Booster shots for Omicron - listen to science or politicians?

The Dark Knight

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Are you happy to accept what your politicians say about the need to get boosters or do you prefer to listen science?

Of course out politicians listen to science and would never be influenced by the sales pitch of pharmaceutical companies, would they...

Here is an interview with Professor Robert Llewellyn Clancy https://centrefordigestivediseases.com/team/professor-robert-llewellyn-clancy/

This interview is very technical and it requires you to listen and try to understand, which is clearly not for some of the regular posters on CA. 

 What I take from this interview is that getting the vaccine was correct, and whilst it was not specifically discussed, but I get the feeling that "traditional" egg based vaccines are probably better. The biggest thing I take from this is that it is probably a mistake to go down the booster path and if you do, you will find it less and less effective. 

Too many people on CA are clearly incapable of questioning whether we are going down the correct path. 





BTW for the Aussies. Right at the end there was a discussion about the lengths of historical pandemics and a question about whether our approach is making this pandemic longer than need be. There is no answer other than a wait and see.

I would not be surprised if WA will cause Covid to hang around longer than necessary and that maybe the east coast of Aus will be wanting or should close the border to WA.  

 

The Dark Knight

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I listen to my doctors. Take their modal answer. 
Is your doctor an expert in immunology?

I'm guessing your Doctors are GP's, a generalist who reads the government published papers on Covid or perhaps specialists in unrelated area who also read the same papers.

I challenge you to watch and understand what is said in that video and pose questions to your doctor. Maybe they will have valid disagreements with what is said or maybe your doctor will then start to question and look at other papers.

 

ShortForBob

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I listen to my doctors. Take their modal answer. 
If you have the time to watch, it's actually very informative reasoned view. 

I wouldn't rely on it alone to make decisions about my health choices, though it does support my personal reluctance for MNRA vaccines and boosters.

I did check out the cred of the good professor before I spent an hour of my time watching it.

He's sound. 

 

The Dark Knight

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I wouldn't rely on it alone to make decisions about my health choices, though it does support my personal reluctance for MNRA vaccines and boosters. 
I agree. For those people who blindly follow government advise, this video might hopefully make them question what they have been told and start to research more, or as I suggested to Clueless, pose questions to their own doctors.

Doctors are not infallible and do not know everything, they are human.  

 

d'ranger

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If you have the time to watch, it's actually very informative reasoned view. 

I wouldn't rely on it alone to make decisions about my health choices, though it does support my personal reluctance for MNRA vaccines and boosters.

I did check out the cred of the good professor before I spent an hour of my time watching it.

He's sound. 
it's mRNA - I get really tired of people sowing doubts into things they have zero understanding of. Everyone I know, family and friends that I associate with has had the Pfizer or Moderna or both. Not a single person has had a reaction beyond a sore arm and in a few cases feeling bad for a day or so.  Those who have gotten covid had something like a bad cold or flu for a week or less. So why should I "do my own research"?   The people I follow have specialized in this field for decades.

Maybe I should look into quantum physics for something to do this weekend.

I could provide some analogies into this but it's a waste of time for those who think they are smarter than the experts.  Or trust your local doctor, some around here will give you horse wormer.

 

The Dark Knight

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it's mRNA - I get really tired of people sowing doubts into things they have zero understanding of. Everyone I know, family and friends that I associate with has had the Pfizer or Moderna or both. Not a single person has had a reaction beyond a sore arm and in a few cases feeling bad for a day or so.  Those who have gotten covid had something like a bad cold or flu for a week or less. So why should I "do my own research"?   The people I follow have specialized in this field for decades.

Maybe I should look into quantum physics for something to do this weekend.

I could provide some analogies into this but it's a waste of time for those who think they are smarter than the experts.  Or trust your local doctor, some around here will give you horse wormer.
If you watched the video you would understand Meli's point. It was not talking about side effects of the various vaccines. Clearly you are not intelligent enough to watch a video that talks about science stuff. 

Watch the video or fuck off Texan hick. You are no better or no worse that the Tumpites you hate.

 

Ease the sheet.

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it's mRNA - I get really tired of people sowing doubts into things they have zero understanding of. Everyone I know, family and friends that I associate with has had the Pfizer or Moderna or both. Not a single person has had a reaction beyond a sore arm and in a few cases feeling bad for a day or so.  Those who have gotten covid had something like a bad cold or flu for a week or less. So why should I "do my own research"?   The people I follow have specialized in this field for decades.

Maybe I should look into quantum physics for something to do this weekend.

I could provide some analogies into this but it's a waste of time for those who think they are smarter than the experts.  Or trust your local doctor, some around here will give you horse wormer.
mRNA has some very important advantages over traditional vaccine manufacturing.

Those advantages outweigh any disadvantage.

