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Brian Hancock opines on records, good ones, great ones, indifferent ones.

Before I launch into today's blog let me correct a mistake I made in the  piece I wrote yesterday about Mighty Merloe and the Transpac. In the blog I mentioned that Phaedo3 might well have beaten Mighty Merloe had Crew Boss Brian Thompson not been sidelined with an injury. Brian is an incredibly talented sailor and they may indeed have won, but they didn’t. I then went on to state that Brian Thompson would have to wait to add Transpac Record Holder to his resume.

Well I was wrong. Pete Melvin from Melvin and Morelli Design and Engineering kindly pointed out that Brian was one of the crew on Steve Fossett's Lakota, an ORMA 60 trimaran that set a new Transpac race and outright course World Record in 1995. I stand corrected and wonder, is there anything Brian hasn’t won?

There were two major sailing related happenings overnight. One I am having a hard time mustering the energy to get excited about and the other is simply awesome and stunning. Comanche set a new monohull record in the Transpac finishing yesterday in a time of 5 days, 1 hour, 55 minutes and 26 seconds. Why am I not excited about this? I don’t know. I have absolutely nothing against skipper Ken Read and the boat and crew but it’s just such a yawn. They came in just under a day after a boat almost half their size set the multihull record with half the number of crew on board. Yes I was excited about Mighty Merloe. Let me just acknowledge Comanche’s record and congratulate the crew.

Now let me tell you about the other record that was set and you may get some idea of why I am not gushing about Comanche. French sailor Francis Joyon smashed his own singlehanded transatlantic record sailing from Sandy Hook, New Jersey to Lizard Point on the west coast of England. I guess smashed may be a bit of an exaggeration.

He knocked 49 minutes off the existing record, his record, to finish in a time of 5 days, 2 hours and 7 minutes. Just think about this. One person, alone, on a 100-foot trimaran, ripped it up across the Atlantic making is seem almost effortless setting a new world record along the way. Now that is newsworthy. And best yet he was not trying to set a record. If he was he would have waited until a perfect weather window occurred. No, he simply wanted to beat the Cruise Liner Queen Mary 2 and took off at the same time as the QM2 left New York. The Queen Mary 2, by the way, is still out there and not expected to arrive in England until Thursday morning.

I dunno. I have taken some heat in the past for calling Comanche an unimaginative, slab sided design so I am not going to say anything this time…:)  I appreciate that people like Jim Clark pour money into sailing and I am very happy that he does. His money keeps many in the industry employed. But seriously, Joyon, alone, on a boat that big, without any fanfare romps across the pond as if he was out for an afternoon cruise. Now that is simply spectacular, at least I think it is.

How about you?

 

Miffy

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So what did KR do to you? You don't think Comanche is much to get excited about, I get that. 

What I don't understand is what's with the passive aggressive notes about KR? What did he do to you? 

When I'm not excited about something, I just don't write about it or think about it. I don't write a blurb that's basically ad hominem then claim oh I'm not excited. He's obviously on your mind. 

 
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F18 Sailor

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+1 Miffy. I'm a little over the whole KR/Comanche bashing on the front page. Yeah the boat doesn't excite me like a big multi but its still the badest ride out there with one hull-that's something you may not fully understand until she comes ripping through your lee at 20+ kts on the way to another record. Last I checked the multis still weren't allowed in races like the Sydney to Hobart, so if you want to play in everything you basically have to have a mono (unfortunately). I know I'll be following Comanche if she sets sail for an around the world record, because that is still something no big monohull has really attempted (and the food provisions alone may dictate why that is).

 

GauchoGreg

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Count me as another that has a hard time getting excited about monohull records, but that being said, it is again totally bush league to drop the comment that "we're not a fan of Ken..."  Why make the stupid comment?  Maybe they are not a fan because he is actually one that cares about some class, maybe because he helped out with the AC broadcasts, so that makes him a corporate sell-out?  That is lame.

Camanche is an amazing boat, and it is great spectacle to see her up racing against other boats of her class, which is what makes Hobart awesome, getting such powerful beasts up against eachother is cool, the racing is compelling, even if they would have their asses handed to them by multis.  If Rio was competitive with her in the Transpac, it would have made the Comanche win a hell of a lot more interesting, but as it is, a Transpac win, the monohull record, well, not so exciting..  But that is more a hit on the lack of competition rather than a hit on the boat or skipper.

