Brooks & Shithouse

SPORTSCAR

Super Anarchist
36 years since my first bad experience of this over rated crap, little has changed. 

1983 owner came up from his lavishly equipped Nav station and announced that he was now the proud owner of an umpteen thousand dollar B & G clock because his brand new system had failed. He drily added that even the clock was only accurate twice a day. Fast forward to 2019 and a very similar scenario with screens full of irrelevant numbers or no numbers. Lets hear about your experiences with B & G

 

LionessRacing

Super Anarchist
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592
Myrtle Beach,
From the original gray boxes named for ancient Saxons, to the H5000, the instruments are pretty good, the support and documentation “British”, similar to any UK built system. 

 

LionessRacing

Super Anarchist
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592
Myrtle Beach,
I’ve never bought Mexican systems, had assumed that like Italian they just didn’t bother much with documentation.  Looked at small Ag tractors back in 2010, John Deere was OEM’ing the Goldini. Dealer said they would really prefer to not sell one, while the Italians did good work, the manuals f they existed didn’t translate. 

 
I have  the following B&G setup:

H5000 Computer

H5000 Pilot Computer

H5000 Pilot Controller

Pilot Remote

Rudder Reference

Vertical MHU

4 x H5000 Graphic Display

2 x Zeus MFD

ZG100 GPS

RC42N Rate Compass

V50 VHF + H50 Remote

DST 

In three years (after dealing with two items that were DOA), I've had a single failure (the PCB in the Vertical MHU), possibly due to nearby lightning.

No complaints here.

 

micha571

Member
323
6
Germany
I have a Hydra2000 system which was installed somewhere around the end of the 90ies... and still works flawlessly. 

Hydra2000 processor

Halcyon2000 compass

MHU213 wind vane

Sonic Speed Sensor

Depth sensor

two FFD-displays

two 20/20 mast displays (added later)

I have changed the compass once because it was dead, but other than that, I can't complain, either.

 

sailorman44

Member
281
71
CT/FL
Back in 97 I sailed with a guy who had a Swan 42. Seemed like every time we prepped for a race or cruse he had to get the B & G tech out to the boat to get the instruments working again. It has forever turned me off of B & G. 

 
My last two boats had Nexus systems. Had the previous boat 15 years without a problem. The current boat is going on 18 years. Had to replace the wind transducer and the multis are starting to fail. Don't what I am going to replace the Nexus with. Hate Garmin for fucking up Nexus but the alternative is B & G.
 

LionessRacing

Super Anarchist
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592
Myrtle Beach,
Various nationalities have stereotypical styles to their hardware, which can be found in their Automobiles, airplanes and appliances

  • Swiss build elegant things to run forever; without regard to cost
  • Japanese make it simple, elegant and cheap
  • Koreans make it simpler, more elegant and cheaper
  • Chinese make it simplest, and cheapest
  • Taiwanese make it cheaper, complex and elegant 
  • Russians make it indestructible enough to be used by peasants and usually powerful
  • Italians make it exotic, high featured and fragile (and that's just their ag tractors...) 
  • Germans make it high featured, low frequency of maintenance and expensive
  • French toggle between Italian and German sensibilities, often with the worst aspects of both
  • British make splendid equipment that's high maintenance, generally unreliable but looks great sitting there  
 

JL92S

Super Anarchist
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427
UK
We have a H5000 setup on a Sunfast 3600 with twin Pilot rams, 3 multifunctional displays and a Zeus3 plotter. Only issue we’ve ever had is the Zeus overheating in the cockpit but otherwise it’s been a good system with the highlight being the autopilot. You’d need to start spending serious cash to get a better system, the Sailmon stuff gets some good reviews. In Lymington, UK we have A&T instruments started out servicing B&G instrumentation (and they still do) but then began to develop their own hardware which looks very similar to B&G but the manufacturing quality is leagues ahead. Their stuff can also be fully integrated into an existing b&g system. That’s where my money would go if I felt I needed more.

 

b393capt

Anarchist
I have  the following B&G setup:

H5000 Computer

H5000 3D Motion Sensor

3 x H5000 Graphic Display

5 x Triton2

2 x Zeus3 7" MFD's

Precision 9 Compass

GPS (I forgot which)

AIS (I forgot which)

H5000 integrates smoothly over Ethernet /Websockets to a PC with Expedition

Installed on a J/109 as an upgrade from an Occam. 

