Boats and foils comparison

[Priscilla]

The cats were dogs when off their foils the AC75's will be a lot worse.

Pre starts in anything under 15-20 knots will be a larf.

 

[uflux]

The cats were dogs when off their foils the AC75's will be a lot worse.

Pre starts in anything under 15-20 knots will be a larf.

The teams aren't stupid. They will all go deep in light winds and have a timed run to the line. Keep their noses clean. Foiling to the line in the final 20 secs. 

Unless you think the old flappy sails dial-ups were any more interesting...snore

 

[Priscilla]

They will all go deep in light winds and have a timed run to the line. Keep their noses clean. Foiling to the line in the final 20 secs. 

Crikey that will be a exciting spectacle.

 

[barfy]

The teams aren't stupid. They will all go deep in light winds and have a timed run to the line. Keep their noses clean. Foiling to the line in the final 20 secs. 

Unless you think the old flappy sails dial-ups were any more interesting...snore

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Go deep, get foiling. Then some interesting tactics. There were some very interesting starts in 8 kt in bda, and from all accounts these boats will be as adept in light air. Expect manoeuvres to be even more important in a windward start box.

 

[Priscilla]

from all accounts these boats will be as adept in light air

Got any evidence.

 

[uflux]

Crikey that will be a exciting spectacle.

As opposed to crawling over the line at 10 knots???

I think I'm ok with that...

 

[Priscilla]

Must be a millennial thing.

Pre starts are were the opportunity to showcase tactics skills and seamanship.

Going deep and not engaging staying clean cause your foiler ain't foiling wow sounds as boring as Bermuda.

 

[JALhazmat]

Well, that is correct.

So why bring it up?

the kite class is unregulated so they go for longer masts and add more can’t angle and still keep the wing tips submerged 

you can’t make the foil arms longer on the ac boats so the being it is stifled before it has begun by nature of the beam dictated in the rules 

 

[barfy]

Got any evidence.

Multiple guesstimates on here of 30kt in 8 on etnz first gen boat.

Almost consensus (give or take .75), of the same 8 kt lower limit as AC35.

Opinions expressed by GA, GD, the Italian Guys, that these boats will be more maneuverable than the cats.

 

[uflux]

Must be a millennial thing.

Pre starts are were the opportunity to showcase tactics skills and seamanship.

Going deep and not engaging staying clean cause your foiler ain't foiling wow sounds as boring as Bermuda.

Has nobody told you that the America’s Cup is won by the fastest boat around the course...It’s not ballroom dancing ?!?  :blink:

 

[Fiji Bitter]

Can't wait to see two lame ducks capsize in a dial up!

Hopefully they will experiment a bit in Cagliari.

 

[uflux]

Can't wait to see two lame ducks capsize in a dial up!

Hopefully they will experiment a bit in Cagliari.

They won’t dial-up. They will keep moving

 

[Fiji Bitter]

They won’t dial-up. They will keep moving

People commit suicide too, so why not.  

And BTW, it's the last thing I would do.  

 

[RantyDave]

They won’t dial-up. They will keep moving

Depends, doesn't it? If team A reckon they can get team B to capsize pre-start then they'll do whatever they can. Interesting that TNZ's design can be thought of as the most 'dangerous' in this regard - having less (or no) weight in the foils and not looking like a barge.

 

[uflux]

Depends, doesn't it? If team A reckon they can get team B to capsize pre-start then they'll do whatever they can. Interesting that TNZ's design can be thought of as the most 'dangerous' in this regard - having less (or no) weight in the foils and not looking like a barge.

They don’t have less weight in the foils. The AC75 gets its stability through being dynamic. Nobody is going to want to be dead in the water.  

 

[Tornado-Cat]

They won’t dial-up. They will keep moving

Bet'ya that BenHit and Spitbull will luff their ennemy until fall in the prestart.

 

[Fiji Bitter]

They don’t have less weight in the foils. The AC75 gets its stability through being dynamic. Nobody is going to want to be dead in the water.  

I thought they could have both foils down and that they would be quite stable that way.

We might be in for some surprises.

Question, will "the zone" take that into account, 2 foils down I mean? Can't remember.

 

[RantyDave]

I thought they could have both foils down and that they would be quite stable that way.

Some of the foils have a conspicuous bulb on them. Containing, I suspect, lead. TNZ do not.

 

[rh3000]

Some of the foils have a conspicuous bulb on them. Containing, I suspect, lead. TNZ do not.

Might I suggest you avail yourself of the class rule mate

 

[RantyDave]

Might I suggest you avail yourself of the class rule mate

So what is in them?