Body modifications

[phillysailor]

Just more ad hominem shit. Why don't you make a case for performing gender affirming surgery on children if you believe in it.

I believe in making treatments available for medical & psychological conditions under the care of a licensed physician after informed consent is obtained.

Gender affirming surgery is no different. I expect continuing studies of risks and benefits of specific procedures on various groups of patients will enable doctors, patients and families to make better decisions.

 

[Swimsailor]

I'm talking about permanent gender affirming interventions performed on children, not pierced ears.

Oh, so mutilation of a child is only unacceptable to you when it has to do with gender. Mutilation is cool when it's tradition.

I never asked you about pierced ears. I asked about circumcision, specifically.

Do you even remember how you started this thread?

 

[Dog 2.0]

Do social factors contribute to the onset of gender dysphoria in adolescents? One study suggests they may. The study found that parents of adolescents who identify as transgender were overwhelmingly white (91.4%) and college educated (70.9%) and liberal, favoring gay marriage (85.9). It also appears that associating with other people who identify as transgender may be a factor.

“Parents describe that the onset of gender dysphoria seemed to occur in the context of belonging to a peer group where one, multiple, or even all of the friends have become gender dysphoric and transgender-identified during the same timeframe”.

From the conclusions:

“Emerging hypotheses include the possibility of a potential new subcategory of gender dysphoria (referred to as rapid-onset gender dysphoria) that has not yet been clinically validated and the possibility of social influences and maladaptive coping mechanisms contributing to the development of gender dysphoria”.

So, if these findings hold up, we are be making surgical and chemical changes to the bodies of children to treat a condition brought on, or contributed to, by social influences.

Parent reports of adolescents and young adults perceived to show signs of a rapid onset of gender dysphoria | PLOS ONE

 

[Bus Driver]

Man, between making sure people don't do things with which he disapproves sure keeps Dog Deux busy.

 

[Ease the sheet.]

I'm still waiting for dog to post evidence of children having these surgeries.

 

[Bus Driver]

Once he and the other folks who think they should be able to monitor and control the choices of others get their way with this and transgender athletics, what will they turn to next?

 

[Dog 2.0]

Man, between making sure people don't do things with which he disapproves sure keeps Dog Deux busy.

Like gossip does to you.

 

[Bus Driver]

Mocking ≠ Gossip.

Pointing out hypocrisy ≠ Gossip.

 

[Dog 2.0]

I'm still waiting for dog to post evidence of children having these surgeries.

Number of transgender children seeking treatment surges in U.S.

About 42,000 U.S. children ages 6 to 17 were diagnosed with gender dysphoria in 2021, nearly triple the number in 2017, a unique data analysis for Reuters found.

www.reuters.com

 

[Dog 2.0]

Mocking ≠ Gossip.

Pointing out hypocrisy ≠ Gossip.

But you're not pointing out any hypocrisy.

 

[Bus Driver]

But you're not pointing out any hypocrisy.

Your posts are replete with hypocrisy.

 

[Dog 2.0]

Your posts are replete with hypocrisy.

Yours are replete with chatter. Like an old woman, ever considered joining a knitting group?

 

[Bus Driver]

Yours are replete with chatter. Like an old woman, ever considered joining a knitting group?

I note you do not deny being a hypocrite. Perhaps you are joining reality.

 

[Dog 2.0]

I note you do not deny being a hypocrite. Perhaps you are joining reality.

Why bother.

 

[Swimsailor]

Yours are replete with chatter. Like an old woman, ever considered joining a knitting group?

Why are you so scared of conversation and debate? You Dodge questions. You evade. You are a fearful little child.

 

[Bus Driver]

Why bother.

Good point. If you did, you'd be lying.

Again.

 

[Dog 2.0]

Why are you so scared of conversation and debate? You Dodge questions. You evade. You are a fearful little child.

Ok, let's get specific, I'm ok with non-life altering procedures with parental consent but opposed to gender affirming procedures like mastectomies on thirteen-year-old girls because they identify as a boy. Are you ok with thirteen-year-old girls getting mastectomies?

‘I literally lost organs:’ Why detransitioned teens regret changing genders

A look at the alarming rise of teens who are changing genders and then “detransitioning” back.

nypost.com

 

[Grrr...]

Ok, let's get specific, I'm ok with non-life altering procedures with parental consent but opposed to gender affirming procedures like mastectomies on thirteen-year-old girls because they identify as a boy. Are you ok with thirteen-year-old girls getting mastectomies?

‘I literally lost organs:’ Why detransitioned teens regret changing genders

A look at the alarming rise of teens who are changing genders and then “detransitioning” back.

nypost.com

So girl goes through procedure, decides she's made a mistake, then wants to take away that decision from others because she knows better.

Great.

I'm not saying parents are perfect. I'm not saying medical professionals are perfect. But when they are in agreement on the correct choice of action for an individual, it is not any of @Dog 2.0 's business what they do.

Note: You don't need EVERY doctor on the planet to agree. But if the doctors they are consulting agree, then get out of their business.

 

[Bus Driver]

Note: You don't need EVERY doctor on the planet to agree. But if the doctors they are consulting agree, then get out of their business.

Some folks believe the actions of others IS "their business".

 

[Swimsailor]

Ok, let's get specific, I'm ok with non-life altering procedures with parental consent but opposed to gender affirming procedures like mastectomies on thirteen-year-old girls because they identify as a boy. Are you ok with thirteen-year-old girls getting mastectomies?

‘I literally lost organs:’ Why detransitioned teens regret changing genders

A look at the alarming rise of teens who are changing genders and then “detransitioning” back.

nypost.com

First, I don't give any thought to an article in the NYP. Second, this is an issue between parents, the kids and their doctors. Just like abortion, it's none of your fucking business. And the legislation you support keeps Healthcare decisions in the hands of the government, not the teens, not the parents...but the fucking government. It also keeps very beneficial therapies, like puberty blockers, from being used so that kids, parents and doctors actually get the time they need to figure shit out. It also keeps said puberty blockers from kids, parents and doctors from assisting a 9 year old girl from having her period in 4th grade.