Can the ACWS attract new fans to the sport? A new fan's perspectiv

stephenrjking

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I found this board today while researching competitive sailing and the AC in particular. I've seen a lot of talk about "attracting new fans." As a person who has occasionally watched an America's Cup race in the past but barely understands the sport, has almost never sailed, and didn't hear about AC33 until months after the fact (I looked it up on wikipedia recently, and my first thought was, "Oh, right, the USA boat was a trimaran") I feel like I'm the kind of "new, casual fan" that Ellison has in mind.

For the record, I read Katie Baker's write-up on Grantland a couple of weeks ago. Then, Sunday afternoon while preparing for church and for my vacation the next day, I remembered that she wrote that the race would be on NBC on Sunday, so I flipped it on.

I was enthralled. The racing was fast and exciting; the races themselves were quick, easily accessible affairs that differed quite a bit from the long, dull downwind legs I remember from my younger years. And they were racing on multi-hulls, which always made sense to me--if multi-hulls were demonstrably the best technology 25 years ago when Dennis Conner was winning with them, why not use them today?

Since then I've located and watched full replays on the Youtube channel and begun to dig into information on other America's Cups. I've finally seen highlights from 2010. I'm an avid sports-watcher and my interests eclectically range from typical American Football to hockey to cycling and beyond, so I know my way around. Some thoughts:

The "New" Format and Rules

I like all of it and I hope it succeeds. As I understand it, the America's Cup is supposed to be about rich people building spectacular boats and racing them; why not use the best technology available? The Cats look and feel advanced, and the wing-sail technology is fascinating. Honestly, having fewer sails to deal with makes it seem a bit more accessible to a non-sailer like me who doesn't know the name of every sail. And the fact that the boats are tough to sail is a big plus--the idea that seasoned professionals occasionally make mistakes and don't have everything under control makes things more accessible.

The bayside stadium format is good, too. If nothing else, it provides a good sense of speed to see the boats moving against a solid background. The AC45s just *looked* blazing fast in that venue. It's a good mental reference point, too. Watching old AC highlights is almost humorous, with announcers saying "Welcome to Valencia!" against a backdrop of open water that could be anywhere. San Francisco is one of the most visually distinct cities in the world; having a race there is a fantastic move.

The Television Production

I am grateful to see some commentary on this board about this, because I took a dislike to the tv commentary almost immediately. The lead announcer (Jotson?) was unlistenable. As I tried to discern how close things were, and could usually tell with the helpful graphics, and felt that the race was at an exciting moment, he would either utter something completely unrelated to the action or flatly announce a tack in a tone that suggested that he was calling the last minutes of a Division 2 football game that was being won 50-10.

I don't want to be pandered to by announcers. Explaining things is good, but nothing makes me more attracted to a new sport than announcers who are excited to be watching it and aren't afraid to talk about its history as if I know something about it. I watched some of the youtube video of race 7 of the '07 cup and the difference in announcer enthusiasm was startling. Honestly, I think I could do a better job.

The rest of the TV production was pretty good. The onscreen graphics are tremendously helpful, and while the producers occasionally didn't show the best views at the best time (took a while to show that Coutts start crash, for example) in general I found it well put together. I hear that the SF race rating dropped to a .6, which sounds bad compared to golf or football but actually is still pretty good for a niche sport. I follow college hockey, and fans of that sport would kill for a .6 or a .8 and it gets national primetime broadcasts on ESPN every year. I don't think LE is worried about turning a profit--if he were he wouldn't have been funding AC teams for ten years.

The Future

I'm hooked. Can't wait for the LVC or the AC, and I will be watching the next ACWS events. I'm a newbie to the sport, but if you're interested in casual fans at least one is getting roped in. I hope whoever wins in '13 keeps this up for another sequence; ACWS races are a nice appetizer for the big event.

