Brexit WTF, WTF

[mad]

I'm not making a stand, I'm exercising a choice. PA is like buggery, some people think the pleasure is worth the shit. They are entitled to their opinion but so am I. 

Sorry to see we appear to have lost LeoV along the way, who had much to contribute.

Well that's an analogy I've not heard before!  :blink: :lol:

 

[mad]

We have a follow up. In defending JRM another MP has doubled down and made his comments blatant with no ambiguity.

They are insane.

Time for a quick U-turn again..............

Grenfell Tower: Second apology over Jacob Rees-Mogg comments


A Conservative candidate has apologised for defending Jacob Rees-Mogg's comments that it would have been "common sense" to flee the Grenfell Tower fire.

Andrew Bridgen said Mr Rees-Mogg would have made a "better decision" than authority figures who gave people advice on the night of the fire.

He has now apologised "unreservedly" for his choice of words.

The Conservative Party chairman said both were "wrong" in what they said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-50314112

Brought to you by the party that blatantly doesn't give a fuck about people other than their own.

 

[EYESAILOR]

Brexit friendly Remainer's do not have a political option?

Labour gives Remainer's that want (or more precisely accept) Brexit with Single Market. They in fact get two bites with Labours Soft Brexit OR No Brexit Referendum and can't lose. You say Labour Remainer's will stick with Labour??? I agree and presume on ideological grounds?

I agree this election is not solely about Brexit. This is where Boris may have overplayed his hand and now appearing to be getting frustrated. So it is either;

1. Labour Leavers voting Tory over Brexit Party

OR 

2. Labour voters in Labour Leave seats are in fact *not* Leave voters.

The seat of Bolsover that is 70% Leavers in post upthread seems to support the latter that Brexit will not change their political ideology and particularly Nth and SW seats where current generation saw what Thatcher did to their parents.

Going to be interesting to see the impact of who loses this election more than who wins it. Corbyn personally is certainly in that "lose" factor field.

Your point #2 is not supported by the Bolsover demographics. If Labour leave voters desert the Labour Party , Labour loses Bolsover. If Labour remainers desert the Labour Party, Labour loses......which of course explains the fence sitting. 
 

If anyone thinks Corbyn’s Brexit policy/manifesto is based on ideological grounds rather than political expediency then they are smoking strong weed. At heart, Corbyn has always been a leaver, so that the U.K. can pursue a socialist agenda and nationalization unfettered by EU competition law. 
 

Labour will likely keep its Remain voters, but the risk is that at the margin they will lose some Leave voters and this will NOT be compensated for by winning any Tory Remain voters.   Tory Remain voters will (A) never vote for a Socialist  (B) who at heart wants to leave the EU. 

 

[jack_sparrow]

This on top of a good days innings yesterday, 5 solid boundaries.

* refusal to publish report on Russia
* abusing civil service on not costing Labour policy (yet refusing to cost their own)
* doctoring video of Keir.                                                                * no starter homes built in 4 years.                                                * 2 Grenfell brain explosions

What is the word that comes way after deranged???

I missed the Welsh aid rape thing, transition extension, billionaires and  Soviet front page.. she missed housing so it was a magic 8 boundaries with no FP.

The empty chair and James Cleverley party boss...who is today not looking too cleverley.

 

[jack_sparrow]

1. Labour Leavers voting Tory over Brexit Party

OR 

2. Labour voters in Labour Leave seats are in fact *not* Leave voters.

The seat of Bolsover that is 70% Leavers in post upthread seems to support the latter that Brexit will not change their political ideology...  

Your point #2 is not supported by the Bolsover demographics.

Maybe you should take that up with author I'm just the postman, though unwind his thread he does seem to make a lot of substantiated sense. See last sentence below.

 

[jack_sparrow]

I hope someone showed up or is he just practising???

Yes if only you allowed sufficient time to debate WAB there would never have been an election. Lying cunt.

The why did you not allow that??? simple and is front page today.......it is back again  to your old Brussels sabre rattling of "No Deal December 2020...die in a ditch...come what may"  time again. Fuck me you are really sending everyone giddy at home and in Brussels. Fromage got you worried Boris??

Mate you really are a transparent idiot with a unhealthy passion for ditches and dieing.

Hopefully come 13 December your passion will be rewarded.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Farage is dead right except for apportioning the credit.

