Brexit WTF, WTF

[Jambalaya]

We all know the media bias against Brexit but this is extraordinary from The Times. The best takeaway is that they have made themselves look truly ridiculous in trying to boost the EU

First chart makes it look like forecast UK inflation is higher than EU and Eurozone, it's not. And the second expands the small GDP growth difference of 0.1% to make it look massive

LibDem-Style Bar Chart EU Boosterism from Times

The Times' business pages today carry a big story entitled "Eurozone is set to revive fiscal rules after holding off recession". The piece gleefully

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[Laser1]

Here a tip for you;

Inside the Deal: How the EU Got Brexit Done – Pages of Hackney

Order Inside the Deal: How the EU Got Brexit Done from Pages of Hackney for collection or nationwide delivery. Free UK shipping for orders over £50!

www.pagesofhackney.co.uk

PS dealing with BJ was easier then with May for team Barnier.

Can very very much recommend this book to anyone for or against. I have just polished this off in 3 days and it is a compelling read.

BJ wasn't interested in the detail, he just wanted to get it done.

Best quote from Frost when the last two disputed items for the future relationship/deal in December 2020 were fish & level playing field. A few days after conceding level playing field he was overheard saying "You know what, its only fucking mackerel"

 

[Jambalaya]

Can very very much recommend this book to anyone for or against. I have just polished this off in 3 days and it is a compelling read.

BJ wasn't interested in the detail, he just wanted to get it done.

Best quote from Frost when the last two disputed items for the future relationship/deal in December 2020 were fish & level playing field. A few days after conceding level playing field he was overheard saying "You know what, its only fucking mackerel"

The UK never conceded the level playing field the EU was asking for. The UK signed a standard Canada style non-regression agreement.

As for quoting Lord Frost I very much doubt it. Fishing was Boris's call and he gave the EU far leas than they were asking but still too much. Barnier was well aware of the dangers of the 5yr renegotiation for fishing so he tried to link it to access to EU energy market. EU's problem here is UK is a net exporter of gas so if EU tries to play games with electricity the UK can retaliate on gas which post Putin is a scare commodity in Europe. It's also worth noting the UK has declined permission for a new France - UK electricity cable

 

[AnIdiot]

We all know the media bias against Brexit but ...

No, we don't. You're making things up again. Deceitful.

 

[Laser1]

If you call an author, or other people that were there for that matter, that were a witness to the negotiations and shenanigans liars to suit your agenda that's absolutely fine by me. If that makes you all warm and fuzzy inside have at it.

There was very little that the EU had to concede on. In fact the UK rode down the clock and did not ask for anything for a long time. They just didn't bother to turn up for negotiations for a long time in the first place. They simply did not know how what made the EU tick and what to ask for. They did not have a clue.

Best quote 2.: At the very first meeting/negotiation between Davis & Barnier and their respective 1 + 2's both Barniers' aides had a folder with hard copies of speeches, papers, guidelines, legislation, etc. ......... Davis & his aides had ......... nothing.

 

[LeoV]

jamba;
Was there not Russian money involved in that UK-France cable ?
Your energy knowledge lacks basic knowledge. Study up.
Nope, you did not sign a Canada style non regression agreement, again your knowledge of this topic is so wrong. So wrong it is remarkable.
Instead of thinking you know what Barnier had planned or not, read his book, and DeRynk one. Will smarten you up by miles.

It is funny to see the infighting in the Tory party is ongoing. Brexit did not solve that.

 

[cms]

I love opinion polls .... Especially when done for Jambo's Torygraph. This one is eye watering.

Regression Poll February 2023

 

[cms]

650 seats.
Labour 509.
SNP 50.
Tories 45.
Lib/Dems 23.
Others 5.

If only ....

 

[LeoV]

SNP leader of the opposition, if only...

 

[huey 2]

Russia and Russian Money....surely not

https://www.channel4.com/programmes/strippers-spies-russian-money-dispatches?fbclid=IwAR305O4kbO0KrbJtcMcAuIy8rTvfxQgjbIz7UKxty_o5YflAOMS-UULyYXw

 

[huey 2]

back to regression poll...sure a poll is speculative...but

'The prediction is that the Conservative would face electoral near-annihilation, and would not even be the official opposition. SNP Westminster leader Stephen Flynn would be the leader of the opposition.'

