Brexit WTF, WTF

[Ronja-express]

I like the word 'Bregret', sounds funny.
Normally we germans have the funny words.

On a more serious note:
I would like to know how those voting pro Brexit evaluate the results.
In my view the goalposts were moved around several times.

Is independence in itself enough?
And what would be a price too high for that?
I am still interested in learning and still try to unterstand.

Jamba, I wrote about that lie on the red bus.

Just to make sure we have the same facts:
UK never paid 350 million£/week (because of the rebate).
It was closer to 250 million£/week, of which a lot was running back to UK.
So we are talking about a lie worth much more than 100 million£/week.

Question #1: Is this the way you want to see the bright future started?
Question #2: Can you show me a lie from Labour of that size?
Question #3: You wrote something like 'they all lie'.

If you mean politicians, I have bad news for you.
My boss is a politician as well and even served in the german parliament for four years.
He is in a party I have never voted for.
We are for sure absolutely different in our politic view on the world.

But he never gave me any reason to believe he is a liar.
Never ever.
I don't think he is the only one.

For me that sounds like a point from somebody who has given up trying to make some sense of crazy politics.
People are more and more cynical.
I understand- especially with the bad performance of the Labour Party - people lost a clear view on politics.
So they turn to emotion.

And we all - me included - tend to bend the facts we know to our underlying opinions.
We need a lot of self control to recognize when we do that.
I suspect many people are not able to do that any more.
I think that is true on all sides of the argument.

Holger

 

[dogwatch]

Do you understand the origin and intended meaning of “shooting yourself in the foot”?

shoot yourself in the foot​

to do something without intending to which spoils a situation for yourself

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/shoot-in-the-foot

which is how it was used above. What do you think it means?

 

[dogwatch]

Tory MPs really have shot themselves in both feet by removing Boris playing into the hands of their opponents and against the wishes of their members and voters. Labour have done basically nothing except keep their heads down and now look nailed on to win an outright majority.

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Spectator proudly prints all view points (I am a subscriber).

And I'm a daily reader of their website. Coverage of EU news is overwhelmingly negative.

Trumpeting those pathetic levels of support for BoJo among the general public is absurd and a fine demonstration of why election of a party leader by a tiny number of self-selected members is a deeply crap idea. Yes I know other parties do it too, with at times equally lamentable results. Oh Jeremy Corbyn.

 

[Black Sox]

My understanding is that it originated in WWI, a self-inflicted wound that was enough to get you off the front line and home, but not so serious that you risked death or serious injury.

I heard it in reference to British officers at the time.

No offence intended to British people. I would probably have eaten my own leg off to get out of that situation.

 

[dogwatch]

The usual meaning of shoot yourself in the foot is that it is an unintentional error. Look up the many dictionary definitions. A self inflicted wound is intentional. Not the same.

 

[Black Sox]

A quick Google gives examples of both your meaning and mine. It also gives another, to do with cowboys in the old west carrying revolvers in side holsters. So I don’t know for sure.

 

[JohnMB]

A quick Google gives examples of both your meaning and mine. It also gives another, to do with cowboys in the old west carrying revolvers in side holsters. So I don’t know for sure.

So a quick search gives me
About 20 pretty solid referees for the accident and one sketchy one(Urban dictionary) for the intentional.
I have only ever heard this used in the sense of
"to do something without intending to which spoils a situation for yourself"

shoot yourself in the foot

1. to do something without intending to which spoils a situation for yourself…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Can you come up with a reasonable authoritative source for the other (rather than a randomly editied web source)?

The cowboys shooting themsleves in the foot is exactly the same as the unintentionallly causing oneself harm.

 

[AnIdiot]

I think the usage was different on each side of the Atlantic between the wars and has swung towards the US version here, largely from some time after WW2:

World Wide Words: Shoot oneself in the foot

Does the expression 'Shoot oneself in the foot' come from self-inflicted wounds designed to avoid combat?

www.worldwidewords.org

I have little concrete evidence for this, though.

 

[Black Sox]

Google hits for “shoot yourself in the foot origin”, in order of appearance:

Wiktionary https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Ta...t oneself,alternative to something much worse. Both

Grammarist.com https://grammarist.com/idiom/shoot-oneself-in-the-foot/ WWI

Quora https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-expression-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-mean Both, predominantly unintentional error (8/9).

A very unscientific study. We may never know.

Apparently, shooting oneself in the foot is not uncommon when cleaning a weapon. I met a soldier once who suffered a spinal injury when his mate was cleaning a weapon with a round still in it.

 

[MaxSteel]

Google hits for “shoot yourself in the foot origin”, in order of appearance:

Wiktionary https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Talk:shoot_oneself_in_the_foot#:~:text=The phrase "to shoot oneself,alternative to something much worse. Both

Grammarist.com https://grammarist.com/idiom/shoot-oneself-in-the-foot/ WWI

Quora https://www.quora.com/What-does-the-expression-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-mean Both, predominantly unintentional error (8/9).

