Brexit WTF, WTF

our contributions were too important to the EU, that it would be stuffed without us,
As Jambalaya has pointed out, at least the increase in borrowing by the ECB is no longer our problem.

Hey there raises a point, the SVB folded because bonds were no longer as valuable when the Fed keeps putting up the interest rate. Now the ECB largely depends on Bonds to fuel its debt to keep all the EU countries afloat. Or does the ECB simply print money and doesn't need to do what everybody else does and buy bonds ?
 
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on a lighter note, a snippet from a local newspaper :
Lady Fiona Carnarvon, the mistress of Highclere Castle, known as one main location of the hugely popular Downtown Abbey series is miffed, yes, miffed she is and Brexit is the cause of her miffed state of mind.
Apart from renting the place out for Downtown stuff they get quite an income from organising wedding parties, meetings and such stuff, and for that they have in the past relied heavily on hiring temporary workforces, many of them -as it added to the grand athmosphere that was created along with the splendid castle- were European students (Erasmus etc...) but due to Brexit the number of furrin' students has gone down significantly, partly because there are less admissions and partly because they just don't want to come to britanistan anymore.
So yes, she's miffed, she can of course hire limey or scouser rabble and other assorted Wayniacs but that wouldn't go down easily in terms of stiff upper lip and yada yada (grin)
 

Jambalaya

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Looks a bit like the A13 and most highways and byways of the UK.
The roads of the UK look nothing like this. The French bin men have been on strike for a while now. We are watching BFMTV as we have yet more riots in Paris as huge piles of uncollected rubbish are set on fire.

All as a result of Macron forcing though pension reforms without a vote in Parliament.
 

Jambalaya

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It's weird how when the leave campaign were campaigning to leave we were continually told that our contributions were too important to the EU, that it would be stuffed without us, and that our trade was so important to the German car makers that deals would be done, easiest deals ever in fact....
But now we're out your message is that politicians from the EU don't care about all that and would be willing to let the UK whistle rather than have all that contribution cash back, and free trade back...

Weird how that happened.

We never said our contributions were "too important" to the EU. What is true is there is increasing dissent in France about their increased contributions, they are already the most eurosceptic and it's getting stronger

The UK has the best Free Trade Deal the EU has signed with anyone with no dynamic alignment / level playing field and no budget contributions. So yes the German car makers made sure we got that deal
 

Jambalaya

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Your Brexit is selfish because you've said on many occasions that you made your mind up years ago. And you are demonstrably deaf to the issues that it has caused. Nobody has ever claimed the EU to be perfect btw, but worthwhile pointing out that the UK had a huge hand in drafting EU legislation, especially financial stuff (which I understand you to be referring to).
Whenever people like me point out the issues that we face post Brexit, we are told (as I have been on this thread) that we are being selfish and whining. I'm not sure what the difference between me pointing out that our way of trading has been irrevocably changed for no appreciable benefit, and you pointing out that in whatever business you were in the EU rules were a hindrance. Other than of course you presumably knew those rules before you started that business? They weren't changed on you after years of trading in one way?
And have they been changed post Brexit btw? Has the UK government used its freedom to change those rules and make that area competitive against Asia?

In addition, as important as financial services are, that industry does not have the scope to employ large numbers of school leavers in the way that manufacturing etc does. What does the future look like for them?

You also say that you think that brexit will be a huge benefit to the UK. What timescale are you putting on that? And what constitutes a success? And then, what will you do if that doesn't happen? A non selfish Brexit at that point admits it hasn't worked and that whatever your feelings about the EU, the UK was better off as a member and joins the campaign to rejoin. I get the impression from your posts that you would never do that....

The reverse is true btw. If Brexit is a success. If it does what the leave campaign claimed it would, and energises the country, which becomes nimble and able to refocus on new opportunities etc etc. Then I'll gladly eat my hat. Your hat too. Because that's exactly what I want for the UK, have always wanted for the UK. It's just that when you look at how that's supposed to happen you realise that it was nonsense. The leave campaign weren't totally wrong in what they saw as being the symptoms that needed correcting, just totally wrong about what was causing them.