Remember, you have to keep at it and produce a good product to attract casual fans, and over time a fan base can be built. I'm a big cycling fan, but I started watching in the most casual of ways, tuning in to see Lance Armstrong climb a hill. The announcers were excited and knowledgeable, the action was good, and I watched again next year. My interest grew, and now I watch year-round even now that Armstrong is disgraced--and so do millions of others, if we are to judge from NBC Sports faithful dedication to a sport that was once totally inaccessible. The America's Cup can do the same thing.

For what it's worth, there's an affordable sailing club here in Duluth that I never heard of before this week. I'm awfully tempted to try sailing next year. Watching the big boys do it makes me want to try. That's the goal, right?

I apologize for the length of this; I'm not a rookie to message boards, and I know how annoying it can be for newbies to start posting like they own the place. I only really posted here because a lot of fans appear concerned about the "casual viewer," and I thought I could provide some insight.

 
Stephen - great post!! Please keep 'em coming!

I'm not a newbie ... I've been teaching sailing almost my entire life and I do try to look at this sport through others eyes every time I start a new student or class... especially those such as yourself who may have only heard rumors about how boring sailing can be. ... or how boat ownership and certainly the AC is often characterized as being limited primarily to those fortunate enough or wealthy enough. You've absolutely nailed it with regards to the basic issues we face. If, after you watch the ACWS next month or take a sailing class in the land of a thousand lakes, you still find yourself wanting to tell your friends ... well ... do tell.

Eric

 

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I found this board today while researching competitive sailing and the AC in particular. I've seen a lot of talk about "attracting new fans." As a person who has occasionally watched an America's Cup race in the past but barely understands the sport, has almost never sailed, and didn't hear about AC33 until months after the fact (I looked it up on wikipedia recently, and my first thought was, "Oh, right, the USA boat was a trimaran") I feel like I'm the kind of "new, casual fan" that Ellison has in mind.

For the record, I read Katie Baker's write-up on Grantland a couple of weeks ago. Then, Sunday afternoon while preparing for church and for my vacation the next day, I remembered that she wrote that the race would be on NBC on Sunday, so I flipped it on.

I was enthralled. The racing was fast and exciting; the races themselves were quick, easily accessible affairs that differed quite a bit from the long, dull downwind legs I remember from my younger years. And they were racing on multi-hulls, which always made sense to me--if multi-hulls were demonstrably the best technology 25 years ago when Dennis Conner was winning with them, why not use them today?

Since then I've located and watched full replays on the Youtube channel and begun to dig into information on other America's Cups. I've finally seen highlights from 2010. I'm an avid sports-watcher and my interests eclectically range from typical American Football to hockey to cycling and beyond, so I know my way around. Some thoughts:

The "New" Format and Rules

I like all of it and I hope it succeeds. As I understand it, the America's Cup is supposed to be about rich people building spectacular boats and racing them; why not use the best technology available? The Cats look and feel advanced, and the wing-sail technology is fascinating. Honestly, having fewer sails to deal with makes it seem a bit more accessible to a non-sailer like me who doesn't know the name of every sail. And the fact that the boats are tough to sail is a big plus--the idea that seasoned professionals occasionally make mistakes and don't have everything under control makes things more accessible.

The bayside stadium format is good, too. If nothing else, it provides a good sense of speed to see the boats moving against a solid background. The AC45s just *looked* blazing fast in that venue. It's a good mental reference point, too. Watching old AC highlights is almost humorous, with announcers saying "Welcome to Valencia!" against a backdrop of open water that could be anywhere. San Francisco is one of the most visually distinct cities in the world; having a race there is a fantastic move.

The Television Production

I am grateful to see some commentary on this board about this, because I took a dislike to the tv commentary almost immediately. The lead announcer (Jotson?) was unlistenable. As I tried to discern how close things were, and could usually tell with the helpful graphics, and felt that the race was at an exciting moment, he would either utter something completely unrelated to the action or flatly announce a tack in a tone that suggested that he was calling the last minutes of a Division 2 football game that was being won 50-10.

