Car Carrying Ship on Fire

[Grande Mastere Dreade]

The dollar figure alone will be staggering, but the repercussions following this will be equally high.  Firefighting systems need to be re-thought to deal with these lithium-ion batteries.  The insurance side will also need a lot of re-vamping on the part of the insurers.

probably going to have to ship the batteries separate from the car

 

[Rain Man]

I still find it very odd that vehicle batteries are still just a large number of 18650's.

 

[Charlie Foxtrot]

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Forget it, it's Woody, he's rollin'. 

 

[floating dutchman]

probably going to have to ship the batteries separate from the car

That is a good idea, but not very practicable for the Ro-Pax market.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

.  Firefighting systems need to be re-thought to deal with these lithium-ion batteries. 

Had a nice convo with the rep from these guys about that. Involves vermiculite.

http://www.fireranger.com

 

[Ventucky Red]

 Firefighting systems need to be re-thought to deal with these lithium-ion batteries.  The insurance side will also need a lot of re-vamping on the part of the insurers.

There were a few planes falling out of the sky due to lithium-ion batteries with a bunch of new regs because of this.  One is that no lithium-ion batteries as cargo on passenger flights and I believe for freighters the batteries have to be <30% charged.

Seem to remember a 747 going down and batteries in the FDR overheating with the 787s - I'm sure there are a few others.

 

[Zonker]

I still find it very odd that vehicle batteries are still just a large number of 18650's

Basically Tesla Model S and Y. Not sure which others. Googling said it was just Tesla. 

Elon did recognize that 18650s were a commodity that were powering most laptops of the day and were thus cheaper on a W/$ basic. But most have changed to pouch cells now. Tesla 3 uses bigger cylinder batteries called a 21XXX something.

 

[weightless]

So, a few minutes with the google hinted that self heating in thermal runaway is lower at lower states of charge. There appear to be other factors as well but SOC is easily controllable. Do they ship the EVs with mostly discharged batteries? Should they?

 

[sledracr]

News says it has sunk, while under tow

Massive cargo ship carrying cars sinks in mid-Atlantic (msn.com)

 

[Jkdubz808]

I knew it would.  Only matter of time.

 

[Glenn McCarthy]

News says it has sunk, while under tow

Massive cargo ship carrying cars sinks in mid-Atlantic (msn.com)

Good news, the fire is out completely now!

 

[DA-WOODY]

Good news, the fire is out completely now!

lithium fire out ??

it will go out when it is expended

it is warming the ocean while burning and sending off a plume of whatever the fuck you get from burning all that

then the leaking process begins, might be awhile till tanks rust through or ??

lucky it made it out of the environment 1st

 

[Foreverslow]

Good news, the fire is out completely now!

have you ever heard the term "are you trying to boil the oceans?"  ;&lt

 

[Charlie Foxtrot]

News says it has sunk, while under tow

Massive cargo ship carrying cars sinks in mid-Atlantic (msn.com)

And Epstein didn't hang himself...

Mighty convenient. 

 

[DRIFTW00D]

With a No Cure No Pay contact not convenient at all for the salvage company… 

 

[Jkdubz808]

Last shots of the Felicity Ace before she sank.  That fire tore her ass up.  

 

[Cruisin Loser]

According to Ernie Boch, who should know, the last of the Lambo V12's were on board.

https://turnto10.com/news/local/boch-jrs-bentley-sinks-fears-a-blow-to-the-auto-industry?fbclid=IwAR00I52IvX5iwQxaAslkoDJC60NXkXnVI-wbY6EGVe-cn882DnezVsxEhM0

 

[IStream]

 

[sledracr]

With a No Cure No Pay contact not convenient at all for the salvage company… 

I wonder how they know exactly when to shift from "we have her under tow" to "cut the towline RIGHT FUCKING NOW"

 

[Bugsy]

I will point out that when using water to put out a fire on a ship, all the water has to be pumped out before the ship sinks.   That gets complicated if the fire results in a loss of electrical power.  I was trained as a marine engineer and was the Assistant Marine Systems Engineering Officer for a number of years onboard one of the big grey ships so I have some familiarity with this issue.  

I am curious if an abandoned ship could have automatic sprinklers activate but no associated pumping.   That would sink a ship.