ovclampett
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It was after the finsh,the jib got stuck in the luff hince two on the bow and Sue tring to keep the blooper flying.
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mustang__1
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speak for yourself, gramps...There was no grandpa slam. What I said was that this thread had that feeling because some of the pro-blooper zealots are taking themselves way to serious. They're trying desperately to make this a Sporty vs. IOR leadmine battle. It isn't.
And before you get your undies in a twist... I may not race the goofy thing, but the boat I own happens to be a 29 year old 1/4 tonner.
P.S. mrgnstrn, as a 31 year old, you should feel old and I'm glad the grandpa comment hit you square in the chest. Old people like you have no business screwing up this sport. You should seriously consider having yourself put to sleep (quality of life, and all). Thank god I'm only 29.
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Burnsy
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Phoenix
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First, I was campaigning a 40 footer in the SORC when I was in my 20's. It was really fun.
Second, PHRF was formed on the East Coast as a reaction to the disposable boats of the later 70's. The accomodation requirements have been gutted through the years to finally end up with PHRF being the venue of last resort. I objected to rewriting the requirements when we got the 11 meter here and have objected ever since. As a result of that move plus the trend toward less than 10 minute leg W/L courses has effectively killed handicap racing on the Chesapeake. where we had 60 boats in A-2, we are lucky to get 20 now.
Older women don't always have the packaging of the younger version, but they are really good. Once you get to the majors, there isn't any reason to play AA ball any more.
Second, PHRF was formed on the East Coast as a reaction to the disposable boats of the later 70's. The accomodation requirements have been gutted through the years to finally end up with PHRF being the venue of last resort. I objected to rewriting the requirements when we got the 11 meter here and have objected ever since. As a result of that move plus the trend toward less than 10 minute leg W/L courses has effectively killed handicap racing on the Chesapeake. where we had 60 boats in A-2, we are lucky to get 20 now.
Older women don't always have the packaging of the younger version, but they are really good. Once you get to the majors, there isn't any reason to play AA ball any more.
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Lame Mystery Guest
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gnats' got the right idea, fucking with the blooper is better than just sittn' on yer ass poundin PBR's!
sinner
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If there are significant numbers of sailors in you area that agree with you, then get together and let the YC race committees know what you want! They are just starting and finishing you, doing some scoring and hearings so they can get your wallets open at the bar.
Write a letter with a pile of owner's signatures and tell them minimum 1 mi., 1.5 mi. weather legs or you ALL won't enter! What the hell do they care how long the legs are? Light air? Once around. moderate? twice around or 2.5 times around w/DW finish. Etc.
Organize! Unite! Throw off the bonds of Race Committee arrogance.
Oh yeah, here's a shot to make this post relevant to the thread:
A faking Moore 24 w/Blooper! WTF?
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Phoenix
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The 0wners have already voted with their feet. I'm one of them.
mustang__1
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the 70's were almost 40 years ago now... How exactly did you look at 40year old boats then?... oh right, they were wooden and beautiful.... But still, do you get my point? Given the choice then, which would you have bought? The newer boat, or the 20year old, dated anyway, boat?
oh, and 10min legs are stupid for a real regatta (beercans not withstanding)...
sinner
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Ah! Now, let the Asshats know how many are stayin away and how they can get them back. Tell them you will work with them to get the word out that longer legs are going to be used and it will be more fun and less frenetic at mark roundings! Get the local waterside newspaper or sports section to cover the "progress." Get a couple of interviews to 'make your case' for the article and BAM! You're in!
We had an RC that was staffed by small OD racers and they were sending the larger boats in PH classes on 1/2 mi. legs! We put a stop to that shit, Post-faking-haste!
You can to! Hit it. Nows a good time to get started ad you have enough time before the spring thaw to accomplish something.
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Bhamil2406
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How can you hate the blooper? The blooper is your friend!!!
--/Go Pens
After many years experience flying bloopers in the 70's and 80's I became convinced that the their only benefit was to provide endless hours of entertainment for trimmers, mastmen and helmsmen. I don't think that they ever improved the speeed but they certainly looked impressive
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mrgnstrn
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it wouldn't have been sooooo bad, but I had my Bday on monday. I've only been 31 for like 4 days.P.S. mrgnstrn, as a 31 year old, you should feel old and I'm glad the grandpa comment hit you square in the chest. Old people like you have no business screwing up this sport. You should seriously consider having yourself put to sleep (quality of life, and all). Thank god I'm only 29.
.....and just you wait, sonny, you will be in my shoes (in 2 years!)
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soling2003
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mrgnstrn, I may have a blooper for you! We can't race with it here in the PNW as PHRF outlaws them for some unknown reason, and we don't have IRC here....yet. It's from a Peterson 37, so would be close.
And after using them for years on 1/2 t, 3/4 t, and 2 tons, they can be effective in certain conditions if you fly them correctly, with the foot just off the water. Wish we could use ours on some of the longer races here.
Enough of the sportboat/ancient lead mine debate. It has been bashed around here forever. We have different needs and wants in a boat, so we get one that works for us at a price we can afford......kind of. So drop it. Besides, it seems most of the ones shitting on our 6 knot shitboxes don't even have A boat.
So enough. It is much better to try and come up with a way to have the boats race along side one another in areas that don't have enough boats to split them, and find a good base where you can slpit them in bigger areas. We rate about the same as a M24, and I'd hate to spend 2 weeks in the islands with my wife on one of those things. And I'd hate to be hiking over those lifelines like they do. If I'm going to hike, give me a trapeze any day, or at least droop hiking with a harness!