By the way, weren't the eds pretty hot on the boat when it was cubed?

 
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Go Left

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Let me see if I got this right...it seems Comanche sucks, fast catamarans (see AC comments) suck.  KR sucks, JS sucks, LE sucks, Russell sucks, but then Bertarelli also sucked.  Cayard sucked.  IIRC Wild Oats also sucked, so maybe its all big monohulls suck.  I think Ben Ainslie also sucked, and so did the Swedes and the Japanese and then there's the Chinese...their Olympics sucked, right?.  Melges 32's apparently suck...or maybe that's PHRF...or both.  J-105s suck.  Key West sucked.  Do Stars suck? I can't remember.  Didn't Kosteki suck?  So hard to keep up.

In the dynamic duo's world view, I guess to be completely safe from sucking, you have to race big trimarans and be French.  I'm pretty sure that foiling moths also don't suck, and maybe some other "boats".  

But the real determination for non-suckage apparently is...Do they advertise?  or more importantly....Did they invite me along for a ride?  

I think I get it now.

 

GauchoGreg

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Let me see if I got this right...it seems Comanche sucks, fast catamarans (see AC comments) suck.  KR sucks, JS sucks, LE sucks, Russell sucks, but then Bertarelli also sucked.  Cayard sucked.  IIRC Wild Oats also sucked, so maybe its all big monohulls suck.  I think Ben Ainslie also sucked, and so did the Swedes and the Japanese and then there's the Chinese...their Olympics sucked, right?.  Melges 32's apparently suck...or maybe that's PHRF...or both.  J-105s suck.  Key West sucked.  Do Stars suck? I can't remember.  Didn't Kosteki suck?  So hard to keep up.

In the dynamic duo's world view, I guess to be completely safe from sucking, you have to race big trimarans and be French.  I'm pretty sure that foiling moths also don't suck, and maybe some other "boats".  

But the real determination for non-suckage apparently is...Do they advertise?  or more importantly....Did they invite me along for a ride?  

I think I get it now.
Don't forget Trump....

 

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it's your site you can wright about whatever you want, I come to this site to get up to date news and sometimes if you

deem it to suck be it- boat,class,regatta or a person you ether don't cover it or bash it, fortunately for your site the public

contributes in the way of your forum's  

 

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Let me see if I got this right...it seems Comanche sucks, fast catamarans (see AC comments) suck.  KR sucks, JS sucks, LE sucks, Russell sucks, but then Bertarelli also sucked.  Cayard sucked.  IIRC Wild Oats also sucked, so maybe its all big monohulls suck.  I think Ben Ainslie also sucked, and so did the Swedes and the Japanese and then there's the Chinese...their Olympics sucked, right?.  Melges 32's apparently suck...or maybe that's PHRF...or both.  J-105s suck.  Key West sucked.  Do Stars suck? I can't remember.  Didn't Kosteki suck?  So hard to keep up.

In the dynamic duo's world view, I guess to be completely safe from sucking, you have to race big trimarans and be French.  I'm pretty sure that foiling moths also don't suck, and maybe some other "boats".  

But the real determination for non-suckage apparently is...Do they advertise?  or more importantly....Did they invite me along for a ride?  

I think I get it now.
Well said! I enjoy this website, but the front page ranting and hate really gets tedious.

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bucc5062

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Why oh why do we keep doing this....comparing records.  Yes, we get it trimarans and cat are fast sexy hot.  Monohulls suck.  But to compare records, speeds, that's just plain dumb.  No one with a brain expects a monohull to beat a multihull in speed so why the fuck do we care.  Hey did you hear that Spin Drift 2 beat the Flying Cloud record....man those clipper ships suck.  I mean, how many sailors do you need to sail one of those things.

Hey, it you like to play fantasy, how about we take single french guy and put him on Comanche and see how well he does....Oh right, their two fucking different boats designed completely different.  God this multi thing is getting purial and I'm with Go Left on this one.

 
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Chasm

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If you leave out the comparison there would be less internet drama...

