All of it becomes the perfect storm for blacks feeling like they are being persecuted and targeted.  And to a degree they are correct, but not solely because they have more melanin in their skin.  Its a snowball effect......  More poor blacks in dense urban areas are more likely be in the drug trade and with that comes violence,  Those violent folks then come in contact with the Po-Leece, more are imprisoned, more commit violence, the cops are at alert Red stage because of it and it escalates out of control.  I'm not excusing cops, but it;s simply a numbers game.  And unfortunately, innocent blacks are profiled as being a threat due to the numbers of blacks who are actually a threat WELL OUT OF PROPORTION to their demographic representation in society.  I'm not saying it's right, but it's understandable and is human nature.  If 70% of violent crimes were being committed by red-headed midgets in orange and pink clown suits - then I would expect cops to look more closely and with a bit of concern whenever they came across a red-headed midget in a pink and orange clown suit.  

As for BLM folks caring about black gangsters in the hood being murdered.....  I think they care no more about them than you or I care about white meth cooks and gangsters in the midwest being murdered.  So I don't really see the connection or the ability to compare the numbers.  So I think BLM is not trying to say that ALL Black Lives Matter, just the ones that are not doing anything wrong and just trying to live their lives peacefully.  No more than I think that ALL white lives matter, because I don't.  

So I don't think BLM is a fraud or a scam..... just that they are mad and outraged, but don't really know what they want or how to get there.  It's like the Hostage analogy.....  You'd better know what you want to negotiate for before you take hostages, or everyone just ends up dead in the end.  I don't think BLM has been particularly good at articulating what they want and how they think they can get there - just that WHITE bad.  That's not a winning strategy, frankly.  Just saying.