Brexit, WTF

[jack_sparrow]

@Waynemarlow just deleted a post that started with the words "where have I ever said that"..oops I have for months.. before I could tag a reply and imbed it, that post is now gone...

Wayne is now on the run. Fucking trolling Cockwarbler.

 

[Laser1]

Oh I don’t know, ....................... perhaps if she cared about her life in the UK as she purports to then she would have availed herself of the opportunity to become a full fledged citizen.

and by the way, she didn’t need to “change her citizenship” You fear mongerer, she could have easily become a dual citizen but she didn’t and now she must face the consequences of her poor choices.

Get off your soap box Sea looser and educate yourself before making a complete imbicile of yourself.............  oops ..... too late.

(with apologies to present Brit company)

I see no reason why I should trade in my EU man card to become a Brit. As much as I like being here, I'm no Brit and I will never be accepted as a Brit. My accent gives me away and the colour of my passport will not change that.  Also a few countries do not allow dual nationalities so applying for the blue passport would mean throwing away their own nationality and part of their heritage. @cms (UK citizen, living in France for 10 years. Proud to be British....good on you!) It also costs a shit ton of money and you have to sit an exam that half the Brits wouldn't even be able to complete themselves.

The problem the EU citizens in the UK have is that the home office and plenty of others are inherently racist and have a nationalistic agenda. (something Wayne did not want to be reminded of).  Garage and his lot, and the reserve Ukip (cons) party have been spouting that verbal diarrhea for years now and it has gone down a treat with the great unwashed.

Indeed ............  you don't know shit!!

 

[jack_sparrow]

Indeed ............  you don't know shit!!

Laser I think Sea Loser/Randumb  he aspires to knowing the "don't no shit" bit. But what's below that bit??? Like where does shit come from or something?? Confused people confuse me.

 

[Unkle Krusty]

@Waynemarlow just deleted a post that started with the words "where have I ever said that"..oops I have for months.. before I could tag a reply and imbed it, that post is now gone...

Wayne is now on the run. Fucking trolling Cockwarbler.

More than once Wayne has said Supply and Demand, are the basis of all business things. Lately followed with " it is a dog eat dog world " It would seem to me, that the demand for UK products will shrink, and the supply of UK products will suffer. No amount of UK perceived quality can fix that problem. My UK sourced bike part ( made in Italy ) was ordered last week, and on its way. An example of a purchasing decision. Two bikes, a Duke 390 made in India, and a Ninja 400 made in Japan. The Duke has some quality issues and a bunch of benefits. The Ninja has some strong points, and no quality issues. Making the same kind of purchasing decision, I think many will go with a safer supply, and that will not be from the UK. But prove me wrong.

 

[LeoV]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/02/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-threatening-to-deselect-tory-rebels-to-provoke-early-election-claims-gauke-live-news?page=with:block-5d6ce9bb8f08399d62f59771#block-5d6ce9bb8f08399d62f59771

Really even JRM is spouting about remoaners. You ask a serious question and this is what you get.
Unbelievable...you know politicians are in trouble if they only can attack the opponent.

Jacob Rees-Mogg has accused a doctor of “fear-mongering” after he challenged the Commons Leader to say how many people he would accept could die as a result of a no-deal Brexit. As the Press Association reports, Dr David Nicol, a consultant urologist involved in the Operation Yellowhammer report into the impact of a no-deal Brexit on the NHS, called in to LBC’s Ring Rees-Mogg show to ask what “mortality rate” he would accept if the UK crashed out of the EU without a deal.
Nicol asked:
Having been involved in writing the plans for mitigation and having whistle-blown because I felt they were unsafe, what level of mortality rate are you willing to accept in the light of a no-deal Brexit?

Rees-Mogg replied:

I don’t think there’s any reason to suppose that a no-deal Brexit should lead to a mortality rate. I think this is the worst excess of Project Fear and I’m surprised that a doctor in your position would be fear-mongering in this way on public radio.
As PA reports, Nicol told the prominent Brexiter:
Can I remind you I wrote the plans of mitigation?

But Rees-Mogg replied:
Well you didn’t write very good plans if you hadn’t worked out how to mitigate, had you? It’s fortunate they are being written by other people now who are serious about mitigating, rather than remoaners.

Nicol said people could die because of potential problems with access to drugs and radioactive isotopes in the event of a no-deal Brexit.
Rees-Mogg said there were “reserve plans to fly drugs in if necessary”.
He said:
This is a major focus of government policy. I think it’s deeply irresponsible, Dr Nicol, of you to call in and try to spread fear across the country.I think it’s typical of remainer campaigners and you should be quite ashamed, I’m afraid.

 

[huey 2]

 

[LeoV]

Rightly so'; Bojo is a clown, here is plan for NI.

