boy is this girl in for a surprise..

[Ajax]

Are you that stupid?


Energy In Depth’ Was Created By Major Oil and Gas Companies According to Industry Memo

Must you pollute a civil discussion with your vitriol?  Can we just talk without you being an aggressive asshole, labeling everyone as "rich, white cunts?"  I'm open to different viewpoints. No need to scream.

 

[KC375]

All we're talking about is snippin' and tyin' tubes after one child for awhile until this map looks like Europe and Japan worldwide:

Why the population explosion in Oman? Refugees from Yemen?

 

[Ajax]

I was about to ... https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Energy_in_Depth

Ah, I see. Thanks for pointing that out, and thanks for doing it in a civil way.  I stand corrected. I'll try to do a better job of sourcing my cites.

 

[kent_island_sailor]

Random - thanks a ton for PA-ing this thread. Everyone who wants to be like that has plenty of chances on every thread over there. Why not leave this to a friendly sailor's discussion before the bar opens and leave PA to what happens after we're all shit-faced, OK

 

[random]

Must you pollute a civil discussion with your vitriol?  Can we just talk without you being an aggressive asshole, labeling everyone as "rich, white cunts?"  I'm open to different viewpoints. No need to scream.

The answer is Yes,

Too late for politeness when it comes the the future of the planet.

Rich White Cunts are the problem.  That includes me, but at least I recognise it.

 

[NORBowGirl]

Hope she doesn't fart a lot.  Carbon footprint, you know. 

And she is self described as autistic. 

Aspergers. 

 

[duncan (the other one)]

All we're talking about is snippin' and tyin' tubes after one child for awhile until this map looks like Europe and Japan worldwide:

actually - the best way to reduce population growth is cheap energy and subsequent wealth.

Bring those people out of poverty and their birth rate will fall.

 

[random]

and leave PA to what happens after we're all shit-faced, OK

Get shit faced instead of facing up to life. 

 

[Israel Hands]

perioecus and random come over to crack about their self-hatred issues

 

[kent_island_sailor]

This is an interesting concept but it *might* end up as a regressive tax that unduly burdens the poor more than the middle or wealthy classes.

Low income people are often forced to use forms of energy and transportation that are the least efficient and in the worst operating condition. (think worn out appliances, air conditioning, worn out used automobiles, etc).  Low income people do not have the $26k that I just dropped on residential solar panel installations.  Many low income people do not have access to decent mass transportation and so drive low cost, but inefficient vehicles to work each day just to survive. Many low income people rent from landlords who are NOT interested in upgrading their rental properties to be energy efficient.

It's odd, but as my income has risen over the years, it has become easier for me to be environmentally responsible.

- I can afford to pay the higher food prices at local farmer's markets

- I was able to purchase a solar array that has totally negated my energy consumption from the power grid

- I can afford an electric vehicle and power it from my solar array

- I was able to afford to upgrade all of my appliances to newer, energy and water efficient versions.

Presumably, the easiest methods of taxing carbon would be to tie it to an individual's utility bills and adding a carbon tax at the fuel pump.  God help 'em if the individual draws their electricity from a coal fired power plant, and is low income, drawing large amounts of electricity. Then, they pay more in tax at the fuel pump because their car is in bad tune and guzzles fuel.

It *will be* regressive. My main hobbies are flying and sailing and every price increase in either activity knocks a chunk of the lower end right out of the hobby.

Every kind of gas tax, congestion tax (Lexus Lanes on I-495), tax on electricity, etc. etc. hits the people with no margin to spare the hardest. Transitioning a huge spread out country to urban EU style living with $8/gal gas and everyone riding the S-Bahn is not something easily done without a lot of pain.

 

[random]

Bring those people out of poverty and their birth rate will fall.

So you do know the definition of poverty right?

 

[NORBowGirl]

She's a 16 yr old girl, you guys don't think there's a head with privacy.

Edit

They agreed to take on a 16 yr old girl as crew across the Atlantic ocean.

You don't think there's an enclosed head?

There isn't. 

But they've put up a certain for her so she can have some privacy. 

 

[random]

Aspergers. 

But is she "really really good-looking"?

 

[random]

If anything happens to her we can save this one


Arron Banks jokes about Greta Thunberg and 'freak yachting accidents'

 

[kent_island_sailor]

That is really low

I hope she has fun and inspires some junior sailors.

 

[12345]

The problem I see with that is that they protest climate change, not the complete & undeniable source of the climate change.

if they really wanted to change the course of things they would protest population increases.

The solution

To pollution

Is....

Awwww Heck! You all know what the solution to pollution is.

Population growth is slowing and in industrialized countries some are going negative. Population in the world is currently (2018-2019) growing at a rate of around 1.07% per year (down from 1.09% in 2018, 1.12% in 2017 and 1.14% in 2016).

You are a one trick pony with that constant refrain. 

 

[Grrr...]

The problem I see with that is that they protest climate change, not the complete & undeniable source of the climate change.

if they really wanted to change the course of things they would protest population increases.

The solution

To pollution

Is....

Awwww Heck! You all know what the solution to pollution is.

So is it your standpoint that we should end any polution control activities if they don't involve reducing the world's population?

 

[Ajax]

The answer is Yes,

Too late for politeness when it comes the the future of the planet.

Rich White Cunts are the problem.  That includes me, but at least I recognise it.

Right-O. On "Ignore" you go, then.

 

[Parma]

So which one of you claiming this is The Solution will throw yourselves off a cliff first?

Nobody is suggesting that mass suicide or pogroms are a part of this solution. But if there is to be any real progress made towards reducing the amount of pollution in the world the population of the world will need to be reduced. Hopefully voluntarily, but economic incentives, such as a sales tax based on the number of children one has, might play a role.

I realize that there will be a lot of people with 3 or more children who will take great offense at the implication that they are the source of the problem, but we should not seek to assign blame. Rather the idea is to get people to think about the disease itself, not the symptoms of the disease.

Simply put, if the population of then world remains at or near it's current levels the amount of environmental degradation will remain at or near it's current levels. And please don't pretend that "green energy" will save us. People consume material and produce waste, most of that waste toxic to the environment.

 

[Parma]

So is it your standpoint that we should end any polution control activities if they don't involve reducing the world's population?

No, of course not. But without some effort towards population reduction even strong pollution control/reduction activities would merely slow the process of environmental degradation. The two go hand in hand.

If this girl had made her trip about population reduction I'd be applauding her. But I can't expect her, or many others, to object to themselves. That's hard.