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jocal505

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Like paying for one group to vote another out of the BoR ??
You are kinda bitching that Gary Cooper is packing. 

Mike, Bloomberg just provides modern (but vetted) education on the situation. He gets info to the public, and precipitates organization among us the people.  And however distasteful, his activity  offsets billions of industry money that went the other way, both in back rooms and in congress. 

Gary Cooper never gets sent into an ideal setup.

to vote another out of the BoR ??
HYPERBOLE ALERT 

I was schooled by @DeadEye DIck, he reminds me that the BoR was 1789. The Militia Act of 1792 was evidently three years later, fine tuning this "well-regulated militia."  Their needs and defintions and concerns are follow-up are all there. Basically, it soothes the concept of the states and the feds sharing the same militia.

We find the Second was a compromise. Jefferson was on deck. They didn't need floppy-dick dogballs. They needed red rocket-type dogballs to defend their turf, aka the War of 1812. Militia militia militia, and a well-regulated one if not Jefferson's preference, a select militia.

Stay true to the BoR of you quote it. The BoR doesn't mention personal "confrontations" three times, just the Heller case does. 

 
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Trump is a master of the mindless messenger attack. I never knew Bloomberg was short until he brought it up. I still don't care.

Anyway, The Bloomberg and Steyer Fiascoes Should Give Pause to Speech Restrictionists
 

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For incumbents, who were reelected 91 percent of the time in the House and 84 percent of the time in the Senate last time around, it has proven remarkably difficult to show that spending more attracts more votes. Money matters most for challengers, which means that caps on spending are apt to help maintain the status quo rather than shake things up.

While "money isn't speech," as advocates of restrictions keep reminding us, money is necessary for speech to reach a wide audience, which is especially important for candidates who do not enjoy the manifold advantages of incumbency, including name recognition, constant visibility, good will earned through constituent service, and voters' tendency to stick with the guy they know unless there is a compelling reason to take a chance on someone else. Restrictions on spending impair a candidate's ability to get his message across, just as direct restrictions on the use of telephones, video equipment, computers, or the internet would, even though those technologies are not speech either.

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Money isn't a medical procedure. A law saying "You can have an abortion, you just can't spend any money to do it" would just be a regulation of commerce and medicine, not any kind of attack on a right that some hold dear. Or something.

 

BeSafe

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Trump is a master of the mindless messenger attack. I never knew Bloomberg was short until he brought it up. I still don't care.
Agreed .

Money amplifies message but there are some limits and, in fact, become a parody.

As I've said many times, I don't believe in Pinocchio tests and I'm reluctant to give that authority to someone 'on my behalf'.  

 

Pertinacious Tom

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d'ranger said:
Some good news = Bloomberg has promised to help flip the Texas elections.
I don't doubt this, as he was quite proud that he bough... uh... got that kind of change in Virginia, but I'd be interested in seeing a source for it.

 

Pertinacious Tom

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How gun control advocates plan to make Texas a top political priority in 2020
 

...Bloomietown for Gun  Grabbin' announced in February that it would spend at least $8 million this election cycle in the state, mainly focusing on U.S. House and state House races.

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Bloomietown is not the only national gun control group zeroing in on Texas this cycle. Brady PAC is set to spend over $500,000, a sum that its executive director said is growing from an initially "modest investment" in the fight for the state House majority. Democrats are nine seats down in that chamber.

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As usual, I support the right of people to expre$$ themselves politically, even if they're billionaires or PACs. I know that some here disagree, right up until that disagreement runs up against Gungrabbiness Uber Alles.
 

In interviews, Kelly and Lemek indicated their strategies were less centered on more politically charged proposals such as banning (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) — or mandatory buybacks of such guns, an idea popularized last year by former presidential candidate Beto O'Rourke. Kelly said universal background checks are a starting point for Bloomietown, and "our goal is obviously move forward on that front, and there are other places that we'll go, but the key here is we have almost universal support" for universal background checks. Lemek said he understands the "apprehension" that some candidates have around outlawing (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) but that Brady encourages a more nuanced discussion advocating "not necessarily a ban" but for there to be "no (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) produced and then sold from a retail store" going forward.

That is the approach taken by, for example, Hegar, whose platform says the country must "stop the sale of (assault weapons, ordinary .22's) to the public."
A "mandatory buyback" is also known as a "taking" in any other context. This one too, no one is fooled.

As for the "not necessarily a ban" thing, no one is fooled there either. The plan is to _________ sales from stores. Fill in the blank with a word that isn't a synonym for "ban."

 
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Bloomberg pledges $60M to boost House Democrats
 

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg reportedly intends to put $60 million toward helping to boost House Democrats’ chances in the fall. 

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Bloomberg, one of the richest people in the world, has continued to use some of his wealth to bolster Democratic efforts to make President Trump a one-term president after his own last-minute bid for the Oval Office, into which he poured about half a billion dollars, failed earlier this year. 

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told the Post in a statement on Monday that Bloomberg “played a role that was pivotal to our success two years ago” and added that Democrats are “so glad that he is staying in the fight to protect and expand the Democratic majority in the House.”

