Bloopers

SF Woody Sailor

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On today's front page the esteemed Ed has posted an article which seems to disparage bloopers. This seems strange to me; over many decades I have found them to be super useful on boats that sail deep in big breeze. On my own (CCA) boat, in any event, they change big breeze downwind rides from a nailbiting "wait for the crash" into being on rails with superpower like ability to drive 20 degrees either side of DDW. It was the same back in the (hated) IOR lead mines, but in my view any boat with symetrical kites would benefit in sufficient breeze.

Any comments?

By the way, I am a newbie to SA posting so bring on the flame.

 
I'm sure that I'm about to spark a 17 page debate...well maybe two pages of debate and then two or three anarchists will go toe to toe for the following 15 pages....but I can't visualise a blooper working with an A Sail. Admittedly I'm thinking along the lines of the A Sail being flown from a prod, I know the kite will rotate to weather when running, but is there enough room to squeeze a blooper under there too? Maybe this would just pertain to an A Sail flown from a squared pole.

Have at it Geniuses...

 

BalticBandit

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On today's front page the esteemed Ed has posted an article which seems to disparage bloopers. This seems strange to me; over many decades I have found them to be super useful on boats that sail deep in big breeze. On my own (CCA) boat, in any event, they change big breeze downwind rides from a nailbiting "wait for the crash" into being on rails with superpower like ability to drive 20 degrees either side of DDW. It was the same back in the (hated) IOR lead mines, but in my view any boat with symetrical kites would benefit in sufficient breeze.
Any comments?

By the way, I am a newbie to SA posting so bring on the flame.
So the FO has been handled but you still are missing

Wife's Tits

Unmitigated Doom and Failure.

As for bloopers - bloopers only work on boats that don't have much accelleration. On lighter performance boats - even if they are symmetrical, you will never be able to keep up with the trim requirements of a blooper as the boat accelerates from 14-17 knots and then back down in a 3-5 second cycle. Pole and kite trimmers can barely keep up. The blooper is even less stable.

it only will work on serious leadmines that cannot plane or need at least 10' waves to get a sustained surf.

And why would anyone want to sail that kind of boat?

 

Maxi Special

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I've only ever seen them hoisted DDW on ultra slow shitboxes.

When we sailed against them, I watched and watched them and checked my transits.

I have never been convinced that they do anything except keeping the foredeck crew's

idle thumbs busy!

Seems that boats nowadays have better performance and sail hotter angles than "back in the day".

Soft luff (whichever one is the luff) won't do as well as a staysail with a decent leading edge with hotter angles/ greater apparent wind to gain any extra over the kite's drive.

0.2$ spent!

 

Phoenix

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I think it depends more on the platform. Fractional, less effective. Asymetrical, less effective to not effective at all. Masthead with symetrical, can be pretty effective. Just because a boat goes faster through the water, that doesn't mean the vmg is actually better. I wonder what a Melges would do with a masthead symetrical the same area as the asym on the dork? It's all about area at some point for sheer boat speed. After that, it's about vmg.

 

us7070

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i think the terminology is incorrect...

a blooper was a sail flown to leeward of a spinnaker.

modern spinnaker staysails are (mostly) set to weather of an Asym, and therefore, are _not_ bloopers.

 
I'm excited, we wont get made fun of for using ours anymore- we're gonna look like we are ahead of the curve! I knew these would come back after 30 years, sorta like disco, we are all just waiting on its eventual return...

 

European Bloke

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As a youngster sat at the front of an old half tonner when the breeze was on inevitably the thought arose. ‘Bollocks, some point in the next 10 minutes we’re going to have to gybe this fucker, get the stupid big headsail up and then get the kite down, what could go wrong? Still at least that fuckers over there is going to have to get that stupid blooper down, so that should be good for some comedy.’

 

sailforbeer

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I'm sure that I'm about to spark a 17 page debate...well maybe two pages of debate and then two or three anarchists will go toe to toe for the following 15 pages....but I can't visualise a blooper working with an A Sail. Admittedly I'm thinking along the lines of the A Sail being flown from a prod, I know the kite will rotate to weather when running, but is there enough room to squeeze a blooper under there too? Maybe this would just pertain to an A Sail flown from a squared pole.
Have at it Geniuses...

I beleive that the King 40 considering the blooper is SOOZAL which rigged for a symetrical spin not an asym.

