Panoramix
Super Anarchist
Doesn't matter, the only things that matter to them are the polls!
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Brexit WTF, WTF
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I thought Macron was only one defending the agreement and all the other wannabe presidents are ready to roll out red carpet for anyone who wants to hop over to UK. I might have gotten wrong impression, but if I'm correct the BJ's open letter didn't help Macron, who is only one willing to help UK...
Panoramix
Super Anarchist
The left seems to be bickering and finding its way into irrelevance at the moment so it is hard to say what they think.
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
Direct sailings have increased from 17% to 34% of total, so far so good. This leaves the Republic dependent on the UK for 66% of it’s exports. Transit times to France are approximately 20 hours via UK, approx 40 hours via roll on toll off or 60 hours via load on load off. If the French obstruct the Channel Tunnel (as expected) in the event of Article 16 the Republic will hugely negatively impacted.
As I have said before I’d personally like to see all Republic of Ireland exports go direct thus reducing the number of polluting lorries on UK roads.
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
Plenty of candidates in French Presidential election calling for Le Touquet agreement to be cancelled. Personally I think its a waste of time so agree to cancelling it. What will happen then is that the boat crossings will largely stop and migrants will seek to jump on lorries as they did before (boats €3000-€5000, lorries free). This will very likely see a return to the violent scenes around Calais motorways (huge headache for police/authorities), full checks on all lorries at Dover and thus collapse of Eurotunnel operations/capacityl. Like airlines Eurotunnel will be responsible for checking passengers right to travel (as they are currently doing with Covid, it’s Eurotunnel who do all the checks) so migrants will have to hide in lorries.
“Hating the British” generally plays well in French elections and we are seeing plenty of it right now from all sides of course being lead by the chief egotist himself Manu Macron.
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Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
Macron and the authorities are turning a blind eye to the illegal migrants many thousands of whom are camped out under the noses of the authorities. He “supports” Le Touquet on the basis the British pay him €65m a year and he keeps the money but does virtually nothing for it. Macron has a major problem as France has a million illegal migrants and opposition candidates can point go his failures on these issues. There was a big row a while ago after French police tried to return migrants to Italy (who don’t want them back of course). TV this week also featured an item on Algerians who French cannot deport back to Algeria as Algeria won’t accept them as they have “lost” their passport. Chaos.
Panoramix
Super Anarchist
Not true, my dad is a volunteer at SNSM (French RNLI) in North Brittany and they exchange a lot between stations and what you are describing is completely untrue, it is just disinformation from the British press. French police is rather rough with them.
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Euh .... Pew research.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/11/14/5-facts-about-unauthorized-immigration-in-europe/
Euh, bad with numbers, shows your research is not that good. Maybe do some research...
If immigrants going back to lorry hitching again, many EU based SME lorry drivers will stop travelling to the UK. It is not a popular destination anyway. Enough work in the EU. So your left with big logistic companies who are upping the price daily.
PS how is your WTO campaign going ? Anything new about the US EU Japan trilateral ?
The EU US steel tariffs gone, but not the UK one ?
In short, the WTO is diminishing in power as the big bocks move away from it. Reason, WTO is good for China less for the other blocks. Could be smart to tie yourself to a big block.
They don't teach much Irish history in British schools, so this may come as news to many in London, but apparently there is a particular problem sending this Trade Secretary (She is actually married into the Northumberland branch of the Trevelyan family - direct descendants of the despised Lord Charles Edward Trevelyan of Great Hunger infamy) to DC to explain Northern Ireland policy...
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Meanwhile;
Maroš Šefčovič says the EU wants to conclude a post-Brexit deal Friday with the U.K. to keep medicines flowing freely into Northern Ireland — but is ready to move ahead on its own to ensure that happens.
Šefčovič cited "extensive consultations" with British and EU drugmakers, who have offered guarded approval for the EU’s proposed legislative blueprint to keep medical shipments flowing uninterrupted to Northern Ireland.
https://www.politico.eu/article/sefcovic-we-are-ready-to-move-on-our-own-on-northern-ireland-medicines/
UK trying to use medicines as blackmail in negotiation, as it is very tactile for voters.
EU now; UK is not willing to work together on this, we will do it.
Trying to take the high road, so nobody can blame the EU for being unrealistic.
So far no reaction from UKG or Frost and it is a day old. Very unusual. They could spin it as a win.
Maroš Šefčovič says the EU wants to conclude a post-Brexit deal Friday with the U.K. to keep medicines flowing freely into Northern Ireland — but is ready to move ahead on its own to ensure that happens.
Šefčovič cited "extensive consultations" with British and EU drugmakers, who have offered guarded approval for the EU’s proposed legislative blueprint to keep medical shipments flowing uninterrupted to Northern Ireland.
https://www.politico.eu/article/sefcovic-we-are-ready-to-move-on-our-own-on-northern-ireland-medicines/
UK trying to use medicines as blackmail in negotiation, as it is very tactile for voters.
EU now; UK is not willing to work together on this, we will do it.
Trying to take the high road, so nobody can blame the EU for being unrealistic.
So far no reaction from UKG or Frost and it is a day old. Very unusual. They could spin it as a win.
Waynemarlow
Super Anarchist
Never quite understood why we allow Irish and Euro based lorries to simply use our road network for free, they don't fill up with fuel and simply fill the lorry parks whilst having to not drive.
The sooner companies work out a 60 hour transit time can be accommodated by simply ordering stuff earlier, the better for all.
