Brexit WTF, WTF

[The Q]

Thirdly only the UK insists on using "celotex" (a highly flammable and energy intensive type of insulant backed by aluminium), most of us on the continent use "rock wool", recycled cotton or wood fiber based insulation.

Should I point out Celotex is owned by Saint-Gobain a French company, it was after SG bought Celotex pressure was put on by SG to get Celotex authorised for high rise use..

As it was it was incorrectly installed in Grenfell, creating a 300 ft chimney, and also they moved the plastic window surrounds out to the outer edge edge of the insulation, therefore Breaking the sealed boxes that blocks of flats depend on for safety. hence the number of deaths..

 

[Waynemarlow]

You should try and burn the Celotex of today, almost totally inflammable, in 2017 you could put it on your bonfire and watch it ignite with the mearest hint of a bit of flame. Also note for almost 3 months after Grenfell magically there was a Celotex shortage in the UK, apparently one of plants producing it had production problems, very coincidental of course

 

[Panoramix]

Should I point out Celotex is owned by Saint-Gobain a French company, it was after SG bought Celotex pressure was put on by SG to get Celotex authorised for high rise use..

As it was it was incorrectly installed in Grenfell, creating a 300 ft chimney, and also they moved the plastic window surrounds out to the outer edge edge of the insulation, therefore Breaking the sealed boxes that blocks of flats depend on for safety. hence the number of deaths..

Did not know that, presumably they had to buy it to get into the British market. AFAIU the stuff used at Grenfell wasn't building regs compliant for high rise. may be I am wrong as Grenfell happened after I left the UK and followed it from far away...

Here Saint Gobain mainly sells "glass wool". Don't have a high esteem of them... Whereas I've prescribed lot of celotex style stuff in the UK, never used it in France, it is just not common I am not even sure where to source it.

 

[Laser1]

why can’t we let this thread die or move it to PA

You have been beating that drum for some time now, unsuccessfully I may add. Brexit is not done by a long shot and it's failings are getting more painful for the UK day by day. You just want to bury this thread and your misguided views in PA. No way cupcake!

 

[Waynemarlow]

At least Sholz had a good day unlike some Mind you his approval ratings are now around those of Boris during Partygate. Don’t hear many calls for his resignation by you guys.

 

[Vieux Port]

nailed it me thinks

 

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[LeoV]

Ah, very silent as it is clear Brexit did not solve any problem but only created more. All was so predictable and now coming to fruition.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Ah, very silent as it is clear Brexit did not solve any problem but only created more. All was so predictable and now coming to fruition.

I guess a Pandemic striking the World and the Ukranian war on our doorsteps with its gas price inflation, was part of your predictions of the downsides of Brexit. Bet the next thing that you will be blaming Brexit for are all the strikes occurring in the UK, alongside the EU's cooling of the financing and supply of arms to the Ukraine ( just wait until the winter when the real gas crisis starts to bite and it should be interesting as and when Macron comes up with a plan to give the Donbas region to Putin as a winners trophy all to enable the warming of the citizens of the EU arses over the winter ).

Get ready LeoV to really feel to the bottom of your pockets for the last dime, the EU is going to demand it or it will fail, it can't keep the money printing presses going for much longer now that Germany is going into full time recession.

 

[Laser1]

I guess a Pandemic striking the World and the Ukranian war on our doorsteps with its gas price inflation, was part of your predictions of the downsides of Brexit.

Johnson will seek to blame much of Britain’s dire state on the war in Ukraine, just as he managed to blame the hit to the British economy caused by Brexit on the Covid lockdowns. He will not be entirely wrong: the war is undoubtedly exacerbating Britain’s economic problems. But the truth is that we were in deep trouble on multiple fronts long before Russia invaded Ukraine, and that Johnson’s incompetent government had — and still has — not the faintest idea what to do about that.

 

[Waynemarlow]

So in hindsight you would have preferred to have Jeremy Corbyn at the helm ?

