Brexit WTF, WTF

[hump101]

Our kids now have other countries that have reciprocal visa arrangements that the EU kids don't have, ......

Name one. I'm Finnish, so I'd like to hear which country has better visa arrangements with UK than us.

I would also like to know what countries now offer such arrangements that didn't before. In 2016 a UK passport was ranked joint 1st as requiring the least number of visas, now it is 7th. India has recently removed the UK from its E-visa scheme, now requiring a full visa prior to travel. I can't find any countries that have reduced visa requirements, just those that have increased?

 

[Waynemarlow]

Name one. I'm Finnish, so I'd like to hear which country has better visa arrangements with UK than us.

I had been lead to beleive that on the new deals arranged with Aus and NZ ( has that been ratified ) that reciprocal holiday visas for the under 25's had been agreed. Correct me if I'm wrong as I was basing that on a friend from NZ was dispatching their nipper over for a gap year and seemed to think that only a holiday visa was needed to work until 25.

Mind you with the present shut down of both NZ and Aus its almost bit academic to say the least.

India again was being used as a political posturing point.

 

[JohnMB]

I had been lead to beleive that on the new deals arranged with Aus and NZ ( has that been ratified ) that reciprocal holiday visas for the under 25's had been agreed. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Under 25s were never a issue anyway, working holiday visas in Australia  were already available for 18-30 year olds. (and not just for UK, French  and others also have access to this)

I think the new arrangements extends that to 35yr olds.

So sure there a change but its a bit 'meh'.  UK 30-35 year olds can now get working holiday visas for Australia...... other Europeans 30-35 years will get left out. Not sure how many will care, and those that do can probably get a different visa class.

My son is pissed that the new rules make it harder for him to work in Europe next year in his gap year. He was looking at some of the holiday companies and most now require Europe Passport or residency.... so his hope of working the alps doesn't look too likely.

 

[AnIdiot]

Just because your theoretical kids may have lost their gap year / holiday job jollies, far more young people came from the EU than our own kids going to the EU, we should be feeling sorry for those kids. If the EU had thought the long term relationship with the UK through a bit better, that could / should have been resolved in the Brexit negotiations. The EU's insistance of retaining FOM for all meant your theoretical kids EU opportunities were somewhat curtailed, don't blame Boris for that. By the way, afternoon Jack

Our kids now have other countries that have reciprocal visa arrangements that the EU kids don't have, its a big beautiful world out there and in some ways going to other countries than the EU may well educate them better than to take the local easy jolly that comes across too many less affluent kids, as simply well off spoilt brat fun times, rather than true opportunity.

Equally it may pain you and other readers of this thread, but you guys need to expand your horizons other than whining on about the EU, its not all roses in the EU and when the Euro printing presses shut off, then our kids may well not want to work in the EU, its going to be a financial wreck.

You seem to be fabricating.

My kids are real, why imagine they are not?

I do feel sorry for EU kids who have lost the opportunity to come to the UK, why would I not?

Why wouldn't I blame Boris+the Brexiteers? The EU negotiated in good faith AFAICT, their position on FOM was clear all the way through: Britain could not have it's cake & eat it. The Brexiteers had to face reality and close a deal that lost us more than we gained.

You know I am not Jack

They don't: see other posts on this... and recognise that a working holiday in Australia/NZ, with an expensive long-haul flight and a visa application is a different prospect to picking up a casual job anywhere in Europe that's that's a £20 Ryanair flight away... It's the spoilt brats that get the former.... and the less well off that benefit from the latter. 

My horizons are pretty broad (as are those of many of the readers of this thread), hence we see the value in EU membership. One of the major impacts of Brexit is that we are becoming more insular: Global Britain is a slogan, not an opportunity: the opportunity is for big business and the rich, not for the man-in-the street.

You are just making stuff up... empty words. Back it up with some evidence or figures... even some real experience would help.