I don't want to be pandered to by announcers. Explaining things is good, but nothing makes me more attracted to a new sport than announcers who are excited to be watching it and aren't afraid to talk about its history as if I know something about it. I watched some of the youtube video of race 7 of the '07 cup and the difference in announcer enthusiasm was startling. Honestly, I think I could do a better job.

The rest of the TV production was pretty good. The onscreen graphics are tremendously helpful, and while the producers occasionally didn't show the best views at the best time (took a while to show that Coutts start crash, for example) in general I found it well put together. I hear that the SF race rating dropped to a .6, which sounds bad compared to golf or football but actually is still pretty good for a niche sport. I follow college hockey, and fans of that sport would kill for a .6 or a .8 and it gets national primetime broadcasts on ESPN every year. I don't think LE is worried about turning a profit--if he were he wouldn't have been funding AC teams for ten years.

The Future

I'm hooked. Can't wait for the LVC or the AC, and I will be watching the next ACWS events. I'm a newbie to the sport, but if you're interested in casual fans at least one is getting roped in. I hope whoever wins in '13 keeps this up for another sequence; ACWS races are a nice appetizer for the big event.

Remember, you have to keep at it and produce a good product to attract casual fans, and over time a fan base can be built. I'm a big cycling fan, but I started watching in the most casual of ways, tuning in to see Lance Armstrong climb a hill. The announcers were excited and knowledgeable, the action was good, and I watched again next year. My interest grew, and now I watch year-round even now that Armstrong is disgraced--and so do millions of others, if we are to judge from NBC Sports faithful dedication to a sport that was once totally inaccessible. The America's Cup can do the same thing.

For what it's worth, there's an affordable sailing club here in Duluth that I never heard of before this week. I'm awfully tempted to try sailing next year. Watching the big boys do it makes me want to try. That's the goal, right?

I apologize for the length of this; I'm not a rookie to message boards, and I know how annoying it can be for newbies to start posting like they own the place. I only really posted here because a lot of fans appear concerned about the "casual viewer," and I thought I could provide some insight.
You the same guy here, Stephen? http://twitter.com/stephenrjking

 

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For what it's worth, there's an affordable sailing club here in Duluth that I never heard of before this week. I'm awfully tempted to try sailing next year. Watching the big boys do it makes me want to try. That's the goal, right?

I apologize for the length of this; I'm not a rookie to message boards, and I know how annoying it can be for newbies to start posting like they own the place. I only really posted here because a lot of fans appear concerned about the "casual viewer," and I thought I could provide some insight.
Good to hear from a newcomer to sailing who gets it. I've been following the AC since 1967 and Your comments re TV coverage mirror mine although I'm far more critical. I want on-air talent that obviously works as a team, guys and gals who can trade off insights and commentary that informs. Not some dullard who tells us that Boat A is rounding the mark when we can see it for ourselves.

Here's an idea for you. Don't wait until next year to try sailing. Get down to the docks this weekend. Looks like nice fall weather. Ask a few questions at the sailing club you mentioned. This one looks promising for two or three hours of introductory sailing. http://www.sailingforall.org/

I'd like to offer a slightly different take on your thought that the AC is about rich folks building spectacular boats. The first race in 1851 that kicked off the America's Cup was about showcasing technology. Of course if you want to come up with the best that technology has to offer you'll need rich folks to finance 'em and they'll be spectacular, but the driver is technology and not bags of cash.

 
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The first race in 1851 that kicked off the America's Cup was about showcasing technology.
I'll qualify that a bit: The first race was about bragging rights between important members of two Yacht Clubs over who had the fastest boat. So...technology in a way, but that was never the driver. Ego always was.

Notice I put an "e" at the end of "distinctive."
I don't get it. I'm all out of horror jokes too.

 

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The first race in 1851 that kicked off the America's Cup was about showcasing technology.
I'll qualify that a bit: The first race was about bragging rights between important members of two Yacht Clubs over who had the fastest boat. So...technology in a way, but that was never the driver. Ego always was.
Gee, and I always bought the company line that Schuyler and Co headed off to Britain in the year of the Prince Consort's Great Exhibition to showcase their superior technology. Plenty of ego there of course. But looking for a match race they could find no takers among the home boys.

