Pertinacious Tom
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That was supposed to be a serious question? You seriously buy the idea that wanting to own a battlefield .22 means wanting to murder kids?
Canada bans 1,500 types of assault firearms YES!
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Pertinacious Tom
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I think I gave @PeterSailor's suggestion a good shot of almost a year and a half, but so far putting "it" in my signature has led only to more name calling. I can't see the utility of it and am discontinuing the experiment.
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Black market must be hot !
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Airsault weapon
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Keith
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Mike in Seattle
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, just keeping a couple of things to the front .
"nobody wants to take your .22"
( they are lying)
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clowns who seems to worry so much about what other countries do with their gun law
I told you clowns I have something else for you.
I'll get to it soon
"nobody wants to take your .22"
( they are lying)
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clowns who seems to worry so much about what other countries do with their gun law
I told you clowns I have something else for you.
I'll get to it soon
Pertinacious Tom
Importunate Member
I wonder how many Canadians have been slaughtered using the 1,500 banned battlefield .22's and other weapons of mass destruction in the three years since the ban was announced?
My first guess would be zero because crimes using "assault" weapons are very rare here in the USA and probably more rare in Canada.
I also wonder when the ban will be expanded to include Ruger 10-22's? You can't just let normal people own that kind of firepower, can you? And yet I have not heard of their inclusion as yet. What is taking so long on that?
Pertinacious Tom
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I'm waiting with bated breath.
You should probably get to it soon because I'm going fishing later and it might become baited breath.
spankoka
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The mass shooting in Nova Scotia was done with an AR-15 type carbine illegally acquired in Maine at a gun show. The person who sold him the gun, was never charged.
Pertinacious Tom
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I knew about that one. I was asking about subsequent crimes, if any, involving the banned guns.
Also wondering whether Canada has experienced the terrible problems that the US has with one version of the Ruger 10-22? It's weird that the Canadian ban omits such a popular weapon of war.
spankoka
Super Anarchist
The Ruger 10-22 is legal in Canada-ten round magazines are still allowed in .22 LR-basically because it makes sense for plinking or rabbits. The Ruger Mini-14 has been illegal in Canada for a long time, because it was the weapon used in the Montreal Massacre. Trudeau created his own problem in the Senate, when he decided that Senators appointed by the Liberals would no longer be Liberals. His gun bill would have gone straight through if Liberal Senators were still Liberals.
In the end, it's kind of a circular argument. Assault rifles are bad because they are semi-automatic, but semi-automatic rifles will still be legal in Canada-albeit with wooden furniture and five round magazines. The latter is basically because they have a sporting purpose, as per the IPSC/ISSF.
In the end, it's kind of a circular argument. Assault rifles are bad because they are semi-automatic, but semi-automatic rifles will still be legal in Canada-albeit with wooden furniture and five round magazines. The latter is basically because they have a sporting purpose, as per the IPSC/ISSF.
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Assault rifles (military grade weapons capable of fully automatic fire) have been illegal to buy, sell or use for about 50 years. Licensed collectors were grandfathered and can continue to own them in a secure environment but they can't be transferred or inherited so most of the licensed owners are probably dead by now. These are not a problem.
The current uproar is over "assault style weapons" that are a subset of semi-automatic rifles that look more dangerous than others that have exactly the same functional capability.
What Canada needs is a bullshit free legislative package.
If magazine fed centre-fire semi-automatic rifles are too dangerous for the public to own then they should all be banned based on function:
What we have right now is bureaucrats going through catalogs and circling the ones that look scary. The reverse of what we used to do with the Christmas wish book.
I don't hunt or target shoot so it isn't a personal issue for me, I just think laws should be based on science and applied consistently. The current process is just political marketing.
The current uproar is over "assault style weapons" that are a subset of semi-automatic rifles that look more dangerous than others that have exactly the same functional capability.
What Canada needs is a bullshit free legislative package.
If magazine fed centre-fire semi-automatic rifles are too dangerous for the public to own then they should all be banned based on function:
- not just the ones with black or camo plastic stocks, ban the wood stock ones as well
- not just the ones white people like, ban the ones owned by other races
What we have right now is bureaucrats going through catalogs and circling the ones that look scary. The reverse of what we used to do with the Christmas wish book.
I don't hunt or target shoot so it isn't a personal issue for me, I just think laws should be based on science and applied consistently. The current process is just political marketing.
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Yep!
The toyish looking Mini14 can do everything that a AR15 can do and that is precisely the exact same thing!
Pertinacious Tom
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But how does that distinguish it from any of the other battlefield .22's that were included in the ban and that I discussed upthread?
Honestly, they all seem equally lethal to me. I hesitate to make that argument just because nutters did make it in Massachusetts and the response from Attorney General Healy was, "OK, all of those are banned too, and have been all these years you thought you owned them legally."
Pertinacious Tom
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When people pretend that any "assault" weapons ban will not include battlefield .22's, it makes them seem either ignorant or deceptive to me.
Are you aware of the modern politics of gun control? The mere suggestion that battlefield .22's were not lethal enough to justify banning got the whole forum censored when I did it.
I have backed off that argument and now recognize battlefield .22's for the military weapons they are, just as all the people who write gun bans do.
spankoka
Super Anarchist
The Ruger 10-22 was used in a horrific crime, therefore it was banned by make and model. It is what it is.
Pertinacious Tom
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If that happened, it's the first I'm hearing of it.
The closest thing to an explanation I could find of why one particular model of 10-22 is an "assault" weapon and all others (and there are many) are not is that an adjustable stock makes the gun more concealable. It's an explanation, just not one that makes any sense for two reasons:
The original wood furniture on her gun was less bulky, not more.
I'm a saw owner and can make wood furniture even less bulky without buying a big, bulky, adjustable stock.
When I explained this to a forum grabber, it was suggested that she should get rid of "assassin accessories." The takeaway for me is that regardless of facts and common sense, any gun ban will be defended and any one who questions it will be called a murderer.
spankoka
Super Anarchist
Oh, it turns out I am wrong. The Ruger 10-22 is still available in Canada. But yes; that would be the wooden stock model-not the plastic stock model used in the Montreal Massacre.
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