I'd settle for a major party that was prepared to put PR in its manifesto, I'd vote for that
Brexit WTF, WTF
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AnIdiot
Sock
The problem Liz Truss faces over Brexit is that it isn’t ageing very well
Being in the EU is the more popular option in polls now, writes John Curtice, because those who did not or could not vote in 2016 – such as younger people – support rejoining by more than three to one
www.independent.co.uk
Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
So, you had better go out campaigning for at least the next 20 years and hope the Euro doesn’t go bust in the meantime.
In that 20 years those youngsters get older and wiser, would they still have the views as today, history would say probably not.
In that 20 years those youngsters get older and wiser, would they still have the views as today, history would say probably not.
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
Same fault lines exist in much of Europe, France , Germany, Spain, Italy and Holland for example where the status quo has been challenged by hard left and hard right. What is fascinating is UK actually has not had major incursions from outside the main left/right parties of Labour and Tories. The anti-establishment & anti-EU vote is strong in many member states
Vast majority of people I speak to don't consider Brexit a relevant issue today. There is little appetite to re-open the discussion.
Tory divisions are more about centre (even centre-left) vs centre-right. Boris turned into a big state spend-a-holic. Brexit not much of an issue really
This podcast featuring top political professor Matt Goodwin is worth watching/listening to
Triggernomitry
Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
Was it from a Guardian article, one of Wee Nanny Nicholas or Jack Sparrows missives ?
AnIdiot
Sock
Those are two very different things you are conflating: IMHO, people think Brexit is very much a relevant issue and it's impacts are still building.
There is little appetite to re-open discussions because positions are entrenched and the topic is toxic. Unless you are very confident that the people you are with share your views it is rude to raise the subject- can you think of a topic more likely to ruin a dinner with colleagues (or new friends/relatives)?
Centre? You forgot the irony font. Tories left the centre after 2015 and have been moving ever further right since. A brief public spending splurge doesn't make them left wing.
Whinging Pom
Super Anarchist
Tories inherited all the swivelly eyed lot from Ukip et al.
Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
But only the really hard line Remainers still persist in raising the issue, most people I know who voted remain have accepted the democratic decision and moved on. We could do with a few here on this thread perhaps admitting that there is no going back and moving on with their lives.
Aren't you confusing a different economic outlook on how say the Conservatives would like to see lower taxes and less state intervention in everyones day to day lives with say a Labour government who would like to see greater taxation and greater state interventions as left wing and right wing. Much of Boris's libertarian views were no different than Keirs in some ways and yet you are prepared to label the Conservatives as Right Wing and not say the Labour Party of Blairs
AnIdiot
Sock
Well, that rather proves the point, doesn't it? The silent majority don't bring it up so that they don't cause offense.
You keep saying it, still doesn't make it true.
The damage can't be undone, true, we will never get the terms that were in place when we left but it's pretty obvious that our best hope for the future is to reintegrate with the EU, on the best terms that we can and as soon as is practical.
No, I'm not.
...and I have never said that I would not label the "Labour Party of Blairs" as right wing (or anything else for that matter).
Edit- corrected the reference for clarity.
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cms
Super Anarchist
Bloody hell. I hope he doesn't have offspring...
Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
Jack why be such a tosser. Would any sane man put that in writing, I guess only An Idiot would ?
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Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
Just listened to Wee Nanny Nicholas key conference speech, talk about being on magic mushrooms. Almost a total propaganda speech on how the SNP are going to get the job done and the rest whining about the Tories. Where was the actual detail on how she was going to do it ?
Black Sox
Super Anarchist
Anyone else see the irony of the reflection here? Yeah, I edited it.
AnIdiot
Sock
Whoosh!
dogwatch
Super Anarchist
The correct question is: Have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?
AnIdiot
Sock
Fair point, well made. I've edited my post to clarify.
Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
Jack, tssk, I'm getting that little vibe that you are having another little temper tantrum again. Careful you don't get your sock puppet Anidiot flicked, we are in new owners hands which might not be as tolerant as Clean.
AnIdiot
Sock
cms
Super Anarchist
So glad that I have Whyne on ignore and only get sensible responses to his nonsense.