 

stephenrjking

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My "e" comment is referencing the thread title, which I neglected to proofread before posting.

Thanks for the pointers, Kiwi. I might poke around the sailing club if I have time, though autumn is busy in my line of work and snow will be flying here within six weeks. Lake Superior moderates temperatures somewhat this late in the season, though.

In my limited experience and limited research, it strikes me as a great tragedy that two of the most revolutionary and talked about ACs were the DOG matches that are as known for their controversy as for the incredible boats that were produced. The lack of predictable buildup also hurt, at least in the case of 2010; I likely would have at least heard about the Cup in 2010 prior to its launching and perhaps checked it out if there had been a standard LVC with actual television coverage. As it was, two of the most incredible vehicles ever built in any non-flight category were buried underneath story lines of legal challenges and acrimony.

It makes me think that an AC challenge should just be unlimited every 10-15 years, just to see what people come up with.

This year, at least, things are a bit more modern. That seems to be the way it should be, to me.

 

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There is no question that the circus will attract new fans to the sport. The real question is will the new fans come close to making up for the number of long time sailors that are being turned off by the " change ". If you go by what you read here things look peachy but if you venture out into the real world things are not as rosy. Of the two clubs I frequent , one big and one small and one less than a hour away from the Newport regatta I can hardly even get anyone to talk about the AC much less want to attend an event . Weather or not the newbies stick around to actually become involved with the sailing or to continue following the AC in the future is an unknown quantity just as are those from the past that are now lost to the present .Larry and the guys have bent over back wards to tailor things for the all powerful god TV and it appears that TV could care less and viewership is shrinking with each event.

 

Here is another's viewpoint just so after the rest of my fellow forum members get done flaming me you can see that there were at least two of us with these thoughts :)

 

 

 

HOW WILL HISTORY JUDGE THE 34TH AMERICA'S CUP?

Australian Will Baillieu was on the handles in 1983 when Australia II won

the America's Cup, breaking the longest-running winning streak in the

history of sport (132 years). What Will remembers is what the event was,

and has concerns about what the event is now. Read on...

----------------------------------------------------------------------

A quote in Scuttlebutt 3666 from professional snowboarder Travis Rice:

"We're living in a world where it's hard to do dumb s---. What's amazing to

me about sailing is how boundless it is. You're not protected by this

safety net of stoplights and safety features. You're truly at the mercy of

your own decisions, and if you're an idiot you're going to get smacked."

 

Like...wow! The real value of "Cross Promotion" has never been more

apparent. Travis has enlightened us with this account of his experience

aboard an AC45. I am sure we are all grateful that the event got his

attention at all. Travis assures us that this style of racing will take

sailing "...from this frumpy old man's sport to something that people are

way more interested in watching." Like...even people of his generation

might be interested in it!

 

Well, why stop there Travis?

 

Why not include a Vegas Pool Party leg in the next AC event? At least on

the AC45s there is room on deck for Prince Harry, a snooker table and a few

naked ladies. Or, possibly tequila shots and laybacks during the downwind

legs? Anything to make this event more watchable for Gen Y.

 

We don't want their attention to stray, and we certainly don't want any of

those frumpy old men to have anything to do with it.

 

Maybe we could introduce an element of Big Brother to America's Cup; put a

crew of complete strangers on each boat and just see what happens as they

race the AC series. How about "Survivor - America's Cup"? We could lay

mines on the course. Exploding boats would make great television; audience

numbers would be huge.

 

What Travis seems to have overlooked is that America's Cup is a match race,

with a very long history; the very pinnacle of sailing.

 

Boat on boat, tactical racing, involving rapid and complicated decision

making, much of it subtle. It is about high performance, low tolerance, up

close racing, between two boats. AC boats have been traditionally sailed by

very fit, young athletes with marvelous skills. "Frumpy old men" are

required to fund them, as they still are now.