And finally, we should be trying to work together to get more boats out then putting down the older designs that are still competitive and fun to sail, hold more beer, but aren't the newest and fastest boat on the block.
Oh, and one more thing,
SHOW ME YOUR WIFES TITS!
And after using them for years on 1/2 t, 3/4 t, and 2 tons, they can be effective in certain conditions if you fly them correctly, with the foot just off the water. Wish we could use ours on some of the longer races here.
Enough of the sportboat/ancient lead mine debate. It has been bashed around here forever. We have different needs and wants in a boat, so we get one that works for us at a price we can afford......kind of. So drop it. Besides, it seems most of the ones shitting on our 6 knot shitboxes don't even have A boat.
So enough. It is much better to try and come up with a way to have the boats race along side one another in areas that don't have enough boats to split them, and find a good base where you can slpit them in bigger areas. We rate about the same as a M24, and I'd hate to spend 2 weeks in the islands with my wife on one of those things. And I'd hate to be hiking over those lifelines like they do. If I'm going to hike, give me a trapeze any day, or at least droop hiking with a harness!
And finally, we should be trying to work together to get more boats out then putting down the older designs that are still competitive and fun to sail, hold more beer, but aren't the newest and fastest boat on the block.
Oh, and one more thing,
SHOW ME YOUR WIFES TITS!
GRUMPY
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I'm the man before the mast
That ploughs the raging sea
And on this simple subject
Will you please enlighten me
Common sailors we are called
Come tell me the reason why
And on this simple subject I'll reply
Chorus:
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Common sailors anymore :|
Good things to you we bring
Don't you call us common men
We're as good as anybody that's on shore
2. The young girls of this country
Their growing days we bless
We brings them silks and satins
Out of which they makes a dress
To gain the heart of some young man
As fancy dresses do
Don't never despise the sailor boys
That sails the ocean blue
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3. The young gents of this country
They're sitting at their ease
Not thinking on the stormy nights
That we spent on the seas
We brings the leaves to make cigars
To decorate their face
They wouldn't call us common
If they were sometimes in our place
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4. When speaking of a man ashore
We never hear you say
He's a common this or common that
Be his calling what it may
Be he a travelling tinker,
Or a scavanger, or a sweep
Then why call us common sailors
Who battle with the deep
Chorus:
That ploughs the raging sea
And on this simple subject
Will you please enlighten me
Common sailors we are called
Come tell me the reason why
And on this simple subject I'll reply
Chorus:
|: Don't you call us
Common sailors anymore :|
Good things to you we bring
Don't you call us common men
We're as good as anybody that's on shore
2. The young girls of this country
Their growing days we bless
We brings them silks and satins
Out of which they makes a dress
To gain the heart of some young man
As fancy dresses do
Don't never despise the sailor boys
That sails the ocean blue
Chorus:
3. The young gents of this country
They're sitting at their ease
Not thinking on the stormy nights
That we spent on the seas
We brings the leaves to make cigars
To decorate their face
They wouldn't call us common
If they were sometimes in our place
Chorus:
4. When speaking of a man ashore
We never hear you say
He's a common this or common that
Be his calling what it may
Be he a travelling tinker,
Or a scavanger, or a sweep
Then why call us common sailors
Who battle with the deep
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SF Woody Sailor
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In my experience the blooper doesn't add much boatspeed, but it does make a (symmetrical kite) boat much more controllable when trying to sail DDW in big breeze. I understand this is irrelevant to Asym boats, but if you look around the typical race course these are still the minority. If you sail in a big breeze venue (like my home port of San Francisco) then the ability to sail confidently 20 degrees either side of DDW in 25-30 knots without rounding up or down is, to put it mildly, pretty handy. For those who think bloopers are for amateurs please see photos of the 1986 One Ton worlds in SF. Every boat flew bloopers on every downwind leg; in fact there is a pretty cool photo of about 2/3 of the fleet upside down in 30 knots as they couldn't get the bloopers up fast enough after the weather mark.
Perhaps some would suggest we should all ditch our existing leadmines and run off to buy new sportboats, but in my experience faster boats do NOT equal better racing. In fact, quite the contrary. Slow boats (as long as they are all equally slow) make for much better competition. When you have super quick boats (multihulls, skiffs, etc) then a small % difference in boat speed rapidly translates to big differences in distance so there are few tactical interactions. When you have a big fleet of slow boats (like our local Knarrs) the boats all go pretty much the same speed so tactical interactions are frequent. I suppose different folks like different aspects of the sport, but I would rather have a sophisticated tactical battle in a 5 knot Etchells than a brainless one tack to the weather mark drag race in a 20 knot catamaran anytime.
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Perhaps some would suggest we should all ditch our existing leadmines and run off to buy new sportboats, but in my experience faster boats do NOT equal better racing. In fact, quite the contrary. Slow boats (as long as they are all equally slow) make for much better competition. When you have super quick boats (multihulls, skiffs, etc) then a small % difference in boat speed rapidly translates to big differences in distance so there are few tactical interactions. When you have a big fleet of slow boats (like our local Knarrs) the boats all go pretty much the same speed so tactical interactions are frequent. I suppose different folks like different aspects of the sport, but I would rather have a sophisticated tactical battle in a 5 knot Etchells than a brainless one tack to the weather mark drag race in a 20 knot catamaran anytime.
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