Bloopers

Winever

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You mean one of these? Winever.

BTW, this is the North Carolina Yacht Racing Association 2006 Offshore Championships' and I think this maybe Cash Flow.

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Winever

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You mean one of these? Winever.
BTW, this is the North Carolina Yacht Racing Association 2006 Offshore Championships' and I think this maybe Cash Flow.

Evidently they liked it so much they reset after the gybe.

All the pix here. http://www.nyra.org/Photos/2006/NCYRA/index.html

Winever.

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Monkey

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This thread is hysterical. I feel like I'm getting lectured by my grandpa. "You kids and your damn sportboats. Back when I was a kid, we didn't need sportboats... sailed upwind both ways... proud to fly bloopers... blah blah blah."

To be honest, I could care less. I happen to like seeing the old IOR warhorses barreling dead downwind, rockin' the blooper, and death-rolling for all they're worth. What I think is pretty lame is that this dude is spending gobs of money to slow his boat down with old school ideas, all in the quest for the almighty pickle dish! Oh well, I shouldn't complain. It'll give all you old bastards something to chat about at the dock instead of bitching about the sportboats.

 
Here's a crappy video of us flying a blooper on a J44 during a race on Lake Texoma in 2007.

At the time we really thought we were the only ones to fly one during a race in the new millennium, but this thread has proved that wrong.

Blooper Flyin'

Verdict was out on if it really helped us speedwise, but it was a lot of fun and made a long light air downwind leg a lot more interesting.

 
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BalticBandit

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In the SA universe, if it isn't going 20 knots and made of carbon fiber, it is an old shitbox that should be sunk so the real racers don't have to have their eyes hurt by looking at it ;)

You people crack me up. "ultra slow", "14-17 knots" Get a fucking grip! Less than .05% of racing sailboats fall into your supposed performance catagory. In your view an old one tonner going 9-10 knots down wind is a slow shit box. Fine, count me a fan of shit boxes!
Will Museler
Cold molded like the Synergies is ok as well.

Look the issue isn't old IOR warhorses going DDW and putting up a blooper to keep the crew from imitating the Keystone Cop Car

The issue is why would you spend the scratch for a brand new boat straight off a naval architects drawing board to get a boat that is so slow that a blooper will work for it?

I guess the antrimthompsonhenderson's could glue a flat 2x12 to their stern and get rerated to be so slow as to not cause a rating's headache (keep those 10m boats back where they belong - racing against J-30s)

But unless its a cruiserama - why would you WANT TO?

 

polarbear

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I promise not to poke fun at your light ass soon to destroy itself go fast rocket with no accomodations that you paid an inordinate sum of money to purchase. Further, I won't give you any crap about your efforts that are going nowhere to extablish a one design class. I won't even tease you for having to race handicap because there isn't any other place to race your failed ultra flight feather self destructo whatever.
In return, don't give me shit when i can sell my boat for what i paid for it. don't give me shit because I can go for a weekend with a sweet lovely and have enough of the comforts make sex on the boat possible without getting her stupid drunk first. At the end of a point to point race, I'll have enough water in the tank for a shower. I'll even have enough for a pot of coffee in the morning. If there isn't any breeze on the way back, I'll fire up my reliable inboard and motor at more than 6 knots until there is enough breeze to sail.

Different strokes at different times in life.
That really hit the spot...

 

Squerb

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You mean one of these? Winever.
BTW, this is the North Carolina Yacht Racing Association 2006 Offshore Championships' and I think this maybe Cash Flow.

Evidently they liked it so much they reset after the gybe.

All the pix here. http://www.nyra.org/Photos/2006/NCYRA/index.html

Winever.
That boat's really bow down. Two guys on the bow and what's that chick doing forward of the mast? They just canceled out any benefit they got from the bloop.

 

Winever

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You mean one of these? Winever.
BTW, this is the North Carolina Yacht Racing Association 2006 Offshore Championships' and I think this maybe Cash Flow.

Evidently they liked it so much they reset after the gybe.

All the pix here. http://www.nyra.org/Photos/2006/NCYRA/index.html

Winever.
That boat's really bow down. Two guys on the bow and what's that chick doing forward of the mast? They just canceled out any benefit they got from the bloop.

Not sure, I wasn't onboard, but looking at what maybe the committee boat behind them, they could have just finished? Winever.

 

mrgnstrn

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They are not banned in the great lakes in that sister ship you speak of, that sail went in the dumpster years ago.
:(

Damn!

I think the silent majority of those of us racing old beat up leadmines tend to stick to the theory of "you worry about what kind of boat you sail, and I'll worry about what I sail" and know that racing a fast boat slow doesn't make you a better racer than racing a slow boat fast... Strange how you don't hear the leadmine racers whining about their rating all the time, isn't it?
I agree. I only get involved when there is this blatant "your leadmine sucks because______" Usually it's "because of PHRF", sometimes it's the fact that I need a tornado to get on plane ( :p ), but whatever. I didn't come over there and piss in their "special OneDesignPlaningUltraLightsSB"-cherrios, so why are they pissin' in mine!

This thread is hysterical. I feel like I'm getting lectured by my grandpa.
Dude, this hits me in the chest. A fella turns 31 and I get called grandpa. fuck, the only thing left to look forward to is Social Security checks...in 30+ years.