A very unscientific study. We may never know.

Apparently, shooting oneself in the foot is not uncommon when cleaning a weapon. I met a soldier once who suffered a spinal injury when his mate was cleaning a weapon with a round still in it.

Here is the perfect video to demonstrate shooting oneself in the foot:

 

[Jambalaya]

#Qatargate

So further information is coming to light.

The most stunning find to me is that Euro MEPs are immune from arrest unless evidence is overwhelming. They have a form of diplomatic immunity. The Belgian police want to arrest and interview 60 additional MEPs but they cannot without a specific vote of approval for each MEP in Parliament. Given EU's track record of cover ups that seems highly unlikely.

Transparency and the rule of law EU style.

In addition to the Greek MEP/VP the majority of those arrested so far are in Italy working for "NGOs" (so exempt from the immunity) and come from left wing groups. The Greek MEP/VP was arrested with 600,000€ in a suitcase, her father had a similar amount too. As commentators have said given how little power MEPs have catching one with 1,200,000€ in cash suggests at least some of the more powerful EU Commissioner's seem likely to have received far greater bungs

One other tidbit is police have uncovered messages between one arrested Italian NGO member and his wife where she says "this year we can't afford a 100,000€ vacation" what the actual fuck !!!!!!!

 

[Jambalaya]

Do you understand the origin and intended meaning of “shooting yourself in the foot”?

As a Brit, you really should.

The UK will be far better off economically outside the EU. Wait and see. Our service based globally focused economy was never a good fit for EU. We were always a square peg in a round hole.

In any case as Lord Frost points out "freedom isn't free" and Michal Cain said "I'd rather be a poor free man than a rich servant"

 

[Flaming]

The UK will be far better off economically outside the EU. Wait and see. Our service based globally focused economy was never a good fit for EU. We were always a square peg in a round hole.

In any case as Lord Frost points out "freedom isn't free" and Michal Cain said "I'd rather be a poor free man than a rich servant"

If it isn’t better quickly then we’ll be realigned fast.
The electorate won’t put up with continued promises of jam tomorrow.

 

[AnIdiot]

The UK will be far better off economically outside the EU. Wait and see. Our service based globally focused economy was never a good fit for EU. We were always a square peg in a round hole.

No it won't. We're already way behind and getting further, as cms points out the electorate won't stand for it and the changes needed to achieve what you desire require (1) the sort of ecomomic nonsense that the Markets killed when Truss proposed it; (2) reversion to a developing world economy with a working class (as opposed to the underclass we currently have); (3) time and (4) accessible markets that want what we can produce more efficiently than anyone else.
It's a fantasy and always was.

In any case as Lord Frost points out "freedom isn't free" and Michal Cain said "I'd rather be a poor free man than a rich servant"

We have significantly less freedom now than we did before Brexit. What am I allowed or able to do now that I could not do ten years ago?

 

[dogwatch]

We have significantly less freedom now than we did before Brexit. What am I allowed or able to do now that I could not do ten years ago?

Abso-bloody-lutely. Brexit took away my freedom of movement. I had an unfettered right to live anywhere in Europe, now without considerable time, effort and expense, I am stuck on this damp little island unless I return every 90 days. Fuck Brexit and Brexiteers for taking away my rights.

 

[cms]

The English Taliban.

 

[Olsonist]

In related news ...

Croatia to switch to euro, enter passport-free Schengen zone

Croatia will join the eurozone on January 1, 2023 as the currency bloc’s 20th member.

www.aljazeera.com

 

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[Albatros]

well well, a first small agreement was reached between Europistan and Britanistan on the status of Northern Irelandistan, this first agreement concerns access to UK IT systems by the EU, a small first step and more to follow.
about time one would say, if we continue on this tempo we can all call ourselves Methusalem by the time all is really settled

 

[Jambalaya]

Abso-bloody-lutely. Brexit took away my freedom of movement. I had an unfettered right to live anywhere in Europe, now without considerable time, effort and expense, I am stuck on this damp little island unless I return every 90 days. Fuck Brexit and Brexiteers for taking away my rights.

No time or effort from you but at a significant cost financially to the UK and in terms of sovereignty.

Given your dislike of the UK I suggest you get yourself a European passport. There are many avenues.

I love the UK. I can't think of a better place to live and bave travelled extensively over the years

Given you called the UK a "dump" I can only imagine you have not been to Paris recently. Even more strikes than the UK, 3x level of unemployment and even more illegal migrants. The Peripherique was literally littered with their stuff and many brazenly walking about and trying to cross this very busy 8 lane road.