Cayard out at US Failing

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US Sailing is not a big organization. There's no need for someone in PC's position to have had experience running a large organization.

And again, USA's performances at the last few olympics speak for themselves. The financials speak for themselves too. The data says that Cayard did a great job raising money, and we all know that Doug, Bill, Larry et al will take his calls.

If Cayard was part of the problem, why did the people in the know all quit after he pulled the plug? Maybe because he wasn't the problem?

The real problem is Dick Jepsen.

 

[cbulger]

It seems time to move this thread to Political Anarchy.

The whole dust up is primarily a bunch of old white dudes yelling at each other.

Meanwhile - as folks like Tom Whidden have pointed out - there is no adult dinghy or high performance sailing pathway in the USA.

The USA does have some of the best sailing athletes in the World - folks like Ravi Parent, Daniela Moroz and Cam Farrah. They all found their own way to the top of the sport - far away from any established organizations. Wanna fix USS - fire everyone over 50 and put these 3 in charge.

 

[Svanen]

The whole dust up is primarily a bunch of old white dudes yelling at each other.

Racism, sexism and ageism, all wrapped up in one bigoted comment.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

Racism, sexism and ageism, all wrapped up in one bigoted comment.

Careful, you'll drop your pearls!

 

[cbulger]

Racism, sexism and ageism, all wrapped up in one bigoted comment.

It was a broad brush - and I'm happy to apologize personally to anyone who was hurt. But as an old white male fart who loves sailing myself, I am deeply saddened to see the folks who could be leading our sport descend into an ego-first public the civil war. And like it or not - its old white dudes.

Of course being old and white and male doesn't make you ego obsessed and allergic to innovation - the most innovative leader in sailing on the planet may be John Bertrand. But the track record at USS and then the current public scorched earth ego driven mud slinging festival - strongly indicates that we don't have the right leadership anywhere near the current organization.

When you need radical paradigm change - business research suggests that going young and diverse isn't a bad approach. Beyond the research - I spent a good part of my career assessing management teams to determine who deserved investment capital and who was fit to be a public company - leading he allocation of billion$ of capital. That experience also supports the conclusion.

Nontrivial problem of how we get from the current civil war - to an all new organization.

 

[surf nazi]

Careful, you'll drop your pearls!

so it's ok to claim the problem is due to a certain age group, racial group and biological group ? Mmmm. Just so long as it's that one group who is blamed for all of society's ills. Guess we just need to get rid of all those people and everything would be great.

 

[surf nazi]

It was a broad brush - and I'm happy to apologize personally to anyone who was hurt. organization.

Love this . Don't apologize for your comment , blame the people who find identity comments offensive.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

so it's ok to claim the problem is due to a certain age group, racial group and biological group ?

For as long they are the ones with the power

 

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As an aside, just perused US Sailing's website and the spelling and grammatical errors and basically everything else about the page is embarrassing.

 

[RobbieB]

Meanwhile - as folks like Tom Whidden have pointed out - there is no adult dinghy or high performance sailing pathway in the USA.

You need to check out the VXOne fleet.

The other issue might be is that dingy/hi performance sailing is hard on your body. The older you get the harder it is to stay in good enough physical condition to competitively get around the course in these types of boats. However, it can be done. It just takes dedication.

 

[ryley]

Love this . Don't apologize for your comment , blame the people who find identity comments offensive.

how would you describe Alan Ostfeld? How would you describe Paul Cayard?

How would you describe Rosa Parks?

 

[Irrational 14]

You need to check out the VXOne fleet.

The other issue might be is that dingy/hi performance sailing is hard on your body. The older you get the harder it is to stay in good enough physical condition to competitively get around the course in these types of boats. However, it can be done. It just takes dedication.

Also check the US International 14 Fleet. Largest fleet at the recent Sailing World Regatta Series in San Diego last weekend. Look it up.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

How would you describe Rosa Parks?

A woman who helped stand up for the rights of public transit riders, right?

 

[barleymalt]

A woman who helped stand up for the rights of public transit riders, right?

That's what we call our main trimmer, they are in the back of the bus.

 

[MR.CLEAN]

That's what we call our main trimmer, they are in the back of the bus.

Sewer rat used to be called Rodney King on a boat in cali i raced on

 

[cbulger]

You need to check out the VXOne fleet.

The other issue might be is that dingy/hi performance sailing is hard on your body. The older you get the harder it is to stay in good enough physical condition to competitively get around the course in these types of boats. However, it can be done. It just takes dedication.

Indeed - there are many types of sailing and I love them all. VXOne's are great and I'm glad to hear that they are succeeding - but they are more of a "sport boat" than a high-performance rig. Certainly they require some fitness - but they aren't Moths, A-Cats, 49ers.... etc. These are all boats that can't be even be sailed around the course sitting down - you have to be fit just stay upright. Tough on the body and only for the young or the foolish.

This thread, and my comments, are centered on USS and the Olympics. The Olympics are about athletic high-performance sailing - like the AC and SailGP.

 

[Wess]

The only good thing about USSailing was Paul Cayard. Everyone else - everyone - employed in the organization should resign or be pushed out by any and all mean possible. What an abortion.

 

[RobbieB]

Indeed - there are many types of sailing and I love them all. VXOne's are great and I'm glad to hear that they are succeeding - but they are more of a "sport boat" than a high-performance rig. Certainly they require some fitness - but they aren't Moths, A-Cats, 49ers.... etc. These are all boats that can't be even be sailed around the course sitting down - you have to be fit just stay upright. Tough on the body and only for the young or the foolish.

This thread, and my comments, are centered on USS and the Olympics. The Olympics are about athletic high-performance sailing - like the AC and SailGP.

Oh ok. Those platforms are also super expensive to get into. Agreed, fleets in the US, (outside of foiling kite boards) are slim at best. The 49'er, 29'er crowd has to travel abroad and basically live there to properly train with Olympic level competition. However, that aspect is not new. Paul Forester was having to do that with his 470 campaign back in 2000. The Finn and other platforms at the time were the same and have been since. It all goes back to the overall decline of competitive, (and recreational) sailing that has been trending in the US since the early 90's. Starting about 2 years ago our local level has seen a lot of productivity out of a few YC Jr programs that are pretty serious and offer great coaching programs. These programs are sending kids to Worlds events. So, there's a pipeline with some activity at least on an ILCA level. However, the parents have to have the income to support them. Out of all these kids there's one skipper who has put her feet into a 29'ers. But it's the only one in our region. Some of these kids have been on the US Sailing Development Team. Mybe USS could go a little deeper on supporting the development side of prospects? Provide gear and travel funds and other support to talented sailors trying to break into Olympic fleets that hardly exist in the US?

 

[solosailor]

Boardsports needs their own organization, not US Sailing. Sailing is done on a boat. Boardsports are done on top of boards, not boats.

 

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Boardsports needs their own organization, not US Sailing. Sailing is done on a boat. Boardsports are done on top of boards, not boats.

so because the vessel attached to the sail has less volume than some other vessels, an entire separate org is required? Why, exactly?