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500 million for me, 60 million for thee. But regardless of his priorities, I'm glad he has the right to $peak if that's what he wants to do.

 

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Bloomberg to $pend $100 Million in Florida

The former New York mayor and candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination Mike Bloomberg will spend at least $100m to support Joe Biden in Florida, in an attempt to counter any infusion of personal cash by Donald Trump and to seek a decisive victory in early voting.

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Speaking to the Washington Post, Bloomberg adviser Kevin Sheekey said: “Voting starts on 24 September in Florida so the need to inject real capital in that state quickly is an urgent need. Mike believes that by investing in Florida it will allow campaign resources and other Democratic resources to be used in other states, in particular Pennsylvania.”

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I continue to support Bloomberg's right to $peak as he sees fit.

 

jocal505

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Bloomberg hired one Mike Spies, who hooked up with a reporter from the Post.

In short order, they published the evidernce of bogus campaign activity. Basically, a PAC was collecting money, at the same  physical address and phone number, as a PR wing of the NRA, which is a non-profit org.

  • The two reporters soon produced evidence of endemiuc financial irregularities, built into the NRA, which drew the attention of the NY prosecutors.
  • The corrupt elements around the NRA, meaning Ackerman McQueen, found a need to ask for discovery. 
  • The resulting legal bills did not examine well, and the NRA seems to have imploded, bigly.

Bloomberg did a good thing, to shed light on the corruption within the NRA.

The tables were turned on the dark money of the NRA, by the support of Mike Spies and his buddy, who are run-of-the-mill investigativer reporters.

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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Bloomberg hired one Mike Spies, who hooked up with a reporter from the Post.

In short order, they published the evidernce of bogus campaign activity. Basically, a PAC was collecting money, at the same  physical address and phone number, as a PR wing of the NRA, which is a non-profit org.

  • The two reporters soon produced evidence of endemiuc financial irregularities, built into the NRA, which drew the attention of the NY prosecutors.
  • The corrupt elements around the NRA, meaning Ackerman McQueen, found a need to ask for discovery. 
  • The resulting legal bills did not examine well, and the NRA seems to have imploded, bigly.

Bloomberg did a good thing, to shed light on the corruption within the NRA.

The tables were turned on the dark money of the NRA, by the support of Mike Spies and his buddy, who are run-of-the-mill investigativer reporters.
And this is why I started a thread to support Bloomberg'$ right to $peak. Glad to see you are also happy with the power of $peech, at least when you agree. The thing about it is, you have to tolerate $peech with which you disagree if you expect tolerance of Bloomberg'$ $peech.

 

jocal505

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The thing about it is, you have to tolerate $peech with which you disagree if you expect tolerance of Bloomberg'$ $peech.
Wrong. Money is lucre, it is not speech, except on reason.com. And dark money? WTF?

 I will NEVER accept dark money. It's stupid shit (which can be spotted easily by those on the intelligence level of the national  merit scholarships). Dark money overpowers (and mis-leads) the will of The People, duh.

We know who supported the efforts of Mike Spies, down at The Trace...and the NRA's dominoes soon began to fall.

 
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Pertinacious Tom

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Bloomberg $peak$ for McAuliffe

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Everytown for Gun Safety, backed by former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, plans to pump roughly $1 million into its efforts to elect Democrat Terry McAuliffe, with another $500,000 going to support a dozen Democrats running for the House of Delegates.
 
An additional $300,000 will aid the campaigns of state lawmaker Hala Ayala, who is running for lieutenant governor, and Mark Herring, who is seeking a third term as attorney general.
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Feinblatt said the group plans TV and digital ads, along with mailers. And volunteers from its grassroots organizations plan to knock on doors "until people don't want to hear from them again."

 


I'd say they've accomplished that last bit already.
 
 
 
 

jocal505

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How about some content, from Mr. Bloomberg. This article's group was start-upped by Bloomberg. Here, they present the story of a successful gun company exec whose wife connected the gun problem to the shootings at Sandy Hook and Parkman. This husband could not keep up with this wife.

Ryan Busse Was a Rising Star in the Gun Industry. Then He Had a Change of Heart. Why Ryan Busse Left the Gun Industry Behind (thetrace.org)

The former executive started to question some of the political positions he’d accepted all his life — and to feel complicit in the country's tragedies.

In an interview on the Kifarucast podcast, Donald Trump Jr. criticized Busse as a hypocrite. “You did it [sold guns] for 25 years,” he told the host. “You didn’t seem to have a problem with it until you found a way to capitalize on it.” 

“‘Oh! Someone willing to talk bad about the gun industry.’ He’s a useful idiot to them,” Trump said. 

The last straw, for the Montana gun exec, was the NRA's silence about Bush II's gas-drilling violations within Glacier National Park. Mr. Busse has conferred with the Biden parties. He now works for the Giffords outfit.

“The NRA and the industry praised conservation and wild spaces and hunters and tradition, but if any of those things were contradictory to their right-wing politics, they were easily sacrificed,” Busse told The Trace. (...)

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“For a certain part of the population, guns are symbols,” he said. “I think a lot of people don’t understand that. They are symbols of things that you wish were true, things that once were true and things you want to be true again.” 
 
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