 

[LeoV]

BJ plan for Brexit;
Stuff still get leaked;
As just told @KayBurley on @SkyNews we understand the cabinet to be told at 5pm that:
- the concern is the EU "are not under any real pressure to engage on solutions until they know the process is not going to be taken over by Parliament."
- until then EU say Brits not serious
- "The EU will only get down to serious talks when they know they have to face the choice between a deal or no deal, with the third option of extension / referendum / revocation definitively ruled out".
"So what happens in Parliament in the next ten days will be critical. If we emerge with renewed authority, we can then get talking seriously through Sept and up to Oct European Council"
- Claims EU Com "are willing to look at alternatives"
(On Backstop) "We have preliminary worked-up legal texts plus assessments of the legal and process changes needed to replace checks otherwise required at Irish border, and will feed all these in at the right moment"
- "Obviously the EU will not welcome any of this. My concern is that the are not under any real pressure to engage on solutions until they know the process is not being taken over by Parliament."

 

[LeoV]

They say the EU was never serious... what they actually mean, the Eu never gave in...

So BJ oomph still not working, they need to be able to go No Deal to get a deal, yeah right, friendly neighbours they are.

 

[batkinmok]

Okay so theres way too much going on here to be quoting. I migrated to canada from germany five years ago, but most of my family still lives in germany and i have a few good british friends and a german friend of mine is studying in exeter. Wayne and sea warrior (what are you even doing here as an american?): Do you have no heart or brains? my german friend studying in exeter is screwed, and all my british friends, who are highly qualified people in their fields, are fuckn pissed, and theyre running. they are securing themselves proper EU passports and jobs in france, germany and the netherlands right now, because instead of being part of one of the biggest, most diverse societies in the world they would be doomed to rot on some shitty rainy island. Do You Understand What This Means?? Highly educated people are literally fleeing from the UK in huge numbers. Theres gonna be no one left but old people and the undereducated who cant escape with their skills. think about that for a minute. and then theres the huge economic disaster that jack &co have pointed out here more than enough so i wont get into that. Im not actually concerned about my family, because even though brexit will hurt the Eu as a whole, it seems to be likely to take the shock without too much impact. but i do feel for my british friends and their families. especially the lower and lower middleclass will really feel it. the pound having gone to shit already affects people, and it doesnt look like itll get better. btw 17 out of 45 million voters isnt exactly a majority. its just a minor case of trumpism. a few dumb have been tricked into voting against their interests and the opposition didnt show up because they were too sure of their victory. shit happens. lets have another referendum. 

And Wayne, as you keep pointing out, whats been decided has been decided and whats done is done and theres no changing it and everyone here is wasting their time.

A. Its still fun to discuss things with people, i find. Aaand

B. Why the hell do you keep replying? and do you just take the deafitist position of "oh well cant change anything now" like a looser or do you actually support brexit?

Anyway i could go on and on about how the brits are about to shoot themselves in both kneecaps and how sea warrior doesnt understand anything about anything when hes talking about that poor woman not having citizenship and about how any brit with half a brain is completely against brexit, but i gotta go. have a nice day gentlemen!

 

[Waynemarlow]

@Waynemarlow just deleted a post that started with the words "where have I ever said that"..oops I have for months.. before I could tag a reply and imbed it, that post is now gone...

Wayne is now on the run. Fucking trolling Cockwarbler.

Ah not to my knowledge,  not guilty of deleting anything, I notice post 9735 has most of what I said so I guess it must have been on here for a period of time. Perhaps MamboKings has reported it as offending his sensitive nature, would be interesting if it has ?

No need to run from anything unlike you Jack who is cutting and running as soon as any sort of business pressure came on, to your favorite tax haven.

 

[KC375]

At what point does the EU say - Brexit is a distraction from other priorities. Yes I believe the EU would prefer Brexit not happen. But like the boy who cried wolf... "Nobody believes a liar...even when he is telling the truth!"

Even if somehow there is another request to extend why would the EU grant it - unless there was clear path with reasonable probability of definitively withdrawing article 50.

The withdrawal agreement is as it is based on UK (or at least Theresa May's) red lines. There is no sign BJ would erase any of those lines, so no reason to imagine a different outcome.

At a certain stage the EU has to shrug, and with regret, move on. That would not be irrational. What are the plausible outcomes?

Some parliamentary coup leading to an extension. That would only seem reasonable to accept if clear likelihood of a different outcome from past extensions.

BJ blinks at the last minute and accepts WA or a slight variation allowing him to claim he heroically stood up for the UK/Brexit/Referendum Democracy/Peoples choice etc. Set's him up for a massive majority on the back of a lie that won't be appreciated until well after the election. That then sets the EU up to negotiate the future relationship with a Europhobe, unreliable, pathological liar. That's not very enticing.

BJ goes of the cliff and exits with no deal. Well that may actually best for Brussels. Yes there will be a period of mutal pain. The pain will be felt disproportionatly by the UK. The UK will then be at its weakest in negotiating the future relationship with the EU. The EU might rationally accept a few years of pain to position itself for extracting a much more favourable future relationship with the UK (or England depending on wether there still is a UK).

