Caribbean 600

[Kenny Dumas]

Bump.  How's the refit of Fujin coming along?  Such a cool boat should be sailing.

 

[ProaSailor]

Fujin is discussed at 10:26:

 

[Rasputin22]

That ain't exactly the bunny slopes...

 

[Russell Brown]

Here we go again and it looks like Fujin is in!

 

[Soma]

Here we go again and it looks like Fujin is in!

I can confirm Fujin is back and better than ever. We are racing in the Caribbean Multihull Challenge this week and the boat is sweet. We took first in elapsed today but 3rd on corrected. I'll be racing against Fujin in the C600, though. 

 

[EarthBM]

So looks like 2 Mod70, 2 Gunboats (not Elvis tho), 2 Multi50s, a foiling G4/F4, B53, and a TS42. 

Will be fun to watch B53 vs F4, weather cast seems pretty perfect.

what was B53’s weight at the CMC last week?

 

[mad]

So looks like 2 Mod70, 2 Gunboats (not Elvis tho), 2 Multi50s, a foiling G4/F4, B53, and a TS42. 

Will be fun to watch B53 vs F4, weather cast seems pretty perfect.

what was B53’s weight at the CMC last week?

Is Paradox, the Nigel Irens upgraded ORMA style tri coming back? 

That and the B&Q tri are great looking boats. 

 

[teamvmg]

Is Paradox, the Nigel Irens upgraded ORMA style tri coming back? 

That and the B&Q tri are great looking boats. 

Paradox is in San Fran ready for the Transpac

 

[ProaSailor]

Well, that didn't take long.  Races haven't even started yet and a multihull has flipped?

http://caribbean600.rorc.org/
https://www.facebook.com/Argo32Racing/

No official word yet.  I hope everyone is OK (nine or ten crew, including Brian Thompson).  Another black mark against multihulls and a sad, very old and very boring story, really.  Rich folk squandering a small piece of their fortunes on repairs after the fact instead of capsize prevention.

Two weeks ago:

MOD70 Argo takes line honors in 34th Pineapple Cup - Montego Bay Race
by Pineapple Cup 30 January 2019
https://www.sail-world.com/news/214207/Argo-smashes-course-record-in-Pineapple-Cup

P.S.  Confirmed:








 
https://maserati.soldini.it/argo-capsized-south-of-antigua-the-crew-is-safe/

 

[QBF]

The Ultim Boat Facebook page does not have any updates. However, in an earlier post they said that [SIZE=12pt]François Gabart is aboard Argo.[/SIZE]

 

[randii]

Another black mark against multihulls and a sad, very old and very boring story, really.

Raceboats crashing is about as surprising as racecars crashing.
Pushing the limits has a price, and in my opinion, the number of hulls has little to do with it, though I suspect the folks who have an axe to grind against multihulls (generally NOT multihull folks) will lean on this to argue their case.  That sucks, but there's no much that can be done to convince folks whose conclusions precede their investigations!

I hope everyone is OK, and repairs can be quickly facilitated.

 

[EarthBM]

Laying on the sterns, so I guess sideways, not a pitch pole. Soldini says there was light wind, they were running and then a puff. Says light winds and then 25-26kt squall.

Based on their location I am guessing they also just came out of the island wind shadow.

 

[MRS OCTOPUS]

Well, that didn't take long.  Races haven't even started yet and a multihull has flipped?

A sad day for all multihull owners.

For all the money thrown at multihulls in the last 25 years , without the EPIRB, multihull safety sadly doesn't appear to have progressed that far.

We really need to get this very selfish aspect of our sport sorted. Just because monohulls sink therefore we can do nothing is just Bullshit.

Before you flame away I am a lifetime multihull sailor.

 

[40Plus]

Well, that didn't take long.  Races haven't even started yet and a multihull has flipped?





http://caribbean600.rorc.org/
https://www.facebook.com/Argo32Racing/

No official word yet.  I hope everyone is OK (nine or ten crew, including Brian Thompson).  Another black mark against multihulls and a sad, very old and very boring story, really.  Rich folk squandering a small piece of their fortunes on repairs after the fact instead of capsize prevention.

