Builder's Report

TVHSD

Member
I’m sitting in the JAL lounge at Tokyo waiting for the flight home to San Diego after a 4 day visit to the builder’s yard in Xiamen, China. It was a very good trip and I come away with many positive thoughts and a whole lot of work to do to get this ship moving again.

This was my second visit to Hansheng. My son Kyle and I first went in March 2006 as FT 10 hull number one was just being completed. The yard is alive and well with many projects in the works both for the Chinese market and for export. They are well managed and have retained much of the same experienced work force that I met some 3 years ago. I am pleased to have such a strong partner in this project and we were able to solve all of our outstanding issues. Admittedly it’s a challenging market at the moment for boat sales of any kind but I am confident that things will improve and that our product line is well situated for when the wind does fill in.

We are shipping 2 FT 7.5 models to San Diego before the end of this year. They will available for purchase and placement into the charter fleet at Harbor Sailboats. Charter placement provides the owner an opportunity to the defray costs while sailing as much as he or she likes. There will be a maximum of 5 boats available for purchase under this program that will also form the nucleolus of the San Diego One Design fleet. In other words your boat earns income, we maintain it, you race the full one design schedule, and the fleet is born. Call me if you want more information.

Now about the FT 10. I understand that is the reason why most of you are here and we have not lost our drive for this boat. While at the yard we went over many technical items related to the build and fitting out of the 10. I am keenly aware that many current owners are concerned with the need for some aftermarket improvements to the boat. We have looked closely at this situation are committed to continual improvement of the build. There will always be a need to balance performance with costs but never at the expense of seaworthiness. Neither we nor our partners have any interest in building a “cheap” product. Our goal is to provide the highest quality vessel at great value to their owners with no compromises that effect safety. As the fleet evolves and determines what improvements are needed we will listen closely and if possible, incorporate them into the build.

I suggest that all FT 10 owners stay involved with the class association and the decisions regarding technical discussions. Make sure your voice is heard as somewhere between extremes is consensus. And above all get out, sail your boat and have fun. It’s the best way to protect your investment.

The Flying Tiger was born here and has enjoyed much early success. As we regroup our efforts we will continue to sponsor this forum and take the good with the bad.

And now I am going to get on an aluminum can, pop a few Tylenol PM and wake up in Los Angeles.

Tom Hirsh

[email protected] cell 619-889-9568

 

Christian

Super Anarchist
I'm sitting in the JAL lounge at Tokyo waiting for the flight home to San Diego after a 4 day visit to the builder's yard in Xiamen, China. It was a very good trip and I come away with many positive thoughts and a whole lot of work to do to get this ship moving again.
This was my second visit to Hansheng. My son Kyle and I first went in March 2006 as FT 10 hull number one was just being completed. The yard is alive and well with many projects in the works both for the Chinese market and for export. They are well managed and have retained much of the same experienced work force that I met some 3 years ago. I am pleased to have such a strong partner in this project and we were able to solve all of our outstanding issues. Admittedly it's a challenging market at the moment for boat sales of any kind but I am confident that things will improve and that our product line is well situated for when the wind does fill in.

We are shipping 2 FT 7.5 models to San Diego before the end of this year. They will available for purchase and placement into the charter fleet at Harbor Sailboats. Charter placement provides the owner an opportunity to the defray costs while sailing as much as he or she likes. There will be a maximum of 5 boats available for purchase under this program that will also form the nucleolus of the San Diego One Design fleet. In other words your boat earns income, we maintain it, you race the full one design schedule, and the fleet is born. Call me if you want more information.

Now about the FT 10. I understand that is the reason why most of you are here and we have not lost our drive for this boat. While at the yard we went over many technical items related to the build and fitting out of the 10. I am keenly aware that many current owners are concerned with the need for some aftermarket improvements to the boat. We have looked closely at this situation are committed to continual improvement of the build. There will always be a need to balance performance with costs but never at the expense of seaworthiness. Neither we nor our partners have any interest in building a "cheap" product. Our goal is to provide the highest quality vessel at great value to their owners with no compromises that effect safety. As the fleet evolves and determines what improvements are needed we will listen closely and if possible, incorporate them into the build.

I suggest that all FT 10 owners stay involved with the class association and the decisions regarding technical discussions. Make sure your voice is heard as somewhere between extremes is consensus. And above all get out, sail your boat and have fun. It's the best way to protect your investment.

The Flying Tiger was born here and has enjoyed much early success. As we regroup our efforts we will continue to sponsor this forum and take the good with the bad.

And now I am going to get on an aluminum can, pop a few Tylenol PM and wake up in Los Angeles.

Tom Hirsh

[email protected] cell 619-889-9568
Tom,

Sounds like you are on a good path to get the FT rolling along. I agree with you that if well executed, it can be a great boat for the market - even in a tough market.

If I may offer a suggestion (if you are ready for it) is to publish what the current deal is - i.e. price, terms, what you get with the boat (full list of features/specs), items that are under consideration for upgrade (i.e. rudder, running rigging, sails, SS that doesn't turn brown when it is withn 5 miles of saltwater, whatever). I am sure (I surely hope so) you have a better appreciation than Bill that prospective customers would like to know axactly what they are getting rather than "you will be happy with what we get you"

 

Team Subterfuge

Anarchist
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16
San Diego
Thanks for keeping us informed.