'That could be even worse for the Conservatives than 1997. Even in Tony Blair's Labour landslide, Conservative support held up better in their stronger seats.'

 

[Waynemarlow]

But you have to still ask the question will Labour‘s election manifesto categorically state their intention to rejoin the EU ? I would suggest that very little will be mentioned of Brexit by any party other than we are now 7 years since the referendum clearly had a majority to leave.

 

[Flaming]

But you have to still ask the question will Labour‘s election manifesto categorically state their intention to rejoin the EU ? I would suggest that very little will be mentioned of Brexit by any party other than we are now 7 years since the referendum clearly had a majority to leave.

If the polls show it to be a vote winner in the seats that they need to win, then yes. If not, then no.
My guess is not this time.

What would be absolutely hilarious would be the Tory party getting completely savaged at the polls then purging itself of the ERG and coming back as a pro EU "party of business".

 

[AnIdiot]

But you have to still ask the question will Labour‘s election manifesto categorically state their intention to rejoin the EU ? I would suggest that very little will be mentioned of Brexit by any party other than we are now 7 years since the referendum clearly had a majority to leave.

Trolling again, Wayne? That poll suggests the Opposition might bring it up. Or didn't you notice that...

 

[huey 2]

 

[LeoV]

 

[LeoV]

What’s abundantly clear is that Brexiters expected the EU either to fall apart upon Brexit or cave in to British cakeism.

Mugged by reality. So they keep thrashing the EU and talking up the UK. It's the only thing they have left.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Trolling again, Wayne? That poll suggests the Opposition might bring it up. Or didn't you notice that...

When even Flaming agrees, then no its not trolling, just you are totally out of touch with the reality of day to day Brit politics and all because you want to score points on SA.

If the polls show it to be a vote winner in the seats that they need to win, then yes. If not, then no.
My guess is not this time.

What would be absolutely hilarious would be the Tory party getting completely savaged at the polls then purging itself of the ERG and coming back as a pro EU "party of business".

Flaming I have to agree, the Conservative party is now firmly back in " Remainer " control both financially ( Hunt ) and the party being steered by the Chairman Hands.

Greg Hands: Remainer and Germanophile who’s been picked for Tory chair

Hands doesn’t easily commend himself to the Tories’ Ukippy membership, writes Sean O’Grady

www.independent.co.uk

My guess is that the Conservatives will lose heavily at the next election ( much of that down to shear incompetence as much as simply a tired party with few ideas ) but not due to a labour vote upsurge, but more from people like myself who rate Sunak as just another Cameron banker boy, voting for other parties. What we could end up with is Labour in a landslide but probably with less than 35 - 40 % of the total vote, such is our first post the post system.

My question would be then to you guys would be, if Labour ( Starmer after all is an EU acolyte ) despite having no mandate from their election campaign, align us back with the EU and potentially with a long term view of rejoining the EU ( as most major shifts from the Con to Labour end up with at least 10 years of Labour Control ) with only 35 - 40 % of the total vote, would you consider that a democratic result ?

 

[Waynemarlow]

Mugged by reality. So they keep thrashing the EU and talking up the UK. It's the only thing they have left.

Seems business just ignores the political headlines and just does what it does best, trade. Note the totals for both the EU and UK are higher than in 2016

Hey Jack / AnIdiot, looks like your hero Nanny Nichola has bitten her own dust.

 

[Flaming]

My question would be then to you guys would be, if Labour ( Starmer after all is an EU acolyte ) despite having no mandate from their election campaign, align us back with the EU and potentially with a long term view of rejoining the EU ( as most major shifts from the Con to Labour end up with at least 10 years of Labour Control ) with only 35 - 40 % of the total vote, would you consider that a democratic result ?

Oh Wayne, that really is an absolutely epic example of shooting yourself in the foot. At the 2019 general election "Get Brexit done" got about 43%. They also signed trade deals and did other international business. Explain why that was "the democratic will of the people" but a hypothetical Labour government taking trade decisions about aligning with the EU is not. Especially when they have already said that they would renegotiate the Brexit deal with a focus on removing barriers, which by definition means getting closer aligned.