Also it would seem Container rates are falling at long last, those high rates must be down to Brexit of course
https://splash247.com/container-spot-rates-in-free-fall/?fbclid=IwAR2rHpPzaucNIJzzpt5I5hVsPlYG5mvQNhQFy3P6O9W-IFdGMQBeZC9ip6E
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Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
I live in Paris part of the year and there are many thousands of illegal / unregistered migrants sleeping rough and living in shanty towns all over the city, begging at the traffic lights etc. Pre covid we would travel between UK and France once a month and always see migrants walking up the motorway or around tunnel/port. If the police cared these people could easily have been rounded up but they did all they could to avoid arresting them as then they would have to be registered
Jambalaya
Super Anarchist
@LeoV that chart is from 2017, ancient history. Current numbers in France illegally is 900k estimated and that doesn't include registered asylum seekers We've been watching the LR debates this week and illegal immigration is a massive issue. It's a huge problem here in France as is Islamist extremism something Macron himself has spoken about frequently.
I voted for Brexit in order to see imports from EU decline via better and freerer choice from the rest of the world. So frankly the fewer EU lorry drivers are willing to come to the UK the better. We will source from elsewhere and import via our ports (Dover only 9th most important UK port)
As for medicines it was the EU who blocked vaccine exports. Shameful. Now they can't even purseude their own citizens to take them and so are rolling out compulsory vaccination. Deeply sinister.
EU desperate for a NI medicines deal as they know how negatively this casts the EU as current protocol is at fault. It's a very easy target example for UK to show how the protocol doesn't work.
I voted for Brexit in order to see imports from EU decline via better and freerer choice from the rest of the world. So frankly the fewer EU lorry drivers are willing to come to the UK the better. We will source from elsewhere and import via our ports (Dover only 9th most important UK port)
As for medicines it was the EU who blocked vaccine exports. Shameful. Now they can't even purseude their own citizens to take them and so are rolling out compulsory vaccination. Deeply sinister.
EU desperate for a NI medicines deal as they know how negatively this casts the EU as current protocol is at fault. It's a very easy target example for UK to show how the protocol doesn't work.
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Laser1
Super Anarchist
Ah yes I see. Using airplanes and merchant vessels that run on solar power generated on the sunny uplands and gas from unicorn poo.
hump101
Anarchist
Even the Torygraph is having doubts now.
Interesting comment on this article from an Australian:
"In the 21st century about half Australians don't have British origins. So to Australians like me, with Italian and other heritage, the brexiter's assumption that we would fall into line with this pseudo empire revival project is almost insulting. Personally I also want us to have our own head of state and I know that many fellow aussies agree".
And a US citizen in a similar vain:
"The number of US citizens who are descended from the British of the original 13 colonies is quite small. The bulk are descended from the mass immigration of the 1800's. Germans, Swedes, Irish, Italians etc. I fail to see the basis for the so called Special Relationship. Biden has made it clear that his is with the Irish."
I suspect if you reduce the numbers further to those with English, not British, origins, then support for the old empire will dwindle even further. I don't personally know any English migrants, me included, who would think this to be a good, or even feasible, idea.
Interesting comment on this article from an Australian:
"In the 21st century about half Australians don't have British origins. So to Australians like me, with Italian and other heritage, the brexiter's assumption that we would fall into line with this pseudo empire revival project is almost insulting. Personally I also want us to have our own head of state and I know that many fellow aussies agree".
And a US citizen in a similar vain:
"The number of US citizens who are descended from the British of the original 13 colonies is quite small. The bulk are descended from the mass immigration of the 1800's. Germans, Swedes, Irish, Italians etc. I fail to see the basis for the so called Special Relationship. Biden has made it clear that his is with the Irish."
I suspect if you reduce the numbers further to those with English, not British, origins, then support for the old empire will dwindle even further. I don't personally know any English migrants, me included, who would think this to be a good, or even feasible, idea.
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hump101
Anarchist
LeoV
Super Anarchist
Yo are such a fake news generator, no medicines have been blocked. It is about approval of new medicines. EU approved new ones will be available in NI, the UK ones have to do an extra check.
As the UK is not budging, the EU talked to the manufacturers and came to an understanding how to work this out. UK still refusing. Sorry mate, it is a nice distraction and far from the truth. You are being suckered.
And pitiful to see that an successful exporting EU to the UK is seen as unwelcome. Mind boggling. UK exported a lot to the EU. Tit for tat. And no comment on the dire state of the WTO lately, does not fit your propaganda.
French can have undocumented immigrants, so have the UK and other countries.
cms
Super Anarchist
The reason for a large proportion of the migrants in Paris and NE France is the UK. So let the UK have them and sort them out. Just charter some vessels, load them and sail to Dover. Jambo can then be happy about French streets being cleaned up.
These migrants do not want to register in France, and go to great pains to avoid doing so. Short of locking them all up in concentration camps, perhaps Jambo can suggest the solution?
These migrants do not want to register in France, and go to great pains to avoid doing so. Short of locking them all up in concentration camps, perhaps Jambo can suggest the solution?
Laser1
Super Anarchist
hump101
Anarchist
18 months tax relief for non-residents. Should be OK for most. Shame they can't spell.
Contact the National Yatchline
To report a vessel’s arrival call the National Yachtline.
You must call the National Yatchline for advice and instruction on anything that must be notified to customs authorities.
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