 Based on lies and deceit: just like Brexit itself.

 

[Waynemarlow]

just like Brexit itself.

So are you going to forever hate Brexit, blame it for everything happening in the UK and continue to waste your time and my time in replying, on something that has no return other than at the Ballot Box which you can't participate in ?

 

[AnIdiot]

So are you going to forever hate Brexit,

I expect so. Brexit and it's collateral damage are destroying the country I grew up in... would be nice if that changed but it's not looking likely at the moment.

...blame it for everything happening in the UK ...

No, not everything (don't think Covid was caused by brexit, for example). The appalling government behaviour in response does seem to be linked, though, as per my earlier post.

and continue to waste your time and my time in replying, on something that has no return...

 I live in hope. the UK has a long history of pragmatism; we can hope this is a temporary aberration.

..other than at the Ballot Box which you can't participate in ?

I've been voting in favour of the EU (amongst other policies) for most of my life and don't see that changing soon.

You are making stuff up again. Seems to be pretty common behaviour amongst those who are pro-brexit: it doesn't help to build trust. "Vote for me, I'm a liar who promises the undeliverable!"

No thanks.

 

[Waynemarlow]

You are making stuff up again. Seems to be pretty common behaviour amongst those who are pro-brexit: it doesn't help to build trust. "Vote for me, I'm a liar who promises the undeliverable!"

For a man living in Australia using a pseudenym of AnIdiot, writing on a sailing forum in a thread that should be in PA, thats a bit rich.

 

[AnIdiot]

For a man living in Australia using a pseudenym of AnIdiot, writing on a sailing forum in a thread that should be in PA, thats a bit rich.

Words fail me. I cannot comprehend. 

 

[cms]

Is this you in the article Whyne?

Kettering pub celebrates Brexit with anniversary bash | Northamptonshire Telegraph (northantstelegraph.co.uk)

 

[LeoV]

Here we go, NI DUP stirring shit up.


N Ireland minister halts post-Brexit agriculture customs checks



Move by DUP’s Edwin Poots in defiance of trading rules put in place after UK left the EU.
 
https://www.ft.com/content/85eb4178-a2f9-4453-a6c1-12e457070a44
DUP is well known to gamble wrong. The question now is whether the Northern Ireland Civil Service will obey what is, on its face, an illegal directive.

 

[cms]

Gotcha Whyne! You make as much sense in your BBC interview as you do here. Hats off mate. You are a star.

No need for experts now that we have Wayne's world - Dorset Eye

 

[cms]

Lucky Jack isn't here. It would kill him ...

 

[Waynemarlow]

Gotcha Whyne! You make as much sense in your BBC interview as you do here. Hats off mate. You are a star.

No need for experts now that we have Wayne's world - Dorset Eye

Oooh oooh exciting, did you have a careful, no one looking wank in your excitement? All over finding some guy called Wayne on a BBC interview, bet it took you hours and hours of your very wasted time to find it, but did it keep you from hitting the Like button on everything Jack comes up with.

Keep it up CuMS, your Scottish ancestry is showing through.

 

[Jambalaya]

NI stirring things up @LeoV ? Thats comedy gold. The EU from day 1 has sought to weaponise a historical terrorist conflict for political and economic benefit

The DUP have done the right thing. SPS checks will end tonight. They invite SF to discuss but they declined. Leo you need to understand they have done this as they were about to lose a legal challenge against the protocol by a Unionist politician/lawyer Jamie Bryson. Jamie will win his case which says that the whole NIP breaches the GFA as it was enacted without Stormont (something I have been saying repeatedly)

As many wags on Twitter have been saying we imagine the entire Single Market will now collapse as a flood of illegal animal

products enter the EU via Republic of Ireland. Not.