 

kent_island_sailor

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You do realize that not every single person on the planet has a "sportboat" or the latest go-fast-whatever and many of those boats from the 60s and 70s are still out there bringing joy to their owners.

That said, I am not sure why you would design a NEW racing boat to sail that way :huh:

On today's front page the esteemed Ed has posted an article which seems to disparage bloopers. This seems strange to me; over many decades I have found them to be super useful on boats that sail deep in big breeze. On my own (CCA) boat, in any event, they change big breeze downwind rides from a nailbiting "wait for the crash" into being on rails with superpower like ability to drive 20 degrees either side of DDW. It was the same back in the (hated) IOR lead mines, but in my view any boat with symetrical kites would benefit in sufficient breeze.
Any comments?

By the way, I am a newbie to SA posting so bring on the flame.
So the FO has been handled but you still are missing

Wife's Tits

Unmitigated Doom and Failure.

As for bloopers - bloopers only work on boats that don't have much accelleration. On lighter performance boats - even if they are symmetrical, you will never be able to keep up with the trim requirements of a blooper as the boat accelerates from 14-17 knots and then back down in a 3-5 second cycle. Pole and kite trimmers can barely keep up. The blooper is even less stable.

it only will work on serious leadmines that cannot plane or need at least 10' waves to get a sustained surf.

And why would anyone want to sail that kind of boat?
 

Infidel

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I think we need some details. Is the Soozal blooper idea a real blooper, or as seems hinted to in the Mark Mills discussion, just a very full staysail? Maybe a nice light air add on. I will give the benefit of doubt to the boat's braintrust- given their performance that whatever it is will make sense at some point in their downwind mix.

 

sailman

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You people crack me up. "ultra slow", "14-17 knots" Get a fucking grip! Less than .05% of racing sailboats fall into your supposed performance catagory. In your view an old one tonner going 9-10 knots down wind is a slow shit box. Fine, count me a fan of shit boxes!

Will Museler

 

kent_island_sailor

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In the SA universe, if it isn't going 20 knots and made of carbon fiber, it is an old shitbox that should be sunk so the real racers don't have to have their eyes hurt by looking at it ;)

You people crack me up. "ultra slow", "14-17 knots" Get a fucking grip! Less than .05% of racing sailboats fall into your supposed performance catagory. In your view an old one tonner going 9-10 knots down wind is a slow shit box. Fine, count me a fan of shit boxes!
Will Museler
 

Bryanjb

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If you compare the King 40 to say a C&C 40 the numbers are not that different. The King is a heavy 40 footer that takes maximum advantage of waterline combined with a slippery hull form. Would a blooper work? Probably. Anyone have the polars?

 

Shife

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it only will work on serious leadmines that cannot plane or need at least 10' waves to get a sustained surf.
And why would anyone want to sail that kind of boat?
Because ditch diggers need boats too.

Seriously, where are all these XXknt shitbox owners and boats? "Serious leadmines that cannot plane" describes the vast majority of most fleets.

Perhaps the sailing crowd could ask for a bailout, and then we can all have UberFastPhallicSpritSportBoats.

Gov't Bailout Office: Why do you need a bailout?

Shitbox Owner: My shitbox only does 4knts.

Gov't Bailout Office: Ummm. okay...

Shitbox Owner: I want a shitbox that does 17knts. Otherwise my boat won't offset the microscopic size of my dick.

Gov't Bailout Office: Righty-o, here's your check. Next.

 

Phoenix

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I promise not to poke fun at your light ass soon to destroy itself go fast rocket with no accomodations that you paid an inordinate sum of money to purchase. Further, I won't give you any crap about your efforts that are going nowhere to extablish a one design class. I won't even tease you for having to race handicap because there isn't any other place to race your failed ultra flight feather self destructo whatever.

In return, don't give me shit when i can sell my boat for what i paid for it. don't give me shit because I can go for a weekend with a sweet lovely and have enough of the comforts make sex on the boat possible without getting her stupid drunk first. At the end of a point to point race, I'll have enough water in the tank for a shower. I'll even have enough for a pot of coffee in the morning. If there isn't any breeze on the way back, I'll fire up my reliable inboard and motor at more than 6 knots until there is enough breeze to sail.

Different strokes at different times in life.

 

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