 

The history of the event and the subtleties of match racing may be lost on

Travis Rice and others of his demographic, but surely not to just about

anyone else.

 

Does the event really need to compete for audiences with tacky TV reality

shows? Does it really need these Christmas Cracker boats? Fast boats might

add an extra element in the potential for catastrophic failure, but they

make for poor match racing. The last AC Deed of Gift "match" was surely

testament to that.

 

The lack of challenger syndicates for the 34th AC is a worrying sign, but

it's not for any lack of bells and whistles.

 

The dressing up of the America's Cup for uninformed TV audiences with

notoriously low attention spans, has cheapened the event and turned it into

just another reality TV spectacle. This is a genre that has been almost

done to death already. Inevitably it will be consigned to the TV

wastebasket, when people get bored and change channels.

 

And where will that leave America's Cup?

 

Source:

http://forum.sailing...ost=14437#14437

 
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My "e" comment is referencing the thread title, which I neglected to proofread before posting.

Thanks for the pointers, Kiwi. I might poke around the sailing club if I have time, though autumn is busy in my line of work and snow will be flying here within six weeks. Lake Superior moderates temperatures somewhat this late in the season, though.

In my limited experience and limited research, it strikes me as a great tragedy that two of the most revolutionary and talked about ACs were the DOG matches that are as known for their controversy as for the incredible boats that were produced. The lack of predictable buildup also hurt, at least in the case of 2010; I likely would have at least heard about the Cup in 2010 prior to its launching and perhaps checked it out if there had been a standard LVC with actual television coverage. As it was, two of the most incredible vehicles ever built in any non-flight category were buried underneath story lines of legal challenges and acrimony.

It makes me think that an AC challenge should just be unlimited every 10-15 years, just to see what people come up with.

This year, at least, things are a bit more modern. That seems to be the way it should be, to me.
I like your last points.

By the way, don't you think it is pathetic that the organizers missed the chance to do some promotion, advertising during the Tour de France? Same network, likely a great target audience, plenty of off days were the ad spots would not be overly expensive, etc. etc. etc. I Love the Tour, and kept thinking, all along, that would be a great place to get the AC some interest.

 

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By the way, don't you think it is pathetic that the organizers missed the chance to do some promotion, advertising during the Tour de France? Same network, likely a great target audience, plenty of off days were the ad spots would not be overly expensive, etc. etc. etc. I Love the Tour, and kept thinking, all along, that would be a great place to get the AC some interest.
I doubt anyone in ACEA/ACRM or Oracle wanted to go anywhere near the Tour de France with that doping cheat Lance Armstrong so prominent in the news at the time.

 

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By the way, don't you think it is pathetic that the organizers missed the chance to do some promotion, advertising during the Tour de France? Same network, likely a great target audience, plenty of off days were the ad spots would not be overly expensive, etc. etc. etc. I Love the Tour, and kept thinking, all along, that would be a great place to get the AC some interest.
I doubt anyone in ACEA/ACRM or Oracle wanted to go anywhere near the Tour de France with that doping cheat Lance Armstrong so prominent in the news at the time.
That race has been the Tour De Dope , forever . An ex rider would not have been as much of an issue as the current ones they were tossing .

 

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I found this board today while researching competitive sailing and the AC in particular. I've seen a lot of talk about "attracting new fans." As a person who has occasionally watched an America's Cup race in the past but barely understands the sport, has almost never sailed, and didn't hear about AC33 until months after the fact (I looked it up on wikipedia recently, and my first thought was, "Oh, right, the USA boat was a trimaran") I feel like I'm the kind of "new, casual fan" that Ellison has in mind.

For the record, I read Katie Baker's write-up on Grantland a couple of weeks ago. Then, Sunday afternoon while preparing for church and for my vacation the next day, I remembered that she wrote that the race would be on NBC on Sunday, so I flipped it on.