That said I think what Francis did was cooler because it seems so care free and offhanded. The other Ultime did not try the same trick, I wonder what they are up to.

The next cool record of the week already goes to Simon Koster and Yo Wiebel. They set a new 24h distance record for beach cats of 361nm (if I read their GPS picture right) on a Nacra 20 FCS. Across the Baltic, Sweden to Poland. Major deductions for almost sinking on the last miles though, they needed an SAR tow. (Lost a rudder dropped of the foil and then a cut daggerboard casing filling the hull with water...)

 
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bucc5062

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If you leave out the comparison there would be less internet drama...

That said I think what Francis did was cooler because it seems so care free and offhanded. The other Ultime did not try the same trick, I wonder what they are up to.

The next cool record of the week already goes to Simon Koster and Yo Wiebel. They set a new 24h distance record for beach cats of 361nm (if I read their GPS picture right) on a Nacra 20 FCS. Across the Baltic, Sweden to Poland. Major deductions for almost sinking on the last miles though, they needed an SAR tow. (Lost a rudder dropped of the foil and then a cut daggerboard casing filling the hull with water...)
Love records.  They make great milestones.  It's just banal to compare one type of boat with a completely different kind of boat.  How bored are we when we have to start to make up shit just to grab interest.  btw does the Nacra 20 FCS also get a record for most bad shit happening almost all at once?  B)

Hey editor, mutli's suck compared to ice boats.  Bet they never break the unofficial iceboat record and here's one that you can compare to your dear sweet foilers and multis
 




 

F18 Sailor

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If you leave out the comparison there would be less internet drama...

That said I think what Francis did was cooler because it seems so care free and offhanded. The other Ultime did not try the same trick, I wonder what they are up to.

The next cool record of the week already goes to Simon Koster and Yo Wiebel. They set a new 24h distance record for beach cats of 361nm (if I read their GPS picture right) on a Nacra 20 FCS. Across the Baltic, Sweden to Poland. Major deductions for almost sinking on the last miles though, they needed an SAR tow. (Lost a rudder dropped of the foil and then a cut daggerboard casing filling the hull with water...)
Link to the F20FCS story?

 

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Shock-jock media. Simple. Gets the juices flowing and people talking. Generating hits is what it is all about. 

 

Chasm

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Exactly right, its all different and not really to compare.

Comanche because it is the high end of the mono route. No powered winches like some of the others. 
The ORMA60 because it beat the bigger MOD70 including the very tricked out Phaedo3. (And the much more expensive Comanche too.)
The smaller boats in the back fleet because there is actually some racing against each other.  B)  And because some come back again and again for more.
The Nacra is of course in their own whacky department.

FCS20 story.
Not too much in English yet, use google translate on their site: https://offshore-foiling.com/ Or via FB https://www.facebook.com/offshorefoiling/
Simon Koster is known for his frog green Mini. Yo Wiebel was the other guy for Frank Cammas FCS20 Cape Horn rounding last year.

 

CrushDigital

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Judgig by the very next item, not all big expensive monos are tragically uncool and totally suck, Maxi 72s look like they still get a pass.

"Sure there’s not a lot of them, but these big rich boy toys are pretty fuckin’ wicked"

What a joke.

 

Foiling Optimist

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I don't think this was explicitly stated but Joyon's new on-a-lark solo record at 5d 2h 7min is actually faster than Comanche's transatlantic record of 5:14:21. Assuming they're using the same start and end points which I think is true.

I have no idea from what weird place the front page antics come from but I can see that if you hang around pro sailing and talk to people trying to put race programs together, building a large monohull to break monohull records does indeed seem a quixotic pursuit. Or at least it's something a billionaire who doesn't have to answer to anyone might do whereas sponsor driven programs in France where they actually have sponsors have all logically gone to the area where there is public interest which is either solo racing or multihulls. Or solo multihulls, because all these are extreme enough and progressive enough to warrant coverage. It's tough to watch guys like Eric Holden (Go Canada!) or Ryan Breymaier being unable to put a Vendee program together while the Comanche project is run at much vaster expense as a hobby. It's an ostentatious extravagance that rankles in this new gilded age, where even the hobby Mod70 projects like Phaedo seem both more exciting and more economical.

 
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