I am very happy with it. Read about the install and NMEA2000 in the February 2018 Practical Sailor magazine edition.

https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/44_2/features/Testing-the-BG-Zeus3-Nav-System_12355-1.html

I highly recommend Eric Steinberg as a dealer and for installation advice. He specializes in grand prix racing yacht systems from One Design to America's Cup. 
http://www.farallon.us/webstore/index1.html?aboutus.html&1

 
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Moonduster

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First for a grossly inaccurate and vacuous generalization:

Various nationalities have stereotypical styles to their hardware

And now for the main course:

Tell me sportscar, what sailing instrumentation do you prefer? Can you name another manufacturer who's been at it for 50 years, has always sold the leading high-end instrumentation, has multiple product lines and the best displays and sensors on the market?

Could it be that the owners with which you're familiar have purchased expensive hardware at a steep discount and failed to have it professionally installed and calibrated and then, rather than deal with their poor choices, they just whine endlessly? Because certainly the vast majority of owners seem satisfied with their instrumentation ... maybe it's just you?

WTF?

 

Rawhide

Super Anarchist
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Pittwater
I've got the full H5000 performance set up. No real issues. A few areas where I would have expected better functionality, but is there any real alternative? 

 

LionessRacing

Super Anarchist
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592
Myrtle Beach,
First for a grossly inaccurate and vacuous generalization:

Various nationalities have stereotypical styles to their hardware

And now for the main course:

Tell me sportscar, what sailing instrumentation do you prefer? Can you name another manufacturer who's been at it for 50 years, has always sold the leading high-end instrumentation, has multiple product lines and the best displays and sensors on the market?

Could it be that the owners with which you're familiar have purchased expensive hardware at a steep discount and failed to have it professionally installed and calibrated and then, rather than deal with their poor choices, they just whine endlessly? Because certainly the vast majority of owners seem satisfied with their instrumentation ... maybe it's just you?

WTF?
I've owned two FIAT 124 Spider's and a Porsche 986 that I would call "sportscars" for fun driving, and a pair of '67 bugs that I could bash together to get one to run. 

(And for family transportation in the last 20 years : a Saab 900, Volvo S80 and Turbo wagon, Mercedes E350 Bluetec, 2x Ford Escape, Mazda MiniVan, Chrysler Grand caravan, Pontiac Grand Am, Ford Explorer, Chevy Blazer & Silverado 1500 with snowplows, as well as a Chevy 3500 HD 16' flatbed, two 20 HP Kubota diesel Ag tractors and there's a Westerbeke in Lioness) 

The (used) Fiat's were lot of fun and generally unreliable but never needed to be,  the Porsche Boxster was bulletproof, with an engine somewhere behind the driver that I never did see. 

I have quite a bit of B&G as noted above. (try reading the # 2 post ) and am generally satisfied with it. 

The B&G gear has gotten a lot better since Navico bought them, and they currently have Support and development in New Hampshire,  Kansas, and NZ as well as UK. Their manuals are still as opaque as ever though their website is a lot better the last year. 

Their dealers are fine,  I bought mine from Farallon at full list except my MFD & Sonar Hub & transducers as those were not an item that the dealer added particular value to, and the online discounting was significant. I was happy to pay for the value of the consultation, and advice, and had the shakedown  

Maybe it's just you that has to pick a fight when there's none to be had?

Clearly humor is lost on you dude. 

 

gn4478

Member
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Perth Amboy, NJ
B&G Zeus 2 with Triton2 displays. Wind speed and depth package. Interfacing with a ray marine autopilot via the 0183 output from the Zeus 2.  System interfaces with a windows 10 computer running expedition with output displays, Garmin GNX 120 in cockpit. Works well.

 

Moonduster

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pussycat driftabout,

My sense of humor remains intact. Perhaps you should re-read from the beginning of the thread, context (unlike your taste is cars) is everything.

 

bushsailor

Anarchist
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193
QLD Australia
I have a h5000 system that has never worked well or accurately. Unclear why.

One issue will get fixed and another immediately appears.

It was installed by some of the best, re tuned, installed again, etc etc.

Autopilot is the same. An old back up tillerpilot is lightyears better at steering the boat.

 




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