To be fair Laser1, there are few if any politicians in the world who have been in this combination of circumstances and probably even fewer who genuinely have any idea of what to do.

Perhaps one could think of Johnson in a different way, that of being thankful you are not going to have to pay the future EU bar bill as well as the UK's bill when they finally get put on the table.

 

[Flaming]

So in hindsight you would have preferred to have Jeremy Corbyn at the helm ?

To be fair Laser1, there are few if any politicians in the world who have been in this combination of circumstances and probably even fewer who genuinely have any idea of what to do.

Perhaps one could think of Johnson in a different way, that of being thankful you are not going to have to pay the future EU bar bill as well as the UK's bill when they finally get put on the table.

Don't forget that Johnson and the Brexit gang went ahead with leaving on 31st December 2020, during Covid, despite being offered an extension, to delay the actual leaving, due to Covid.
So despite being in the midst of a pandemic, and the severe impacts that was having on the economy, they actively chose to add to that Brexit. which their own government analysis said was going to cause harm to the economy.

So don't give me this "circumstances" rubbish. Pressing ahead with Brexit, despite Covid, was an active choice made by Johnson.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Pressing ahead with Brexit, despite Covid, was an active choice made by Johnson.

Correct, after all he was elected with an 80 seat majority on that basis.

Did you really expect him to say, well actually we should now stay in the EU, pay all the Covid recovery funds demanded of us by the EU as we were still in the EU, pay our proportion of the vaccines across the EU, you know all that sort of thing ?

 

[Flaming]

Correct, after all he was elected with an 80 seat majority on that basis.

Did you really expect him to say, well actually we should now stay in the EU, pay all the Covid recovery funds demanded of us by the EU as we were still in the EU, pay our proportion of the vaccines across the EU, you know all that sort of thing ?

What I expected a sensible PM to say would be "This is not the time to inflict a large upheaval on our economy. We shall wait until the world has settled down before completing this process"

But since it was Johnson I expected him to say "wiffle, waff, wiff, Get Brexit Done, Wobble, Churchill, pass the champers".

Which he did.

 

[Waynemarlow]

When was the last sensible PM in any country ?

 

[LeoV]

Not in a country with voters like you.

Get ready LeoV to really feel to the bottom of your pockets for the last dime, the EU is going to demand it or it will fail, it can't keep the money printing presses going for much longer now that Germany is going into full time recession.

Says more about your fears then mine, so you are feeling the bottom of your wallet. You are paying the UK more in taxes due to Brexit.
Idiots always project their fears on someone else.

The only thing successful is the end of FOM, and that or an ageing country... smart move dumbasses.

 

[Waynemarlow]

The only thing successful is the end of FOM, and that or an ageing country... smart move dumbasses.

But LeoV we have higher immigration into the country than ever, you need to quantify that.

 

[dogwatch]

So in hindsight you would have preferred to have Jeremy Corbyn at the helm ?

No, I'd have preferred Rory Stewart. Failing him, Jeremy Hunt. What we are seeing in both main British parties is the catastrophic fall-out of adopting something approximating the US system of primaries at the precise point that system broke down at its home.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Says more about your fears then mine, so you are feeling the bottom of your wallet. You are paying the UK more in taxes due to Brexit.
Idiots always project their fears on someone else.

Just as a quick reminder to LeoV

Brexit and new budget rules mean Dutch contribution to EU is set to soar - DutchNews.nl

The Netherlands’ contribution to the EU may rise 62.5% over the next few years, the Financieele Dagblad said on Tuesday. Sources have told the paper that if the European Commission manages to get its new spending plans approved, the annual Dutch contribution will soar to €13bn by 2027. Next...

www.dutchnews.nl

 

[Waynemarlow]

No, I'd have preferred Rory Stewart. Failing him, Jeremy Hunt.

Both failed candidates by a fairly large margin, do you always back losers ?