Brexit WTF, WTF

[dfw_sailor]

And completely off topic, but relevant...

A British EE who does occasional work for me is in his late 60s, he has C (but managed/remission), had open heart last year, and has just now been told needs to lose all his teeth. Had private insurance but no dental. NHS has a 2-3 yr wait list. Oh and his car broke down big time, so further private pay dental investigation has to wait.

And his wife just had her second leg amputated, but as he said it doesn't make much difference because she couldn't really walk with just one anyway.

And of course high inflation, energy costs etc but that is world wide and largely Putin / UK / EU scrimping on infrastructure.

Hint: perhaps if the pollies focused on fixing internal problems instead of sucking up to the oligarchs and hedgies, the country might just start moving forward again.

 

[Jambalaya]

I'll just leave this here.

Project Fear was right all along

Six years of policy confusion and ineptitude has brought a calamitous loss of standing

www.telegraph.co.uk

Project Fear has been proven to be just that. Simply none of the calamitous predictions have come to pass. Vast majority of people haven't noticed any negative Brexit impacts at all. Main exception has been Northern Ireland where protocol (as intended by Dublin/Brussels) has caused significant disruption.

As I posted before I have overstayed the 90/180 day EU limit substantially with my passport stamped in/out each time. Customs just don't care and have never bothered to even try and add up all the days

 

[Jambalaya]

Looking forward to Wayne's response.

A big price to pay to have the freedom of the deregulated sausage englaise.

Trivia question: what episode of which UK 20th century comedy show used the term 'sausage englaise'?

Britain, the little country that would if it could, but can't because it had a hissy fit.

And the bullies in the sand pit (pollies) are either hiding in the corner or throwing sand in each other's eyes instead of working out how to fix things.

Britian the European country which has dominated the foreign policy response to Putin's invasion of Ukraine whilst France tries to i and Germany cowers in terror it's manufacturing industry totally dependent on electricity generated by Russian gas

 

[Jambalaya]

Were are the sunlit uplands ?

Well at least we don't have a Parliament full of right wing extremists, we are not hostage to Putin's energy whims and we can actually buy petrol and diesel unlike in France at the moment

Uplands ... we have only just begun

Democracy won (unlike in France, Denmark, Ireland where they were made to cote again or just ignored)
New trade deals with Australia and a better deal with Japan than EU
New security deal with US & Australia with added bonus of Aus cancelling French submarine contract
Europe leading foreign policy response to Putin
Points based immigration system
Improved financial sector regulation esp Insurance

 

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[LeoV]

Jamba scraping the barrel, Wayne with denial. Poor guys, just seeing your pet project being a failure..

 

[LeoV]

 

[Waynemarlow]

Jamba scraping the barrel, Wayne with denial. Poor guys, just seeing your pet project being a failure..

Why so, almost all of the whinging by the FT is due to COVID and not Brexit. I gave up watching the vid when some girlie was whinging about not being able to sell tea to some far flung piece of the EU. For ferk sake, we are trying to limit damage to the planet and yet the FT is advocating something creating huge shipping miles, when the buyer could walk to the end of the street and buy locally near or the same equivalent.

Nah if they have to resort to that sort of example then I’m quite happy with my and my staffs rise in wages due to not having to compete with the cheap and mostly so called skilled labour that had flooded my sector. Interesting for me is that half my work was picking up the pieces when that so called skilled labour couldn’t perform basic tasks ending up costing my competitors money. Easy pickings when you are fixing a competitors problems.

Perhaps now that the race to the lowest wage has stopped, our productivity problems may start to be resolved. For all the FT’s biased account, there has been a much needed change in our society in the way we treat workers with training and employers wanting to hold onto their employees, something that simply wasn‘t there prior to Brexit.

 

[Jambalaya]

Jamba scraping the barrel, Wayne with denial. Poor guys, just seeing your pet project being a failure..

How is democracy scraping the barrel ? The French voted against the EU Constitution in their referendum but had the same forced down their throats by Sarkozy dressed up as the Lisbon Treaty. We in the UK are made of sterner stuff

Since the Brexit Referendum the UK has outperformed Germany in terms of GDP growth.

We are only just beginning to get into our post Brexit stride.

 

[Jambalaya]

Wales who voted for a devolved administration by 50.3% to 48.7%

Welsh FM implemented the toughest lockdown and travel restrictions and crushed his own economy. Of course he expects Westminster to bail him out

 

[Waynemarlow]

The really funny thing was the question was about health in Wales which the current administration is fully in charge of. Nothing to do with Westminster at all.

 

[FinnFish]

Wales who voted for a devolved administration by 50.3% to 48.7%

Welsh FM implemented the toughest lockdown and travel restrictions and crushed his own economy. Of course he expects Westminster to bail him out

Funny how the intensity of squabbling is inversely proportional to the size of the scraps on offer.