I was enthralled. The racing was fast and exciting; the races themselves were quick, easily accessible affairs that differed quite a bit from the long, dull downwind legs I remember from my younger years. And they were racing on multi-hulls, which always made sense to me--if multi-hulls were demonstrably the best technology 25 years ago when Dennis Conner was winning with them, why not use them today?

Since then I've located and watched full replays on the Youtube channel and begun to dig into information on other America's Cups. I've finally seen highlights from 2010. I'm an avid sports-watcher and my interests eclectically range from typical American Football to hockey to cycling and beyond, so I know my way around. Some thoughts:

The "New" Format and Rules

I like all of it and I hope it succeeds. As I understand it, the America's Cup is supposed to be about rich people building spectacular boats and racing them; why not use the best technology available? The Cats look and feel advanced, and the wing-sail technology is fascinating. Honestly, having fewer sails to deal with makes it seem a bit more accessible to a non-sailer like me who doesn't know the name of every sail. And the fact that the boats are tough to sail is a big plus--the idea that seasoned professionals occasionally make mistakes and don't have everything under control makes things more accessible.

The bayside stadium format is good, too. If nothing else, it provides a good sense of speed to see the boats moving against a solid background. The AC45s just *looked* blazing fast in that venue. It's a good mental reference point, too. Watching old AC highlights is almost humorous, with announcers saying "Welcome to Valencia!" against a backdrop of open water that could be anywhere. San Francisco is one of the most visually distinct cities in the world; having a race there is a fantastic move.

The Television Production

I am grateful to see some commentary on this board about this, because I took a dislike to the tv commentary almost immediately. The lead announcer (Jotson?) was unlistenable. As I tried to discern how close things were, and could usually tell with the helpful graphics, and felt that the race was at an exciting moment, he would either utter something completely unrelated to the action or flatly announce a tack in a tone that suggested that he was calling the last minutes of a Division 2 football game that was being won 50-10.

I don't want to be pandered to by announcers. Explaining things is good, but nothing makes me more attracted to a new sport than announcers who are excited to be watching it and aren't afraid to talk about its history as if I know something about it. I watched some of the youtube video of race 7 of the '07 cup and the difference in announcer enthusiasm was startling. Honestly, I think I could do a better job.

The rest of the TV production was pretty good. The onscreen graphics are tremendously helpful, and while the producers occasionally didn't show the best views at the best time (took a while to show that Coutts start crash, for example) in general I found it well put together. I hear that the SF race rating dropped to a .6, which sounds bad compared to golf or football but actually is still pretty good for a niche sport. I follow college hockey, and fans of that sport would kill for a .6 or a .8 and it gets national primetime broadcasts on ESPN every year. I don't think LE is worried about turning a profit--if he were he wouldn't have been funding AC teams for ten years.

The Future

I'm hooked. Can't wait for the LVC or the AC, and I will be watching the next ACWS events. I'm a newbie to the sport, but if you're interested in casual fans at least one is getting roped in. I hope whoever wins in '13 keeps this up for another sequence; ACWS races are a nice appetizer for the big event.

Remember, you have to keep at it and produce a good product to attract casual fans, and over time a fan base can be built. I'm a big cycling fan, but I started watching in the most casual of ways, tuning in to see Lance Armstrong climb a hill. The announcers were excited and knowledgeable, the action was good, and I watched again next year. My interest grew, and now I watch year-round even now that Armstrong is disgraced--and so do millions of others, if we are to judge from NBC Sports faithful dedication to a sport that was once totally inaccessible. The America's Cup can do the same thing.

For what it's worth, there's an affordable sailing club here in Duluth that I never heard of before this week. I'm awfully tempted to try sailing next year. Watching the big boys do it makes me want to try. That's the goal, right?

I apologize for the length of this; I'm not a rookie to message boards, and I know how annoying it can be for newbies to start posting like they own the place. I only really posted here because a lot of fans appear concerned about the "casual viewer," and I thought I could provide some insight.
Great thoughtful post. But where are your girlfriends tits?