Also, thanks for inviting input. I hope that the owners could come up with a frame work to submit suggested improvements that can simultaneously meet approval of the class and builder. For example, submitting suggestions to the technical committee. I look forward to the process.

 

Bush_is_a_moron

Super Anarchist
2,315
1
I’m sitting in the JAL lounge at Tokyo waiting for the flight home to San Diego after a 4 day visit to the builder’s yard in Xiamen, China. It was a very good trip and I come away with many positive thoughts and a whole lot of work to do to get this ship moving again.
This was my second visit to Hansheng. My son Kyle and I first went in March 2006 as FT 10 hull number one was just being completed. The yard is alive and well with many projects in the works both for the Chinese market and for export. They are well managed and have retained much of the same experienced work force that I met some 3 years ago. I am pleased to have such a strong partner in this project and we were able to solve all of our outstanding issues. Admittedly it’s a challenging market at the moment for boat sales of any kind but I am confident that things will improve and that our product line is well situated for when the wind does fill in.

We are shipping 2 FT 7.5 models to San Diego before the end of this year. They will available for purchase and placement into the charter fleet at Harbor Sailboats. Charter placement provides the owner an opportunity to the defray costs while sailing as much as he or she likes. There will be a maximum of 5 boats available for purchase under this program that will also form the nucleolus of the San Diego One Design fleet. In other words your boat earns income, we maintain it, you race the full one design schedule, and the fleet is born. Call me if you want more information.

Now about the FT 10. I understand that is the reason why most of you are here and we have not lost our drive for this boat. While at the yard we went over many technical items related to the build and fitting out of the 10. I am keenly aware that many current owners are concerned with the need for some aftermarket improvements to the boat. We have looked closely at this situation are committed to continual improvement of the build. There will always be a need to balance performance with costs but never at the expense of seaworthiness. Neither we nor our partners have any interest in building a “cheap” product. Our goal is to provide the highest quality vessel at great value to their owners with no compromises that effect safety. As the fleet evolves and determines what improvements are needed we will listen closely and if possible, incorporate them into the build.

I suggest that all FT 10 owners stay involved with the class association and the decisions regarding technical discussions. Make sure your voice is heard as somewhere between extremes is consensus. And above all get out, sail your boat and have fun. It’s the best way to protect your investment.

The Flying Tiger was born here and has enjoyed much early success. As we regroup our efforts we will continue to sponsor this forum and take the good with the bad.

And now I am going to get on an aluminum can, pop a few Tylenol PM and wake up in Los Angeles.

Tom Hirsh

[email protected] cell 619-889-9568
man, its a darn shame you didn't get involved earlier....with your attitude and ability to communicate, you have a chance of turning this around.

good luck.

 

Bob Perry

Super Anarchist
31,915
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Monster:

From what I have heard from Tom while he was at the yard it appears that everything is taken care of.

I am optimistic. I think with Tom we have a good man for the job.

Thanks for asking.

 

Daimond

Super Anarchist
4,118
0
SF Bay Area
Monster:From what I have heard from Tom while he was at the yard it appears that everything is taken care of.

I am optimistic. I think with Tom we have a good man for the job.

Thanks for asking.

Sounds good. Its really a cool boat, good to see all this new enthusiasm.

 

Tiger 20

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it's a really good boat and tom is a good dude and without question, the right guy to lead the charge. i hope that the hundreds of people out for the hot rum series noticed our flying tiger sailing, in around and away from all the other 'normal' boats. honestly, i can't imagine a better boat for san diego and like areas....

 

PHM

Super Anarchist
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54
From conversations I've had with PHRF'ers sailing CRA events and J/105 OD'ers, there's no doubt tigers are being noticed in a very positive way--what I most often hear is how fun they look. With Tom getting the commercial side on track and a group of passionate owners who love the boat to help push the class along, we're in great shape to start building the fleet again.

 

squally

Member
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I'm sitting in the JAL lounge at Tokyo waiting for the flight home to San Diego after a 4 day visit to the builder's yard in Xiamen, China. It was a very good trip and I come away with many positive thoughts and a whole lot of work to do to get this ship moving again.
This was my second visit to Hansheng. My son Kyle and I first went in March 2006 as FT 10 hull number one was just being completed. The yard is alive and well with many projects in the works both for the Chinese market and for export. They are well managed and have retained much of the same experienced work force that I met some 3 years ago. I am pleased to have such a strong partner in this project and we were able to solve all of our outstanding issues. Admittedly it's a challenging market at the moment for boat sales of any kind but I am confident that things will improve and that our product line is well situated for when the wind does fill in.

We are shipping 2 FT 7.5 models to San Diego before the end of this year. They will available for purchase and placement into the charter fleet at Harbor Sailboats. Charter placement provides the owner an opportunity to the defray costs while sailing as much as he or she likes. There will be a maximum of 5 boats available for purchase under this program that will also form the nucleolus of the San Diego One Design fleet. In other words your boat earns income, we maintain it, you race the full one design schedule, and the fleet is born. Call me if you want more information.

