Brexit WTF, WTF

[Waynemarlow]

Wayne, a repeat, your thoughts that national banks in the Euro zone had a national QE program and the EU with ECB a QE program on top was wrong. Hence your basic understanding of EU economics was way off, for a decade.

Sorry LeoV but debt is debt and however you want to spin it, somebody is going to pay as and when that debt is unwound. That under the present auspices of the EU is whoever has the broadest and deepest pockets.

In my view there is relatively few of those deep pockets left and the likes of the Netherlands is going to have to have very very deep pockets to prevent the good denizens of the NL’s being picked clean by the likes of the PIGS and all the Eastern bloc recent additions to the fold.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Quoting Guy Hands as someone reputable is a bit thin isn’t. Lives as a tax exile in Jersey and quotes all sort of stuff like Brexit would lower wages by 30%. Even your average trady would beg to differ on that.

The boss of one of Europe's largest private equity firms says Brexit will cause a 30 per cent drop in wages

Leaving the European Union will be bad for most people but good for his own multi-billion pound fund, he says

www.independent.co.uk

Citigroup, the deal’s main lender, ended up taking control of EMI in 2011. Terra Firma lost £1.7bn and Hands about £170m – more than half of his net worth. A seven-year court battle against Citi, which Hands claimed had misled him over the value of EMI, also ended in ignominious defeat.

 

[Tcatman]

Brexit made the US news reports this AM on its aniversary. The US is apparantly leaning on GB to keep the Irish border working and indicating that no special trade agreement is even being considered. Whats the deal with the Irish border?

 

[Fiji Bitter]

Biden got a very great grandfather that was Irish...

 

[dogwatch]

Brexit made the US news reports this AM on its aniversary. The US is apparantly leaning on GB to keep the Irish border working and indicating that no special trade agreement is even being considered. Whats the deal with the Irish border?

Trade deal is no leverage, there is zero possibility of terms USA would insist upon on agricultural produce being accepted. Nobody believes there will be a trade deal.

I’ve no idea what Biden has said recently on the border. He’s previously wittered about how bad a return to a guarded border would be. There won’t be one. He’s just posturing for a domestic audience.

 

[Whinging Pom]

That 'debate' was a bit disappointing. Bugger all about the freedoms that have been abolished only to protect very rich men from having their tax affairs investigated and HM government having to prop up ex-colonies who's only income apart from a bit of tourism is being a tax haven.

 

[Flaming]

The polling said Remain would win, remember that ?

Labour have made it clear the UK will not rejoin the Single Market

It's over. We've left and will never rejoin.

Actually when asked very specifically all that Labour have said is that they will not seek to rejoin in the next parliament.

This is politics, it's pretty simple. As long as it's not seen as a vote winner to promise to rejoin the EU, then it won't be promised by anyone who could actually win an election. As soon as that changes, so will the promises. We're already seeing a softening in Labour's stance as the polls on Brexit continue to widen.

You had better hope for better economic news in the next 5 years, and for there not to be increasing evidence that leaving has harmed us. Because if there is the clamour to rejoin will get louder and louder. First fringe figures of the major parties will start talking about rejoining, then more central people, then eventually it will become party policy.
Literally the only thing that can stop that process would be clear evidence that the UK has flourished outside the EU.

Remember as well that there are demographics in play. The younger generation voted to remain, the older to leave. As time passes you need those younger to agree that actually leaving was a good idea, otherwise the polls will once again lead the politicians. Only this time into rejoining, not offering a divisive referendum.

 

[cms]

Whyne and Jambo insist that Brexshit is a roaring success and that they have proof. The "proof" they offer is always nonsense, but they trash all wise opinions and even facts which are contrary to their "belief".

 

[rask jente]

Whether or not the Brits want to rejoin, I don't know if the EU is waiting to let them back in.

 

[LeoV]

So how is Brexit independence party day going ? Hear of massive strikes.

Nowhere the swashbuckling, freed from EU restrictions, brilliant performing UK to be seen. More that they are missing out.

For instance US semiconductor plan; 52 Bn Dollar. EU plan; 42 Bn Euro
UK plan, maybe 800 Mil Pound for start up seeds. Plans are months delayed.

Britain’s semiconductor plan goes AWOL as US and EU splash billions

The UK’s long-awaited chips strategy remains mired in Whitehall wrangling.

www.politico.eu

 

[MR.CLEAN]

I’ve no idea what Biden has said recently on the border. He’s previously wittered about how bad a return to a guarded border would be. There won’t be one. He’s just posturing for a domestic audience.