But of course the point you continually miss is that the success or otherwise of Brexit isn't judged by people like you on the committed leave side. Or by people like me on the remain side. It's judged by those people who had no strong opinion prior to 2016 and who made up their minds during the campaign. Those people who listened to the promises of the leave campaign about the UK being better off out, about taking back control and were convinced to vote out.
If they aren't convinced that this was the right decision, can't see the good times coming, and especially if we fall behind the rest of Europe, then they will lose patience and will be very receptive to politicians telling them that to get closer to Europe is the answer. And eventually to rejoin. 33% still think brexit was a good idea now.... How low will it go before these promised benefits arrive?

I think Brexit is best for the UK as a whole

Yes the rules did change after I launched the business

We are not "falling behind the rest of Europe", quite the contrary in fact
 

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I think Brexit is best for the UK as a whole

Yes the rules did change after I launched the business

We are not "falling behind the rest of Europe", quite the contrary in fact
Did the UK oppose the rules when they went through the EU parliament and council of ministers etc?

Your take on the economic performance is not endorsed by many people.
 

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The UK has the best Free Trade Deal the EU has signed with anyone with no dynamic alignment / level playing field
Oh dear, another one believing Bojo on his blue eyes and not understanding the TCA.
You have been played if you believe that there are no level playing field demands.

Research nicotine based weedkillers, palm oil and cyanide. Follow EU rules or no trade.
 

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A trade body representing UK baby food suppliers has said it will continue to manufacture to EU standards on arsenic residues.

Last week, it was reported that a new EU rule was reducing the permitted level of the chemical.

The British Specialist Nutrition Association (BSNA) said "any product produced in GB will be compliant with the EU levels".

It said this was "to protect the right to export to all EU countries".

Arsenic is a naturally occurring substance that can cause cancer.

It is impossible to eliminate arsenic from food but there are maximum legal levels.

The BSNA, which represents major suppliers like Danone and Nestle, said the majority of baby food products on the GB market are imported from the EU.
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Come on Breziteers, this is another red tape from the EU, nanny state. Protest it on the streets, would love to see the banners... Stop the EU, Freedom to poison our babies.
 

Jambalaya

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Remember how Brexit was going to guaranty Scottish Independence ? Well the reality is the SNP is now in free fall with them being forced to admit membership has collapsed by 30% since Brexit. Support amongst Scots for independence has shrunk dramatically. Resignations come daily from amongst the Sturgeon elite. The leadership contests to replace her are quite rightly pointing to her disastrous track record on NHS, police, ferries and of course her failed independence tactics. The continuity candidate in Humza Yousaf has an even worse track record and is attempting to fail upwards.

As Salmond himself tweeted yesterday

"It takes decades to build a political party and days to destroy one"
 

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DUP to oppose Government in first vote on Windsor Framework Brexit deal​

and so the shit continues :ROFLMAO:

DUP.jpg
 

Jambalaya

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Not a surprise @Laser1 as the "deal" is basically the one Boris rejected with the addition of a "Stormont Brake" which is neither a brake and one which if it were activated by Stormont can simply be ignored by Westminster.

It is also worth noting that Parliament is only being offered a vote on the "brake" part and not the whole and very substantial agreement
 

Jambalaya

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Why don't you get a job with some right wing rag? Your selective choices of snippets and twisting of facts would guarantee you a big following.

What is remotely "right wing" or "selective" about my post ? Simply a statement of facts. The SNP under Mr and Mrs Sturgeon hid the collapse in membership numbers even from the SNP's own head of media.

Support for Independence now stands at 38%, the lowest I can ever remember.
 

Flaming

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Support for Independence now stands at 38%, the lowest I can ever remember.
And support for Brexit is 33%....

I'm getting more and more curious what this EU regulation that caused your business to be uncompetitive. Care to share? I would like to understand who proposed it and why it was felt to be a good idea even though it made competition with Asia harder.
 
What is remotely "right wing" or "selective" about my post ? Simply a statement of facts. The SNP under Mr and Mrs Sturgeon hid the collapse in membership numbers even from the SNP's own head of media.

Support for Independence now stands at 38%, the lowest I can ever remember.
I wouldn't read too much into that. What may be more interesting is to see where it settles after the dirty laundry has been aired.
 
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