The issue is why would you spend the scratch for a brand new boat straight off a naval architects drawing board to get a boat that is so slow that a blooper will work for it?
Yes....why indeed. This smells suspiciously like "Spinoa-gate" that we heard about a few years ago.

-M

 
They bitch about ratings in Sarasota because there isn't anything else to complain about.
actually, i dont think i ever heard too much bitching in Sarasota... where they allow SR21's to race without bow pulpits... or lifelines. and M24's without bow pulpits too.... (just for DannyV). Most of the PHRF bitching i hear comes from Bradenton, which is some of the lowest key racing (keelboat wise) racing i know of in reference to the type of boats sailed.

 
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polarbear

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The grandpa slam doesn't work. How many 20 year olds own and campaign their 30-40 footer superleds?

How many 30 year olds (especially with young families)? In fact, I think I'm too young for those rockets. I need

a bit more dough, I need the kids to grow up a bit more, and I need my wife to find a tennis pro

that will keep her occupied while I campaign my supersled at various regattas. A good midlife crisis

would help me kickstart the whole thing but I'm not quite there yet. Also, I'll need to learn how

to whine, bitch and moan about unfair ratings. So, it'll take a bit of time for me to get there

and by then, I may be a grandpa...

 

Kenny Dumas

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Just for kicks, some blooper theory: They are very useful for reducing the death rolls when sailing DDW or very deep angles, especially with the wind up. The reason you death roll without them is that the spinnaker sheds vortexes alternating off each side of the sail as the sail swings away from the vortex. The back and forth motion is actually faster than not rolling because the apparent wind in the sail increases as it slices across the wind so you are sortof jibing downwind with every roll, and not stalling as much. The old IOR pinch-stern hulls rolled like bitches in heat and were notably faster if you just let them roll, like heel angles at 30 or more. More than one crew got pretty green and of course the roundups were bad enough and roundowns just plain dangerous. Bloopers don't stop the spinnaker oscillations, but naturally oscillate in the opposite direction as you shed one vortex off the bow when the two headsails swing apart and then a vortex off both outer edges when they swing together. It's very cool the first time you see it work. I doubt it's really a whole lot faster, but you certainly are more stable and less likely to crash. The biggest difference may be now much rudder drag you reduce by not going lock-to-lock on the wheel so is probably very driver / crew dependent. There's also that interesting point when the wind blows up enough that you need to take it all down. My guess is that you really ought to douse the chute first because if you drop the bloop you'll instantly go into the death rolls but I haven't been smart enough to try it that way yet.

 

Steam Flyer

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Bloopers are not the problem, and boats on which bloopers would work are not the problem.
Heck no. Bloopers are fun.

If they are truly making a comeback, like disco & leisure suits, then how long do I have to wait for my Commodore 64 computer to be cool again?

Handicap racing used to be a far more viable and fair alternative to one design than it is currently, and it used to be a place where boats with full water tanks and sets of dishes (and bloopers) could compete against one another.
Are you talking about PHRF?

For as long as I've been watching it and occasionally sailing in it, the PHRF world is about having cronies on the rating committee, stripping interiors, racing with as many bodies as you could pack onto the windward rail with the promise of free beer, and generally trying to avoid actual sailing competition.

That's why so many sailors who have experience outside PHRF make fun of it.

People who wanted to sail the absolute latest, lightest, and fastest would find the one design that best suited their preferences. The problem is the deluging of the market with a wide variety of really crappy sportboats that have never gotten a class off the ground and never will, which results in PHRF fleets being forced to accommodate the stupid things, which means that the performance profiles of the boats in the fleet become so wildly different that the results become a foregone conclusion based on the course type and windspeed.
It doesn't take a sportboat for that. I'm in just about that position with a 30 YO MORC boat (looks like a 1/4 tonner but apparently was never rated for that) (Santana 23).

And what is PHRF good for, if not for accomodating a 'buy whatever boat you want, bring it to race' fleet?

I cannot imagine a bigger waste of time and money than getting a carbon sport boat to sail in PHRF. (... snip forbrevity...) The only duality of purpose in these things is sailing/driveway or preferably driveway/dumpster.
How about .... they're lots of fun to sail?

At some point, skiffs & sportboats *will* catch on in the USA. I dunno when, but we can't be racing 1940s designs and 1960s technology forever.

FB- Doug

 

Monkey

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The grandpa slam doesn't work. How many 20 year olds own and campaign their 30-40 footer superleds?How many 30 year olds (especially with young families)? In fact, I think I'm too young for those rockets. I need

a bit more dough, I need the kids to grow up a bit more, and I need my wife to find a tennis pro

that will keep her occupied while I campaign my supersled at various regattas. A good midlife crisis

would help me kickstart the whole thing but I'm not quite there yet. Also, I'll need to learn how

to whine, bitch and moan about unfair ratings. So, it'll take a bit of time for me to get there

and by then, I may be a grandpa...
There was no grandpa slam. What I said was that this thread had that feeling because some of the pro-blooper zealots are taking themselves way to serious. They're trying desperately to make this a Sporty vs. IOR leadmine battle. It isn't.

And before you get your undies in a twist... I may not race the goofy thing, but the boat I own happens to be a 29 year old 1/4 tonner.

P.S. mrgnstrn, as a 31 year old, you should feel old and I'm glad the grandpa comment hit you square in the chest. Old people like you have no business screwing up this sport. You should seriously consider having yourself put to sleep (quality of life, and all). Thank god I'm only 29. ;)

 




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