 

[Sea warrior]

NI stirring things up @LeoV ? Thats comedy gold. The EU from day 1 has sought to weaponise a historical terrorist conflict for political and economic benefit

The DUP have done the right thing. SPS checks will end tonight. They invite SF to discuss but they declined. Leo you need to understand they have done this as they were about to lose a legal challenge against the protocol by a Unionist politician/lawyer Jamie Bryson. Jamie will win his case which says that the whole NIP breaches the GFA as it was enacted without Stormont (something I have been saying repeatedly)

As many wags on Twitter have been saying we imagine the entire Single Market will now collapse as a flood of illegal animal

products enter the EU via Republic of Ireland. Not.

Jamrag, you really are a stupid cunt.

 

[LeoV]

If the devolved government has sovereignty on this issue, on what basis did the UK government take Northern Ireland out of the EU?

Why are the EU negotiating with the UK if it’s “a matter for the Northern Ireland Executive”?

UK government says devolved authorities do not have to follow international law. An extraordinary and ridiculous statement, but one the Scottish government for one may well be particularly interested in.

Constantly making up policy on the hoof to protect a lying Prime Minister. Northern Ireland Protocol problems are traced easily back to his lies denying what he signed, and subsequent steps to somehow undo it.

It‘s incredibly ironic that the logical consequence of a step taken to bring NI closer to GB would be to start treating NI as entirely separate from Westminster.
I, for one, am looking forward to Wales negotiating an FTA with Patagonia.

 

[Upp3]

I had been lead to beleive that on the new deals arranged with Aus and NZ ( has that been ratified ) that reciprocal holiday visas for the under 25's had been agreed. Correct me if I'm wrong as I was basing that on a friend from NZ was dispatching their nipper over for a gap year and seemed to think that only a holiday visa was needed to work until 25.

Mind you with the present shut down of both NZ and Aus its almost bit academic to say the least.

India again was being used as a political posturing point.

Quick check form NZ immigration site gives same options for 23 years old who wishes to work or study there, regardless if you are from UK of FI. But yeah, covid has made things hairy as things can change quite fast.

 

[Sea warrior]

The more I think about Poot’s move the more I realize it’s most likely the last sting of the dying wasp. Sure, it might hurt but it it’s not going to kill us.

The ballyraggers of the six, the bastard children of empire, the Unionists, they are done.

 

[LeoV]

DUP is funny;
DUP leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson urges Boris Johnson to “do what other PMs did” and prioritise the crisis in Northern Ireland, instead of being distracted by controversies in Downing Street.

https://twitter.com/skydavidblevins/status/1490006706818101251

 

[Jambalaya]

If the devolved government has sovereignty on this issue, on what basis did the UK government take Northern Ireland out of the EU?

Why are the EU negotiating with the UK if it’s “a matter for the Northern Ireland Executive”?

UK government says devolved authorities do not have to follow international law. An extraordinary and ridiculous statement, but one the Scottish government for one may well be particularly interested in.

Constantly making up policy on the hoof to protect a lying Prime Minister. Northern Ireland Protocol problems are traced easily back to his lies denying what he signed, and subsequent steps to somehow undo it.

It‘s incredibly ironic that the logical consequence of a step taken to bring NI closer to GB would be to start treating NI as entirely separate from Westminster.
I, for one, am looking forward to Wales negotiating an FTA with Patagonia.

I believe the logic was that international treaties are not a devolved matter so UK went ahead. My own view (backed up by Jamie Bryson's court case) is in agreement with Poots that Stormont/both communities must approve the NIP as it changes the status of NI wrt UK. Now Poots invited Sinn Fein to vote on NIP and they declined. Hence he said "stop the checks". The NIP breaches the GFA, that's been my view all along. The Protocol is unworkable and will continue to be suspended/not applied and areas in which that is the case will only grow. It's a bit like EU's threat to erect a hard border, it simply cannot happen the Republic won't do it and anyone who tries will be shot dead/blown up. That's why EU "no deal" solution was to put all checks on mainland Europe basically treating British and Republic of Ireland lorries the same