I'd be interested to get your views on AC32 - have you watched any or the 2007 Dinosaur Dog Fights from Valencia? Slow boats for sure but the action and closeness were spellbinding to a sailor - how do they now look to a non-sailor who has immersed a bit in AC?

 

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Explaining things is good, but nothing makes me more attracted to a new sport than announcers who are excited to be watching it and aren't afraid to talk about its history as if I know something about it.
This.Watch any other sport & you have commentators who talk about as if the viewer is a fan who knows what they are seeing.

I watched a bunch of Olympics coverage & was in no way turned off by technical terms for fans of the various sports I'd never seen before.

Watch Sailing: Wow, so they tacked, <legendary sailor doing guest commentating> explain to the folks back home what a tack is.

Its the equivalent of the Superbowl, Soccer World Cup or Rugby World Cup finals & having the term 'pass' explained.

Its ludicrous.

People want to hear enthusiasts talking about what is going on in the racing not douches babytalking.

 

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I love this thread.

Thanks, stephenrjking (srjk) for starting it.

maxmini, I wonder if the AC will lose the sailing audience and fail to keep the newcomers. Could happen, but I bet experienced sailors will follow it more once we get to the AC72s in SF. Do you think the sailors you know are not interested because of the boats and format or because:

- it's being dumbed down too much

- they dislike touches like the checkered flag (one of my personal strong dislikes)

DickDastardly - I'd love to hear srjk's reaction to watching some of AC32. Deadly boring or fascinating in its own way?

KiwiJoker: Your advice to srjk to go sailing now is my favorite.

The audience is smart. They can figure stuff out if it's well presented. No need to dumb it down, but there is a need for clear, intelligent explanations.

Everybody will start learning from whatever level they start: sailing newby to experienced racer. Some people will get hooked on the history, some on the egos and personalities, some on the technology, some on the tactics of racing fast boats on short courses, and some just on the eye candy. Sailing, in any kind of boats, has to be one of the most photogenic sports in the world.

It is so cool to have newbies interested enough to pipe up - keep it coming, srjk.

BTW, let's get Kahlessa into this thread.

 

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Hi Stephan,

Good to hear from someone who's a non sailor. I too watch the Tour de' France every year. When it comes down to it, it's just a bunch of cyclists pounding the road. But the commentators manage to contribute ongoing commentary to is both interesting and informative for hour after hour. Pity Gary Jobson cant contribute the same enthusiasm. Boot him for Christs sake!!! The guy ----? Booth is excellent, informative and precise - he desrves a pay rise.

Bas

ps sorry about the grammar - onto my 4th Shiraz

 

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This seems like a great place to ask for some feedback on the free eBook I just put up on my site. I'm trying to address everyone from newbies to racing sailors. Let me know if I am close to being on target, or what to improve.



Comments, questions, suggestions, criticisms all welcome!

 
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By the way, don't you think it is pathetic that the organizers missed the chance to do some promotion, advertising during the Tour de France? Same network, likely a great target audience, plenty of off days were the ad spots would not be overly expensive, etc. etc. etc. I Love the Tour, and kept thinking, all along, that would be a great place to get the AC some interest.
I doubt anyone in ACEA/ACRM or Oracle wanted to go anywhere near the Tour de France with that doping cheat Lance Armstrong so prominent in the news at the time.
Give me a break. The doping thing has not materially impacted the following of the sport, with the coverage healthy now, relying a great deal on secondary media. Sure, there may not be the total following that was there when Lance was dominating, but it is self-sustaining on a level that gives us GREAT ability to follow it.

The TdF is a great model for the AC. Many-day event. Most days on secondary media/channels, with only the big days covered by major media/channels. Stunning scenery attracting those who may not be entirely focused on the sport, multi-chopper coverage along with a great deal of logistics to handle. Quasi-national teams with athletes not just from that nation, dominated by sponsors. Non-American dominated, yet decent American following. While cycling is done by all demographics, the competitive cyclists are typically from well-off families. Combination of technology and athleticism.

 






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