 

[Flaming]

Well at least we don't have a Parliament full of right wing extremists, we are not hostage to Putin's energy whims and we can actually buy petrol and diesel unlike in France at the moment

Uplands ... we have only just begun

Democracy won (unlike in France, Denmark, Ireland where they were made to cote again or just ignored)
New trade deals with Australia and a better deal with Japan than EU
New security deal with US & Australia with added bonus of Aus cancelling French submarine contract
Europe leading foreign policy response to Putin
Points based immigration system
Improved financial sector regulation esp Insurance

Good god almighty you are delusional.

 

[dogwatch]

Well at least we don't have a Parliament full of right wing extremists

True. It is only half-full.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Good god almighty you are delusional.

Historical facts may just be on Jamba’s side here.

 

[Flaming]

Historical facts may just be on Jamba’s side here.

What the Aus trade deal being anything to shout about and the Japan one being better....?

The Japan one is basically substitution but with some areas, esp agriculture, being at a distinct disadvantage.

For example, the UK reportedly wanted to receive quotas for some agricultural products which could be exported with a lower tariff than normal. Instead the UK will be able to use whatever’s left over from the EU’s quota with Japan, potentially putting UK exporters at a disadvantage.

Is the UK's trade deal with Japan better than the EU's? - Full Fact

We don’t know how much better the UK-Japan trade deal is compared to the EU-Japan deal, but it isn’t expected to be worse.

fullfact.org

Meanwhile UK goods exports to the EU are down 18%. With no corresponding increase in exports to the ROW to compensate.

Comparing our recent overall trade performance with other advanced economies suggests that the UK saw a similar collapse in exports as other countries at the start of the pandemic but has since missed out on much of the recovery in global trade.d UK and aggregate advanced economy goods export volumes fell by around 20 per cent during the initial wave of the pandemic in 2020. But by the fourth quarter of 2021 total advanced economy trade volumes had rebounded to 3 per cent above their pre-pandemic levels while UK exports remain around 12 per cent below (Chart I, left panel). The UK therefore appears to have become a less trade intensive economy, with trade as a share of GDP falling 12 per cent since 2019, two and a half times more than in any other G7 country

The latest evidence on the impact of Brexit on UK trade - Office for Budget Responsibility

Our March 2022 EFO was published just over a year since the end of the transition period. In this box, we presented the latest evidence for the impact of Brexit on UK trade and considered the UK's recent trade performance relative to other advanced economies.

obr.uk

 

[Flaming]

Which is what is delusional.

The idea that leaving the EU was ever going to be financially beneficial to the UK. Apart from for the very rich of course...

The idea that a trade deal with Australia makes up for the losses in EU trade.
The idea that duplicating regulatory regimes (see the chemicals lady in the video) is anything other than extra cost for no benefit.

Argue all you want about sovereignty, but when you strip away the bollocks about better trade deals etc, you're basically just left shouting about immigrants.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Meanwhile UK goods exports to the EU are down 18%. With no corresponding increase in exports to the ROW to compensate.

Do you really think that being only 18% down in a world pandemic and effectively another European War, is all down to Brexit ?

For me personally I would say that was the dross and fluff we produced that was no longer being bought because people no longer needed nor could afford dross and fluff. Should those firms involved such as your tea sellor and jewellery maker you so proudly used as examples, diverge and fill some of the import market goods arriving, then that in my view would be far preferable than whining about selling tea in the EU.

Immigrants, sure but just look at how high our immigration numbers are at the present, higher than when we were in the EU. Are people complaining about immigration, they are demanding even more to fill their low wage immigrant addiction, fortunately we can pick and choose as a society whether we want a higher immigration number, unlike when we were in the EU.

 

[Flaming]

Do you really think that being only 18% down in a world pandemic and effectively another European War, is all down to Brexit ?

For me personally I would say that was the dross and fluff we produced that was no longer being bought because people no longer needed nor could afford dross and fluff. Should those firms involved such as your tea sellor and jewellery maker you so proudly used as examples, diverge and fill some of the import market goods arriving, then that in my view would be far preferable than whining about selling tea in the EU.

Immigrants, sure but just look at how high our immigration numbers are at the present, higher than when we were in the EU. Are people complaining about immigration, they are demanding even more to fill their low wage immigrant addiction, fortunately we can pick and choose as a society whether we want a higher immigration number, unlike when we were in the EU.

You rubbish the "tea seller" and Jewlrey maker, thus proving that you don't know anything at all about how real SMEs actually work. The things that you dismiss as "dross and fluff" are someone's living.

It is also eminently notable that you haven't made any disparaging comments about the experiences of the chemicals business.

Over the same period German exports are up. As are a large number of countries that we habitually compare ourselves to.
Did they not have a pandemic?

And what else happened at the start of 2020 that may have caused UK goods exports to lag well behind comparable nations? Why aren't they growing like the Eurozone exports now? I mean, our currency is weak, we're largely over the supply problems that we saw through 2020 and 2021, game on for export growth surely.... Yet.....

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[huey 2]

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