Brexit WTF, WTF

Well we’ve tried asking the people who promoted the course of action what the benefits are… but they don’t seem to be able to come up with anything coherent…
From the man who complains bitterly that he can’t employ anyone to fill his low paid jobs nor will any of the locals fill those vacancies. Sounds more like the employment conditions and wages are not competitive to the local employment rates than anything to do with Brexit.
 

Jambalaya

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Well we’ve tried asking the people who promoted the course of action what the benefits are… but they don’t seem to be able to come up with anything coherent…

We have answered this question more than once, look back. Whatever we say you are so blind you won't see it or accept what we see as a big and truly historic success.

EDIT: you can read what Lord Frost said, I am sure I posted a link a while back. Same topic was discussed last night briefly on GB News, Mark Dolan pointed out that we are free of the European Superstate Project. That is so important and liberating. He also noted the huge sovereign debt crises the eurozone faces. Unsolvable without material reform and richer member states agreeing to be liable for all euro sovereign debt
 
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Laser1

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This shitshow is starting to unravel. Good !!
Strike 2 :

Brexit blow: exports to Japan slump after ‘landmark’ free trade deal

The first major free trade agreement signed by Britain after Brexit has been branded a failure after new figures showed exports had fallen since it came into force.
 
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Oh Laser1 when are you going to get a bit of sense in your thinking rather than just try to points score, I don't think a fall off of sales to Japan is unique to the UK, Japan is in a real bind at the moment and suffering financially like every other country in the world.

Being down only $0.4B hardly constitutes a crash and can only be a Guardian newspaper headline designed for its readers. A friend of mine actually exports to Japan and he reckons its the hardest sell he's ever experienced at the moment.

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dogwatch

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we are free of the European Superstate Project.

That is not what was written on the side of the bus, which was a claimed and quantifiable economic advantage.

If that was true, then it should be demonstrable by now. If it was false, Leave voters were sold a pup and sooner or later, we will be knocking on Brussels door to rejoin in some shape or form.
 

Jambalaya

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That is not what was written on the side of the bus, which was a claimed and quantifiable economic advantage.

If that was true, then it should be demonstrable by now. If it was false, Leave voters were sold a pup and sooner or later, we will be knocking on Brussels door to rejoin in some shape or form.

The bus was genius. It caused our opponents to loose their minds and to focus entirely on whether we gave the EU £350m or £200m a week. It set the entire conversation onto vote Leave's strongest ground. Remain's argument of "but but but it's only £200m week" was referendum gold for Leavers

We will never knock on the EU's door. I am absolutely confident that even a future Labour government will not seek a closer relationship. They are well aware that their core vote is against it. Red Wall and all that.
 

Jambalaya

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Strike 2 :

Brexit blow: exports to Japan slump after ‘landmark’ free trade deal

The first major free trade agreement signed by Britain after Brexit has been branded a failure after new figures showed exports had fallen since it came into force.

The UK has basically the same trade deal with Japan as we would have had if we had remained a member. Remainers went to great lengths to rubbish it as only a "roll over"

This piece by the Guardian/Observer is literally clutching at straws
 
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Flaming

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We have answered this question more than once, look back. Whatever we say you are so blind you won't see it or accept what we see as a big and truly historic success.

EDIT: you can read what Lord Frost said, I am sure I posted a link a while back. Same topic was discussed last night briefly on GB News, Mark Dolan pointed out that we are free of the European Superstate Project. That is so important and liberating. He also noted the huge sovereign debt crises the eurozone faces. Unsolvable without material reform and richer member states agreeing to be liable for all euro sovereign debt
This is just where we are at completely cross purposes.

You see being out of "the european superstate" as an advantage in its own right, and see that in itself as a big and truly historic success.

But that isn't the actual question you're being asked. The question you're being asked is "why is being out better?" And more particularly, "why is it so advantageous that it outweighs the disadvantages that we see in our actual day to day dealings." That is the question that is NOT being answered.
I've detailed the extra costs that I'm seeing as a direct result of us leaving, and leaving in the way we did. NOBODY can answer the simple question of "Where is the upside for my business?"
Or, maybe it's the case that some firms will see only costs, but others will benefit? Ok, not ideal, but which ones? Can you give an example of what sort of firm will actually benefit. (Other than customs import/export agents...)

Or how about the individual? We know what we've all lost - the right to move freely about 28 countries with no limit on how long we could stay (providing we can support ourselves), work in any of them etc etc..
But what have we gained? What can I do now that I couldn't before? What opportunities are opening up for young people today that didn't exist before?

You can decry the "European superstate" as much as you like. And I fully accept that not wanting to be part of it is a legitimate point of view. But when you actually dig into it, the "benefits" to leaving are somewhat ethereal and depend entirely on you having a predisposition to not wanting to share sovereignty with others.
When you look at opportunity for trade, for business, and for the individual, there is no doubt whatsoever that leaving was the worse option. And that's what I have meant by owning it. You got what you want, but you absolutely refuse to accept that for huge numbers of people it comes with a real cost.

And the eurozone debt crisis is an absolute red herring, having no relevance to Brexit. We were not in the eurozone....
 

Flaming

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From the man who complains bitterly that he can’t employ anyone to fill his low paid jobs nor will any of the locals fill those vacancies. Sounds more like the employment conditions and wages are not competitive to the local employment rates than anything to do with Brexit.
If that's what you took from my posts, you have serious reading comprehension problem.
 

LeoV

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Regarding Wayne import Export Statista.

First read the headline;
It is about the EU goods circulating in and out of the UK economy.
Simple explainer; it is the French products in a UK car sold back to EU kind of statistics.

Took me 3 seconds to spot the difference between; in and to.
Another 2 seconds that this statistic shows UK are using more EU products with regards to their internal market. The opposite of Brexit, hilarious.
But the questions is it inflation corrected or not.
 
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