 

ShortForBob

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it's mRNA - I get really tired of people sowing doubts into things they have zero understanding of. Everyone I know, family and friends that I associate with has had the Pfizer or Moderna or both. Not a single person has had a reaction beyond a sore arm and in a few cases feeling bad for a day or so.  Those who have gotten covid had something like a bad cold or flu for a week or less. So why should I "do my own research"?   The people I follow have specialized in this field for decades.

Maybe I should look into quantum physics for something to do this weekend.

I could provide some analogies into this but it's a waste of time for those who think they are smarter than the experts.  Or trust your local doctor, some around here will give you horse wormer.
A question.

Did you watch the video?

I assure you it's a rare warm day in hell when I would usually endorse the viewing of anything posted by DK :rolleyes:

It's worth the hour.

 

Ease the sheet.

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If you watched the video you would understand Meli's point. It was not talking about side effects of the various vaccines. Clearly you are not intelligent enough to watch a video that talks about science stuff. 

Watch the video or fuck off Texan hick. You are no better or no worse that the Tumpites you hate.
Maybe your esteemed Dr could publish some peer reviewed study that supports his position?

 

The Dark Knight

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A question.

Did you watch the video?

I assure you it's a rare warm day in hell when I would usually endorse the viewing of anything posted by DK :rolleyes:

It's worth the hour.
Fuck, I can't believe I'm on the same side as you and even defended you.

I have no time for people who are incapable of questioning things. I guess that's why I don't like god botherers.  

 

The Dark Knight

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Maybe your esteemed Dr could publish some peer reviewed study that supports his position?
What he is saying is not as a result of a study/research which is usually what papers are written for (I assume) but his thoughts as a result of his understanding of and long career in the field of immunology plus I guess anecdotal evidence gathered from reading papers/reports about what's happening with covid.

 

ShortForBob

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mRNA has some very important advantages over traditional vaccine manufacturing.

Those advantages outweigh any disadvantage.
It's mainly explaining in a reasonably understandable way how our immune systems work and addresses his view about boosters and the advantages and disadvantages of MRNA and traditional vaccines. 

It's a bit controversial in that he does question the road we are on re boosters. 

Something you and I had doubts about when the topic of a fourth shot was discussed.

I'm not sure DK actually understood the thrust of the video himself.

 

Raz'r

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it's mRNA - I get really tired of people sowing doubts into things they have zero understanding of. Everyone I know, family and friends that I associate with has had the Pfizer or Moderna or both. Not a single person has had a reaction beyond a sore arm and in a few cases feeling bad for a day or so.  Those who have gotten covid had something like a bad cold or flu for a week or less. So why should I "do my own research"?   The people I follow have specialized in this field for decades.

Maybe I should look into quantum physics for something to do this weekend.

I could provide some analogies into this but it's a waste of time for those who think they are smarter than the experts.  Or trust your local doctor, some around here will give you horse wormer.
Exactly. I let someone else build my car, hired an architect to design my house, etc, etc, etc

Ridiculous. 

 

d'ranger

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A question.

Did you watch the video?

I assure you it's a rare warm day in hell when I would usually endorse the viewing of anything posted by DK :rolleyes:

It's worth the hour.
Why?

What he is saying is not as a result of a study/research which is usually what papers are written for (I assume) but his thoughts as a result of his understanding of and long career in the field of immunology plus I guess anecdotal evidence gathered from reading papers/reports about what's happening with covid.
So it's based on his opinions.  Casting doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccines however slight leads to reluctance to get vaccinated. Less than 60% of the US has decided not to and half of the people who have gotten the vaccines have not gotten the booster.  There were a little over 30 million covid cases until Omicron hit and in one month there were 20 million.  If you think I am a hick lets compare education and life experiences.

Feel free to fuckoff yourself.

 

ShortForBob

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Fuck, I can't believe I'm on the same side as you and even defended you.

I have no time for people who are incapable of questioning things. I guess that's why I don't like god botherers.  
Are you? I doubt that. 

All I'm doing is demonstrating a willingness to learn something about Covid 19 and our immune systems and actually read or listen to a link before posting. You? as just demonstrated on the Oz thread. Not at all.

 

The Dark Knight

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Why?

So it's based on his opinions.  Casting doubt on the effectiveness of the vaccines however slight leads to reluctance to get vaccinated. Less than 60% of the US has decided not to and half of the people who have gotten the vaccines have not gotten the booster.  There were a little over 30 million covid cases until Omicron hit and in one month there were 20 million.  If you think I am a hick lets compare education and life experiences.

Feel free to fuckoff yourself.
He never cast doubts about the vaccines, which you'd realise if you watch the video. Booster effectiveness, was another matter.

Watch the video or fuck off. 

 
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