Neither do I. As for posturing, probably 0.001% of americans pay any attention to UK-Ireland border issues.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Whyne and Jambo insist that Brexshit is a roaring success and that they have proof. The "proof" they offer is always nonsense, but they trash all wise opinions and even facts which are contrary to their "belief".

CuMS where have Jambo or I said it’s a roaring success? What both of us have said is our stupid politicians and our even stupider ruling elite have made Brexit as painful as possible in the hope Brexit will fail.

 

[LeoV]

Brexit did not fail, it was just a case of over promising. Which you gulped.
You can make your own laws, sign your own trade deals, control your immigration.
End of stupid single market and FOM.
It is all there. Brexit did not fail, your expectations were to high and unrealistic.

In the 70's you asked to be part of the EU, because the UK was in financial troubles.
Next time that happens, you will get a cold shoulder from the EU.
UK will not return to the EU in decades, if et all.

So Brexit is successful. Can not mess that up. If things are not going your way, it is your fault. Perfect. Start fixing your own shit.

 

[Flaming]

CuMS where have Jambo or I said it’s a roaring success? What both of us have said is our stupid politicians and our even stupider ruling elite have made Brexit as painful as possible in the hope Brexit will fail.

You sound exactly like those people who claim that communism is great, it's just never been tried properly....

 

[Waynemarlow]

It is all there. Brexit did not fail, your expectations were to high and unrealistic.

Not mine, I have always said it would take 10 years or more to transition to point where we could see whether Brexit was or was not a success. Sadly the idiots now in charge such as Sunak and to a lessor extent Hunt will always be in the camp of instant political gratification and will not let that time period take its course.

Get a media groundswell for rejoining the EU as seems to be beginning again with Labour soon to be in charge and we are in for another 30 years of back stabbing the electorate as took place leading up to the referendum.

At the end of the day our political masters on both sides, the EU and the U.K. have made what should have been a simple will of the people into a poor deal on both sides.

 

[Waynemarlow]

You sound exactly like those people who claim that communism is great, it's just never been tried properly....

How so ?

 

[Flaming]

Not mine, I have always said it would take 10 years or more to transition to point where we could see whether Brexit was or was not a success. Sadly the idiots now in charge such as Sunak and to a lessor extent Hunt will always be in the camp of instant political gratification and will not let that time period take its course.

Get a media groundswell for rejoining the EU as seems to be beginning again with Labour soon to be in charge and we are in for another 30 years of back stabbing the electorate as took place leading up to the referendum.

At the end of the day our political masters on both sides, the EU and the U.K. have made what should have been a simple will of the people into a poor deal on both sides.

Cobblers. Just total and utter cobblers.

Everybody with half a brain knows that if the message from the leave campaign had been "it will take 10 years to see the benefits" you never would have won.

To blame Sunak is hilarious, he was a committed brexiter. This is what you voted for. For people like him to be in charge and to enact their version of Brexit. You may have your nebulous ideas of what a perfect brexit looks like, but you're not dealing in reality at all if you think it was ever even remotely likely that it would go well. The

As to the "should have been a simple will of the people". That's the biggest lie of the lot. There never was a simple will of the people because Brexit meant so many different things to so many different groups of people who voted for it.

 

[Flaming]

How so ?

Well if you can't see the similarity then I probably don't have enough crayons to explain it to you.

 

[Laser1]

At the end of the day our political masters on both sides, the EU and the U.K. .....

No no no Whyno, the UK ONLY started this train crash ALL BY ITSELF.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Is it a train crash, there’s a lot of people very happy with their increased wages and employment prospects, just ask the guys who I used to employ. That group who have done well are not that interested in politics and not that vociferous, which has to bring into question much of the media blitz and stats of the likes of Unherd as being relatively meaningless. Add in Covid and the Ruski invasion of Ukraine and those stats and twittering such as often seen here on this thread, really are so meaningless as should be questioned by all Remainers and the posters here.

But come a political party with ambitions to re enter the EU and my betting that fairly large group will once again vote out leaving the EU leaning business hungry for cheap labour and fatter profits without having to invest, whinging.

Having just spent the last month in NZ on holiday it’s been a real eye opener listening to my friends out there complaining of virtually everything that the likes of Flaming has been whining about and there’s been no Brexit.