Now about the FT 10. I understand that is the reason why most of you are here and we have not lost our drive for this boat. While at the yard we went over many technical items related to the build and fitting out of the 10. I am keenly aware that many current owners are concerned with the need for some aftermarket improvements to the boat. We have looked closely at this situation are committed to continual improvement of the build. There will always be a need to balance performance with costs but never at the expense of seaworthiness. Neither we nor our partners have any interest in building a "cheap" product. Our goal is to provide the highest quality vessel at great value to their owners with no compromises that effect safety. As the fleet evolves and determines what improvements are needed we will listen closely and if possible, incorporate them into the build.

I suggest that all FT 10 owners stay involved with the class association and the decisions regarding technical discussions. Make sure your voice is heard as somewhere between extremes is consensus. And above all get out, sail your boat and have fun. It's the best way to protect your investment.

The Flying Tiger was born here and has enjoyed much early success. As we regroup our efforts we will continue to sponsor this forum and take the good with the bad.

And now I am going to get on an aluminum can, pop a few Tylenol PM and wake up in Los Angeles.

Tom Hirsh

[email protected] cell 619-889-9568
Tom, before I commit, I need to have the mast and rudder problems solved for good and also the s.s. fittings discolouring from what I read . Can you do it ? Up the price if need be.

 

port tack

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Tom, before I commit, I need to have the mast and rudder problems solved for good and also the s.s. fittings discolouring from what I read . Can you do it ? Up the price if need be.
Not trying to speak for Tom, but what mast problem? The rudder problem is well on it's way to being solved. Many owner have bought new life lines which is the only s.s that discoloured. So if you don't mind the price being uped buy your own lifelines and the new Kernan rudder. Problem solved, :D you got yourself a great boat!! :rolleyes:

 

StayinStrewn

Super Anarchist
1,603
1
Stratford, CT
Tom, before I commit, I need to have the mast and rudder problems solved for good and also the s.s. fittings discolouring from what I read . Can you do it ? Up the price if need be.
Not trying to speak for Tom, but what mast problem? The rudder problem is well on it's way to being solved. Many owner have bought new life lines which is the only s.s that discoloured. So if you don't mind the price being uped buy your own lifelines and the new Kernan rudder. Problem solved, :D you got yourself a great boat!! :rolleyes:
probably referring to the mast in Australia that broke recently...seems like they blamed the lack of Spartite or equivalent as the source of friction at the partners...

 

port tack

Member
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probably referring to the mast in Australia that broke recently...seems like they blamed the lack of Spartite or equivalent as the source of friction at the partners...
Agreeded, just so it is understood that was user error and not a fault of the mast.

 

QMN

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Tom, before I commit, I need to have the mast and rudder problems solved for good and also the s.s. fittings discolouring from what I read . Can you do it ? Up the price if need be.
Not trying to speak for Tom, but what mast problem? The rudder problem is well on it's way to being solved. Many owner have bought new life lines which is the only s.s that discoloured. So if you don't mind the price being uped buy your own lifelines and the new Kernan rudder. Problem solved, :D you got yourself a great boat!! :rolleyes:
probably referring to the mast in Australia that broke recently...seems like they blamed the lack of Spartite or equivalent as the source of friction at the partners...
the mast is supplied with a pair of "clam shells" that should be bonded to the mast at the partners. These are fiberglass wear "protectors" to take the abuse, avoid direct contact with the carbon mast and to spread any loads over the greater area of the "clam shells". Apparently he did not know what to do with them.

 

StayinStrewn

Super Anarchist
1,603
1
Stratford, CT
well, that solves the mast issue....

does it make sense to just outsource the rudder to the Kernan team or whomever? either way, have a carbon specialist build them, ala the mast

 

owlslick

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well, that solves the mast issue....
does it make sense to just outsource the rudder to the Kernan team or whomever? either way, have a carbon specialist build them, ala the mast
the builder should be the one supplying any redesigned rudder or any other developments, not some third party supplier. Any development / refinement should be incorporated by the builder for any new purchases. Anyone getting a new boat would be current and avoid the need to go to a third party source to be current. It is counter to call a class OD and need to get upgrades elsewhere. Currently there is the Harken furler upgrade which is about $3000 +/-and the class is considering another $3000 +/- for a new rudder. A new purchaser should get a current up to date "kit" without additional expense. Existing owners can make a choice of upgrade or not.

 

TVHSD

Member
We are following closely the rudder debate and are not convinced at this time that the aftermarket rudders are any stronger than the current standard edition that comes from the builder. If our engineering and design team determines an upgrade is required from a structural standpoint then we will incorporate it into the build. The rudder profile will not likely change. If the class approves an aftermarket rudder my preference would be that it does not put the standard rudder at a performance disadvantage. The One Design aspect of the boat is very important to us and will be defended in the best interest of the class association.

Tom Hirsh

Flying Tiger Boats

 
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