Brian Thompson and Francois Gabart on-board. Not sure what you think owners should be doing exactly? Their money, their boat, pros on-board, they know the risks.  Perhaps you can get in touch With Thompson, Gabart and the owner and straighten them out?

 

[Morello]

If you are not on the edge you are taking up to much space!

 

[Soma]

A sad day for all multihull owners.

For all the money thrown at multihulls in the last 25 years , without the EPIRB, multihull safety sadly doesn't appear to have progressed that far.

We really need to get this very selfish aspect of our sport sorted. Just because monohulls sink therefore we can do nothing is just Bullshit.

Before you flame away I am a lifetime multihull sailor.

What are you even talking about? 

 

[ProaSailor]

A sad day for all multihull owners.

For all the money thrown at multihulls in the last 25 years , without the EPIRB, multihull safety sadly doesn't appear to have progressed that far.

We really need to get this very selfish aspect of our sport sorted. Just because monohulls sink therefore we can do nothing is just Bullshit.

Before you flame away I am a lifetime multihull sailor.

What are you even talking about? 

So you're fine with routinely flipping multi-million dollar multihulls because they're race boats?  It goes back much further than 25 years and comparing it to monohulls sinking doesn't excuse it at all because monohulls generally don't sink due to a knock down.  The issue has been discussed ad infinitum.   They can fly big boats on foils but a high tech solution to this very old problem is still impossible?  I don't accept that.  It just looks stupid.

 

[mad]

So you're fine with routinely flipping multi-million dollar multihulls because they're race boats?  It goes back much further than 25 years and comparing it to monohulls sinking doesn't excuse it at all because monohulls generally don't sink due to a knock down.  The issue has been discussed ad infinitum.   They can fly big boats on foils but a high tech solution to this very old problem is still impossible?  I don't accept that.  It just looks stupid.

And do you have a working platform of a similar waterline length multihull?

 

[ProaSailor]

Brian Thompson and Francois Gabart on-board. Not sure what you think owners should be doing exactly? Their money, their boat, pros on-board, they know the risks.  Perhaps you can get in touch With Thompson, Gabart and the owner and straighten them out?

I have enormous respect for Brian Thompson, he's a great guy and superb sailor.  About 20 years ago, I had Brian and the crew of ENZA at my house for dinner in Sausalito.  I'm not talking about the skill of the sailors at all.  Technical solutions for this problem have been discussed at length in the past and various implementations have been tried.  The one I like and haven't seen yet is a sudden slacking of the windward shroud, enough to quickly ease the mast to ~45 degrees of heel and allow the hull to drop back on its feet.  Whatever the solution, it can hardly be more complex than foiling, eh?  Fortunately, death or serious injury was cheated again in this case.

 

[Boink]

I have enormous respect for Brian Thompson, he's a great guy and superb sailor.  About 20 years ago, I had Brian and the crew of ENZA at my house for dinner in Sausalito.  I'm not talking about the skill of the sailors at all.  Technical solutions for this problem have been discussed at length in the past and various implementations have been tried.  The one I like and haven't seen yet is a sudden slacking of the windward shroud, enough to quickly ease the mast to ~45 degrees of heel and allow the hull to drop back on its feet.  Whatever the solution, it can hardly be more complex than foiling, eh?  Fortunately, death or serious injury was cheated again in this case.

Referring to the bit in bold......

There's a reason why you haven't seen it and I am guessing that your strong points don't include physics or engineering.

The forces and energy involved in flipping one of these boats, are not inconsequential, but you propose letting it loose, to let it fall back to windward.

Even if the structure could survive the shock (which I doubt), the crew couldn't; who are suddenly condemned to a free fall ride without any of the fun of the theme  park version.

Injury (or worse), would defintely be on the cards.