Can the Italians Ever Win the Cup?

terrafirma

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The Italians have been competing in the AC for a while now. They have also collaborated with New Zealand at times with their challenges. Can they ever win the cup? I don't see who they are working with from a design point of view, their team website has little information. Of the challengers where do you think they rate this time around? Will they finish ahead of the New York and UK teams?

https://www.sail-world.com/news/212692/Italian-Challenger-running-AC75-rig-on-test-boat

 
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Boybland

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I actually think this is one of their better shots, they have had a cycle out but didn't stop working towards it, they have had plenty of input into proceedings as COR so will be well versed on possible design choices and they are playing a fair bit of secret squirrel which is always a sign that a team is kind of trying to fly under the radar a bit, not usually something a team in it just for the experience or some exposure usually bothers with.

 

rgeek

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Italy is sailing and the more one design it becomes the greater chance they have.

 

kiwin

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Not under Patrizio Bertelli. Temperamentally not suited & will undermine & destabilise the team on a continual basis

 

Priscilla

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Never won it most probably never will and who gives a fuck really.

However without their loot the cup is doomed.

 
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ITA602

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The Italians have been competing in the AC for a while now. They have also collaborated with New Zealand at times with their challenges. Can they ever win the cup? I don't see who they are working with from a design point of view, their team website has little information. Of the challengers where do you think they rate this time around? Will they finish ahead of the New York and UK teams?

https://www.sail-world.com/news/212692/Italian-Challenger-running-AC75-rig-on-test-boat
Luna Rossa has never disclosed a lot of news about their past campaigns, let's see. Of course as Italian I will not be too much disappointed if the cup comes here, but LR is not my favorite team.

Kiwin is also "partially" right. Sometimes the team had to follow Bertelli choices, no matter what they want to do. As for the TP52: the team wanted a used boat to focus on the AC, Bertelli said that a new boat should have been built. And we all know how it ended.

 

Terry Hollis

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I think it is disrespectful to even ask the question. 

The Luna Rosa team is second only to ETNZ for experience in contesting the America's Cup and they won the Louis Vuitton cup in 2,000 and are favourites to win the Prada cup this time around.  Bertelli has been in control through all the ups and downs and there is absolutely no reason to expect him to fail this time.

As for the US team they are rank amateurs alongside Luna Rosa, as a first time challenger they have history against them.

The UK team has a better chance having just completed the AC35 contest which exposed a lot of the weaknesses of a first time challenger but again no match for Luna Rosa competing with a full budget.

 

Stingray~

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The biggest improvements to Team UK are

1 A basically unlimited budget 

2 Grant Simmer, who has run programs with enormous success when given that freedom. 

 

Stingray~

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LR has very little left from whatever ‘historic’ days they had, it’s mostly all new and unproven this time. I’m betting JS will helm when the shit hits the fan for them, which could be a massive advantage.

 
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Horn Rock

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The biggest improvements to Team UK are

1 A basically unlimited budget
They had a lot of funds last time, but their effort was a shambles, being off the pace most of the time. The had probably the worst foils in Bermuda.

2 Grant Simmer, who has run programs with enormous success when given that freedom.
He's a proven winning manager, but Ben is likely to have the last say in important matters, so the dynamic between the two will be critical. It'll be interesting to see how that works out.

LR has very little left from whatever ‘historic’ days they had, it’s mostly all new and unproven this time.
They've got Max Sirena back who was privy to ETNZ's winning campaign. He'll bring important experience to their effort. I think they'll be strong.

 

kiwin

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The biggest improvements to Team UK are

1 A basically unlimited budget 

2 Grant Simmer, who has run programs with enormous success when given that freedom. 
Absolutely right. Also I think they have Nick Holroyd, ex ETNZ & design chief for the AC72. Essentially they look to be addressing their weaknesses.

Bertelli's behavior during the 2002/3 cup in Auckland included regular humiliating public temper tantrums directed at individual team members complete with off the cuff random firing & sometimes re-instatement within hours or days. Also the team was very much divided into Italians & others. 

Not a way to win as what you don't get is the the most important requirement - a team

 

rh3000

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If Nick Holroyd was that good ETNZ would not have let him go.
I don't think they were that happy about it... 

It's a great example of how any notion that LR and ETNZ are somehow co-conspiring friends is so laughable.

They have a healthy respect for each other and expect a healthy and fierce competition - just like SANZAAR...

 

terrafirma

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I think it is disrespectful to even ask the question. 

The Luna Rosa team is second only to ETNZ for experience in contesting the America's Cup and they won the Louis Vuitton cup in 2,000 and are favourites to win the Prada cup this time around.  Bertelli has been in control through all the ups and downs and there is absolutely no reason to expect him to fail this time.

As for the US team they are rank amateurs alongside Luna Rosa, as a first time challenger they have history against them.

The UK team has a better chance having just completed the AC35 contest which exposed a lot of the weaknesses of a first time challenger but again no match for Luna Rosa competing with a full budget.
I disagree completely. How is it disrespectful to ask if a team can win the cup? If a team can't ask that question themselves Terry mark my words they'll never win it.  I am going to hold you to these comments with regards to them being favourites.! Jimmy Spithill will be good for them and their team but don't be surprised if the UK and USA teams are in front at the end of this?

 

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I think it is disrespectful to even ask the question. 

The Luna Rosa team is second only to ETNZ for experience in contesting the America's Cup and they won the Louis Vuitton cup in 2,000 and are favourites to win the Prada cup this time around.  Bertelli has been in control through all the ups and downs and there is absolutely no reason to expect him to fail this time.

As for the US team they are rank amateurs alongside Luna Rosa, as a first time challenger they have history against them.

 The UK team has a better chance having just completed the AC35 contest which exposed a lot of the weaknesses of a first time challenger but again no match for Luna Rosa competing with a full budget.
no it isn't

they didn't do shit last cup, which will prove to be the most relevant cup to date for this cycle

the only reason why they were somewhat competitive in 34 was because they spent money to buy ETNZ's design

i would not be surprised at all in Ienos has a bigger budget this time around

added to ienos is about half of team artemis, which will do wonders seeing as artemis had the second fastest boat last cup

bullshit the italians are favourites, unless they splash out and buy ETNZ's design again

look what artemis did on their second cycle. i predict that it will be much the same story, although they'll get into the cup match because their won't be any other strong challengers

and to answer the original post

NO

 

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