Canada bans 1,500 types of assault firearms YES!

[Pertinacious Tom]

You guys need laws barring idiots from buying guns. I'm not sure how you determine who is a real idiot and who is only pretending to be stupid.

Why bother? The enlightened approach seems to be to hold everyone responsible for the idiots and ban everyone's battlefield .22's.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Again, an under educated violent population with far too easy access to firearms, is killing Americans and America.  

If you don't or cant see that, your part of the problem.

This makes me wonder whether the confiscation of battlefield .22's and other WMD's has begun yet in the frozen north?

Canada's far too easy access to battlefield .22's seems to me to be a yuge problem! Can you not see that?

 

[jocal505]

This makes me wonder whether the confiscation of battlefield .22's and other WMD's has begun yet in the frozen north?

Canada's far too easy access to battlefield .22's seems to me to be a yuge problem! Can you not see that?

i opened the door that said tom ray and the room was empty 

 

[Rain Man]

This makes me wonder whether the confiscation of battlefield .22's and other WMD's has begun yet in the frozen north?

Canada's far too easy access to battlefield .22's seems to me to be a yuge problem! Can you not see that?

 

[Ishmael]

This is exactly why so many of us have Detumescent Tom on ignore.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

What is there was a country with fewer guns.... ah fuck, never mind.

Lost cause. Just stop that shit from coming over the border.

But what about confiscating the battlefield .22's and other weapons of war that are already in Canada? It has been over a year since this thread was started. Have the confiscations begun? Are you getting more than a few percent compliance? If so, people who run other confiscation programs are going to wonder how you achieved it?

 

[Zonker]

I was talking about a toddler killing somebody in the US.

There has been no confiscation program in Canada. Just a lot of weapons being banned. They're still talking about compensation but no word yet.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

There has been no confiscation program in Canada. Just a lot of weapons being banned. They're still talking about compensation but no word yet.

The need to take them seemed pretty urgent when the thread started. Have the mass shootings continued? I haven't heard of any. Maybe Canadian owners of battlefield .22's aren't all that dangerous?

Offering compensation is very civilized of you. Down here, the banned weapons are just declared a public nuisance and keeping them after the deadline can get you a felony. So more of a plain stick than a carrot-with-stick approach. That might bring compliance rates up to double digits when the grabbing begins.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Canadian gun owners caused a couple more shootings.

How much longer can the confiscation be delayed???

Oh you Canucks, Such a dangerous culture, and they even give you guns. 

Certainly,  your neighbors have to be afraid. 

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Canada, Six Months from “Confiscation Day”
 

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Now, a scant six months away from the amnesty deadline of April 30, 2022 – a blink of an eye given the speed of government operations – gun owners and firearm businesses are left to speculate about the operation of the confiscation and grandfathering options, compensation, and pretty much anything else related to the implementation of this gun ban.

Taxpayers, too, remain as much in the dark on how much this will cost as they were when Trudeau’s gun grab was announced, although a government report released in June offered a very broad estimated cost of anywhere between CAD$47 million to $756 million. Even so, the report’s authors were careful to add a “floor not ceiling” caveat that there are “too many outstanding questions on how this program will be implemented to currently develop a complete picture of the true potential cost of the program.” 

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If I asked for a project proposal and someone came back with "oh, somewhere between $47k and $756k, but that guess is a floor, not a ceiling" I'm not really sure how I'd react. I don't think I know enough sailorly curse words.

Canada does seem to have bipartisan unity on the wisdom of banning battlefield .22's.

“We will maintain the assault weapon ban and maintain the 2020 restrictions put in place – full stop,” O’Toole told reporters.

But there's no reason a court fight over the confiscation should delay the actual confiscation.
 

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“The court case should not delay the enactment of the mandatory buyback that has been promised by the Liberals, nor any other gun-control measure, for that matter,” Rathjen said in reaction to the court schedule.

“These are two independent processes,” she told iPolitics. “Since we are talking about public safety measures, court challenges by pro-gun interests are not a legitimate reason to delay their implementation.”

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There's no question that Canadian owners of battlefield .22's are a threat to public safety. Why else would they need to have their weapons taken?

 

[SloopJonB]

Getting back to the OP;

Canada gunshot death rate - 1.94 per 100,000 people

USA gunshot death rate - 12.21 per 100,000 people.

Now who did you say had the right idea?

 

[Rain Man]

Getting back to the OP;

Canada gunshot death rate - 1.94 per 100,000 people

USA gunshot death rate - 12.21 per 100,000 people.

Now who did you say had the right idea?

I can hear Tom flipping furiously through the pages of his NRA talking points guide from here...

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

I can hear Tom flipping furiously through the pages of his NRA talking points guide from here...

Nah, I replied in the thread about self-murders and I continue to fail to see the relevance of suicides to confiscating battlefield .22's.

 

[SloopJonB]

Only took him 7 hours to come up with whatever dogballs he posted there.

 

[Ishmael]

Only took him 7 hours to come up with whatever dogballs he posted there.

He will now revisit this thread every few months for the next ten years.

 

[spankoka]

Nah, I replied in the thread about self-murders and I continue to fail to see the relevance of suicides to confiscating battlefield .22's.

It is really unclear what, if any guns will be confiscated as "battlefield .22s". The law gets vague here because guns used in IPSC competition have an obvious "sporting use". Certainly for Canadians who wish to legally own restricted weapons, the ISPC is their best advocate. 

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

It is really unclear what, if any guns will be confiscated as "battlefield .22s". The law gets vague here because guns used in IPSC competition have an obvious "sporting use". Certainly for Canadians who wish to legally own restricted weapons, the ISPC is their best advocate. 

Heh. I don't think that's going to fly when it comes to the Feather AT mentioned upthread.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

Canadian gun owners caused some more violence
 

Toronto Police Service said that day at noon — in broad daylight — its officers carried out a search warrant on the property. It's unclear what information they had and how many officers were at the scene, but the service said it was looking for guns. Family said no warrant was left behind. 

Quentin Dixon, Rodger's longtime friend, said officers bearing assault rifles had Jessie at gunpoint while she was unloading groceries from the vehicle.

Some officers were wearing plain clothes while others wore tactical gear, according to family, friends, neighbours and Michael Smitiuch, the family's lawyer, all of whom CBC spoke with this week. 

They say Toronto police brought their own ambulance and paramedics with them when they first arrived, a move Toronto defence lawyer Kim Schofield, who has worked on numerous cases involving the SIU, said was "very unusual." 

Schofield said officers are also usually required to give the family a copy of the search warrant.

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"The group of police officers moved over to the shop door entrance and nothing was said ...  within seconds, four gunshots rang out," Dixon said.

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Bringing an ambulance and not leaving a warrant are both weird, I guess, but none of that would be necessary if the government would just recognize the danger posed by gun owners and finish banning and confiscating them.

 

[Pertinacious Tom]

If fewer and fewer US households own guns (only 35%), and the trend continues... Won't there be a point when the US population decides to change the gun laws due to popular demand? 

Well, you're going to spend between between CAD$47 million to $756 million (or maybe more) confiscating battlefield .22's and other weapons of war.

As I said, I think you might, if you're lucky, achieve double digit compliance rates. And I mean low double digits.

When that happens, it will indicate to me that gun owners did not, in fact, support the confiscation program.

 

[Zonker]

Which is a WAG right?