Demographics suggest the UK may be ready to rejoin the EU within a generation. The pain of no deal and a losing negotiation on the future relationship may actually bring the UK back to the EU even faster...especially with a little encouragement/further weakened position by Scottish and NI moving away from/separation from the UK. The UK might be easier to live with after it has finally realized the empire is gone, and they are just another small European post colonial country in a world with some seriously big powers (China and the US). Then the UK could be brought back into the EU on terms the EU relishes.

Taking the long view - maybe the EU should give the UK a push.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Remember this post around this time last month.

.....What is the UK's No Deal Tarriff's going to be? We have contracts we have to write and have no idea just months out now what we charge our EU clients and how.

The Tarriff Schedules published over 6 months ago (and reaffirmed yesterday) which aren't WTO compliant or the WTO standard schedule? Which one is it going to be? Can we rely on anything coming from the Republic using the UK as a land bridge won't be double taxed etc? We need to know.

3. The answer my cousin got on Tuesday (the day before Gove going to Dover for a sound bite) in person from a Whitehall suit at the very top of the tree was; "don't quote me but we have no fucking idea what is going on, Cummings at #10 is running the show and anyone who disagrees with him is either sacked or they retire". So join Customs and Revenue Chief who has already stepped down in advance.

The operative words were "don't quote me but we have no fucking idea what is going on, Cummings at #10 is running the show and anyone who disagrees with him is either sacked or they retire".

Then nearly a month later last week stuff like this appears.

Sajid Javid 'furious with Boris Johnson' after special adviser sacked by PM's top aide

Seems our intelligence was on the money. To cut to the chase.

In conjunction with industry our mear €250/300K per day UK/EU business have been putting to MP's including the Chairman of the HOC Standing  International Commitee this simple request.

In plain English it was; get from the Minister for UK Trade advice as to what in the fuck is going on? Our "just in time" Agri Food business can't accommodate a No Deal.

Here is a sample of that Commitee/Ministerial correspondence:

1. Before Boris took over from Liam Fox to Committee Chair re EU Trade Agreements

2. After Boris took over Commitee Chair Letter to Liz Truss on impacts of No Deal dated 31 July  A letter never responded to by Liz Truss. 

3. Finally a Letter from the Chair of the Committee Chairman to Liz Truss about No Deal dated 12 August 2019  Again a letter never responded to by Liz Truss.

For nearly 60 years we have regarded ourselves to be a small cog in the UK economy and gone through thick and thin in that period. We have now just found out the UK Govt and 52% of the people don't want us anymore. Family members in 2 world wars went over and defended the joint, some didn't come home.

After 3 years of bullshit and our 60 years business investment, much beyond that and just ignored we have had enough. So with heavy heart we have now packed our bags and left. 

PS. Now trying to work out with our new French distribution centre come Nov which VG boat we might give a few bucks to get a sticker on so I can get access to the dock at Les Sables-d'Olonne. I also believe in Karma.. so Liz, you have committed your constituents to eating their pets with that fake photo shoot. Lucky you have somehow got hold of the big Dulux dog. Eat it up.

 

[LeoV]

How longer the extension how more time for EU people and business to slowly adapt. That process is seriously ongoing since March.
And it is better for the UK person on the street, they are still EU citizens. And for EU citizens in the UK.
On the other hand as you say, they are really getting pissed by BJ Oomph and undemocratic lies.
It only takes one country to veto.

 

[jack_sparrow]

No need to run from anything unlike you Jack who is cutting and running as soon as any sort of business pressure came on, to your favorite tax haven.

You have run out of places to run to is my guess Wayne. Hope have a large pet...you are going to need it.

 

[Waynemarlow]

Hope have a large pet Wayne.

You are my pet Jack, you are my guilty moment each day watching you thrash around spending 20 hours a day, 363 days a year tapppety tap tap, tap tap, so easy to wind up and so easy to read when you do go all puerile and infantile with all your swearing.

 

[jack_sparrow]

Wayne I think your guilty moment is you are not a UK citizen and you are shitting your pants you won't get permanent residency. You could be Boris's new Windrush poster boy. Mad is right you are a Yarpee or maybe a K1W1 on borrowed time.

 

[troll99]

I admit I never heard about Moogs Ree. Looking at pictures of him and I get impression that he is cold hearted calculating wolf with lamb skin. He could be child molester as well.

I read an interesting article about high profile politicians who grew up in boarding school without contacts with parents. No wonder they lack understanding of normal human relationships and the world. Only a fucking game in the house.

 

[troll99]

Jack where are your big post about him? YOU PROMISED PART 3, 4 AND 5 hehe 

 

[Waynemarlow]

I read an interesting article about high profile politicians who grew up in boarding school without contacts with parents. No wonder they lack understanding of normal human relationships and the world. Only a fucking game in the house.

You do realise Jack was a prep school and then onward to a boarding school " kiddie"