Headline should read "Nigel Farage exposes how Boris Johnson 'torpedoed' Boris Johnson's general election campaign", not crediting Barnier. 

Boris and Boris alone chose December 2020 as end of transition period and knowing that an extension is 100% guaranteed, but now lying saying one won't be sought at cut off period of June next year to keep Fromage at bay.

 

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Now we have proof: the government used your money to lie about poor people


Early this summer, a national newspaper published a string of curious articles. Under the logo Universal Credit Uncovered, the features promised readers of the Metro the truth about this most notorious of all benefits. The series began with a giant advert wrapped around the cover of the paper, coupled with a four-page spread right in its centre, and continued week upon week for nine weeks. Launched by the Department for Work and Pensions, it was an unprecedented attempt to salvage the reputation of a policy that had been attacked by MPs on all sides, plunged families into starvation and homelessness, and driven councils dealing with the fallout to call for its abolition.

That suffering across the country was dismissed by the DWP as “negativity and scaremongering” in an internal memo I saw and reported on here weeks beforehand. Signed by three top officials, it described the campaign to the Metro’s 2.5 million daily readers as “very different to anything that we’ve done before”. The civil servants crowed over how readers might be deceived into treating the advertorials as independent reporting: “The features won’t look or feel like DWP or UC [universal credit] – you won’t see our branding … We want to grab the readers’ attention and make them wonder who has done this ‘UC uncovered’ investigation.”

Yeah, we really trust this lot with everything they say................... Fuck sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/06/government-universal-credit-deception-asa-taxpayer-funded-features

We stand at the edge of an election campaign, a period traditionally marked by half-truths, plausible fibs and outright partisan lies. Yet even amid the discursive sewage that is about to deluge us, this deceit is far different and vastly more serious. First, that campaign was paid for by taxpayers like you and me. The DWP’s own filings show that £225,000 was paid to the Metro to run ads now declared “misleading”, “unsubstantiated” and “exaggerated”. Almost a quarter of million pounds was taken off us to lie to us.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Yeah, we really trust this lot with everything they say................... Fuck sake!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/06/government-universal-credit-deception-asa-taxpayer-funded-features

Every day something like this is revealed for the Government to defend. They can't get any campaign traction while this keeps going. 

The party/persons who are handing Corbyn the keys to #10 is the Govt/Boris, no-one else at the moment.

Corbyn simply can't believe his good luck. He is marching towards 12 December while the Torys keeps shitting the bed.

 

[rgeek]

Boris announcing his manifesto exclusively in the Daily Torygraph ....super idea to include Russian reference in headline when you are under attack for holding back on Russian interference intelligence report.

This on top of a good days innings yesterday, 5 solid boundaries.

* refusal to publish report on Russia
* abusing civil service on not costing Labour policy (yet refusing to cost their own)
* doctoring video of Keir.                                                                * no starter homes built in 4 years.                                                * 2 Grenfell brain explosions

What is the word that comes way after deranged???

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Define negative campaigning

 

[dogwatch]

Brought to you by the man who said "Fuck business".

 

[jack_sparrow]

Tories are winning the "Twitter is fucking us" competition by a country mile.

Just a few samples







Stormzy who ever the fuck he is has called Jacob Rees-Mogg "an actual piece of shit" and called for his resignation...can't wait to see vid of his next show...the Edwardian Pencils ears will be burning.


Meanwhile Boris rattled of 3 lies in first two minutes that he has funded “40 new hospitals” (he hasn’t) that Labour are planning a Scottish independence referendum next year (they’re not) and that he didn’t want an early election (he did)

People are even counting now everytime he opens his mouth.


And damage control from #10???...they are just "getting the barnacles off the boat now"?If these are only barnacles what else is around the corner. WTF.


As to the expert's opinion on these barnacles.

Well how about from the Chief Political Correspondent and Assistant Editor of the "Daily Torygraph" you can't get more partisan than that. I would hate to hear what he really thought.


Some people who know the layout of #10 well are are even pissing themselves laughing.


Meanwhile Labour keep Brexit nice and simple, don't allow it to distract and just keep ploughing on through their election manifesto list on the ground, on the airwaves and online.

 

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And then there's this little gem as well.............

A UK cabinet minister has resigned over claims he knew about a former aide's role in the "sabotage" of a rape trial.

Welsh Secretary Alun Cairns denied knowing Tory assembly candidate Ross England made claims about the victim's sexual history in an April 2018 trial.

But BBC Wales discovered Mr Cairns was emailed about it in August 2018 - four months before Mr England was chosen as Vale of Glamorgan candidate.

Mr Cairns still intends to stand as a Tory candidate in the general election.

At the 2017 general election, Mr Cairns won the seat by 2,190 votes over Labour.

Mr England, who was selected as the candidate for the Vale of Glamorgan, said he had given an "honest answer" while giving evidence at the rape trial of his friend James Hackett.

He told the court he had a casual sexual relationship with the complainant - which she denied - despite the judge making it clear that evidence of the sexual history of the victim was inadmissible.

Judge Stephen John Hopkins QC said to him: "Why did you say that? Are you completely stupid?

"You have managed single-handed, and I have no doubt it was deliberate on your part, to sabotage this trial… get out of my court."

Hackett was subsequently convicted of rape at a retrial.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-50302173

Nice, upstanding members of the community in the Tory field.  Who wouldn't want to vote for them?  :wacko:

 

[jack_sparrow]

If anyone thinks Corbyn’s Brexit policy/manifesto is based on ideological grounds rather than political expediency then they are smoking strong weed. 

No-one with half a brain talks Brexit and "ideology" in the same breath with any party except Brexit Party and SNP/Lib Dems/Ind for No Brexit.

An example of ideological measures on individual policy for the majors is as follows.

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[jack_sparrow]

Sorry to see we appear to have lost LeoV along the way, who had much to contribute.

@LeoV said he was going to take a break during election campaign.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Think he has been aching to say that for a long time.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Still waiting for answers.....

Mad seems the dog at #10 has eaten the Russian Election Interference MI5 Report, however Open Democracy are now adding to their list of Tory Russian cash.

Then that subject related to the Vote Leave campaign where Johnson, Gove and Cummings refusal to front up to HOC  Special Committee. Too late now pre election after Boris's trip to Buckingham Palace today.

 

[WGWarburton]

It's going to be interesting to see how things play out here in Scotland. There have been some big swings in results over recent cycles. Conventional wisdom is that Labour can't win an overall majority without Scottish seats but they are making a play for Nationalist support. The SNP are playing their cards close to their chest on this point for now but are not ruling it out: arguably, neither party want to be seen to be too closely aligned at this stage but both are aware that it may be expedient to work together in the near future, so are wary of being too strident on the subject.

 The Tories may be in for a rough time, see below from the economist in September. This was before Ruth Davidson's departure and it's important to note that she was no fan of Boris and that she was firmly in the Remain camp, arguing very strongly against a hard brexit and determined to use the Scottish Remain vote and the significant influence the Scottish Tory seats were able to wield in Westminster to block it. Jackson Carlaw is now interim leader and it may well be that his much closer alignment to Boris and his cronies is not helping this case.

https://www.economist.com/britain/2019/09/05/without-scotland-the-tories-may-struggle-to-win-a-majority

 There is talk of the Conservatives being annihilated, here. A few votes may go to to the Brexit party and the Lib Dems will probably gain share, if not necessarily a significant number of seats. The main Tory message so far seems to have been vote for us to save the Union, which is slightly at odds with the rumour going around that the most effective way to build support for Independence is for Boris to be returned as PM! It won't be good for the Union if Boris manages to win a majority with no Scottish support and exploits that to take the UK out of the EU.

 Early days still, and the mainstream media don't seem to have picked up on the reality of the threat, yet. Maybe they never will... it's a complex situation, and difficult to distil into a digestible discussion but ignoring the potential impact risks exacerbating the problem.

Cheers,

               W.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Not sure how even Spicer/Room Next Door guy can make Sky's interview with a chair any funnier.

 

[mad]

Mad seems the dog at #10 has eaten the Russian Election Interference MI5 Report, however Open Democracy are now adding to their list of Tory Russian cash.

Then that subject related to the Vote Leave campaign where Johnson, Gove and Cummings refusal to front up to HOC  Special Committee. Too late now pre election after Boris's trip to Buckingham Palace today.

There must be a point where the whole validity of Brexit, the last government and this election are seriously questioned!! 
 

you beat me too it with that link as well. Thanks