Chi-Mac Weather Predictions???

DC/Chicago

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DC,
I was asking for info as to the silence of why, how and where. I did not accuse anyone of cheating.

Saying that, You duth protest too much?

Read my post again. I was just quoting the posts that were made and asking someone to clear it up. Your lack of openess is what is pisses me off.

Telling me not come in "your back yard"? EMF!
Of course I was joking

But anyways ,what is EMF?

I hope it is something nice

DC

 

akaGP

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Thanks for the pic. Are we OK now Jim? ;)
I guess I'll never understand why it was a secret. It seems like the thing we all talk about in the bar after the race when I look like this: :blink:

I saw your owner lurking earlier..... :ph34r:

It was never a secret. I know we all were on a super high and we never even got a chance to talk it all over and check out our route , stuff like that. Kind of all thought we would debrief and enjoy going back over it before posting exactly what we did. You know I love talking about the races just as much and anybody out there.

I didn't even know Jon checked this out, until this morning. Pm me his ID so I know who to watch for ;)
I dont really know how to use this site well. I have made a few posts in the past. There seems to be excellent sailors on this site, some who do not disclose their identity, and some that do. The Asylum arrived back safe and sound yesterday at 4 am, and I am just recovering from a 20 hr trip from Pentwater and also the entire voyage up to Mac and Back. Our delivery team was starting to break down around the mid lake buoy on the way home, due to the wind and lump on the nose and the close quarters down below. I give full credit of our victory to Team The Asylum:

Drew Axelrod

Brad Bergman

Heidi Rocke

Rich Frye

Tom Spees

Part of our team who were not on the race also:

Mark Weglarz

Richard Burton

Mike Walsh

Chris Yelleck

Cheers

Wegs - Jon Weglarz

The Asylum
CONGRATULATIONS to Jon and the crew for a difficult job, well done.

They once again confirmed that J/105 Lake Michigan Fleet 5 ROCKS!

 

470boy

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Check out the track for "Challenge" in Group 7. Pretty gutsy move to head out into the lake all by thenselves.
It seems to be paying off "big time" now for them as they're the first in class to the 100 mile to go circle!

Pretty damn good for a 40+ year old S&S IOR design - that is admittedly sailed by a very talented group of one-design racers!
Thanks for the props. Wisco was kind to us. Shout out to Ray for putting together a great team for the last 10 years!

 

PhilRizzuto

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I thought the best plan was to take the Michigan shore?



Chicago Mac Race Weather

 

We are just now coming into the forecast window where I am comfortable with the general trends although the various models are still all over the board with velocities for Saturday/ Saturday night.

 

Here are my recommendations overall:

 

  • Visit Benton Harbor, Muskegon, Ludington on the way to MAC. (That's a hint, not a literal suggestion)


Look at the Race Tracker. See that furthermost boat to the east? We bought the side and paid dearly. No blow, very, very slow. ARRGH!

You are owed an apology. These weather guys rarely are heard from when they blow it.
 

DC/Chicago

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Thanks for the pic. Are we OK now Jim? ;)
I guess I'll never understand why it was a secret. It seems like the thing we all talk about in the bar after the race when I look like this: :blink:

I saw your owner lurking earlier..... :ph34r:

It was never a secret. I know we all were on a super high and we never even got a chance to talk it all over and check out our route , stuff like that. Kind of all thought we would debrief and enjoy going back over it before posting exactly what we did. You know I love talking about the races just as much and anybody out there.

I didn't even know Jon checked this out, until this morning. Pm me his ID so I know who to watch for ;)
I dont really know how to use this site well. I have made a few posts in the past. There seems to be excellent sailors on this site, some who do not disclose their identity, and some that do. The Asylum arrived back safe and sound yesterday at 4 am, and I am just recovering from a 20 hr trip from Pentwater and also the entire voyage up to Mac and Back. Our delivery team was starting to break down around the mid lake buoy on the way home, due to the wind and lump on the nose and the close quarters down below. I give full credit of our victory to Team The Asylum:

Drew Axelrod

Brad Bergman

Heidi Rocke

Rich Frye

Tom Spees

Part of our team who were not on the race also:

Mark Weglarz

Richard Burton

Mike Walsh

Chris Yelleck

Cheers

Wegs - Jon Weglarz

The Asylum

Great job Wegs

Now

Here is the SA velcome

Fuck off newb!!

or something like that

 

Wegs

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Congrats to The Asylum for winning the Mac. Great showing. I too wish I knew which way you guys went. I had the pleasure of racing with Caress at the end of the 07 season. Great people and a much deserved win for a dedicated crew.
I ran into Mr. Wiggles on the porch of the Iriquois just before the awards. Our crew was there having dinner to celebrate our section win. The whole crew was there accept for Rich. I said a job well done to them and also said, " Wow this will really boost Rich's already hyper inflated ego". I guess that was one prediction that has come true in less than a week.

Rich, I understand where you are coming from. I am sure Wiggles will issue an official press release when comes down from the high....if that ever happens.

Congrats again.

Hippie: Good seeing you at the Iroquois!! I am still slowly recovering. I finally had a chance to sit back and write down the details of our voyage. I submitted this to CYC today. Sorry it took so long, but I was very, very tired. My program always involves me doing the delivery back - and I was not really able to focus on all of the details which I needed to communicate. Hang me on the SA noose if you want. I was more focused on dodging the fishermen off of Manistee in the fog. There was a fishing contest there for 400 fishermen - and we nearly collided with one. My understanding that the top fisherman was to recieve $10,000 - and they were very feisty with no radar. Maybe they will print it up on the CYC website - take a look later. And also - our entire team including Rich Frye sailed a great race! Cheers Jon Weglarz

Hippie
 

dyslexic dog

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Congrats to The Asylum for winning the Mac. Great showing. I too wish I knew which way you guys went. I had the pleasure of racing with Caress at the end of the 07 season. Great people and a much deserved win for a dedicated crew.
I ran into Mr. Wiggles on the porch of the Iriquois just before the awards. Our crew was there having dinner to celebrate our section win. The whole crew was there accept for Rich. I said a job well done to them and also said, " Wow this will really boost Rich's already hyper inflated ego". I guess that was one prediction that has come true in less than a week.

Rich, I understand where you are coming from. I am sure Wiggles will issue an official press release when comes down from the high....if that ever happens.

Congrats again.

Hippie: Good seeing you at the Iroquois!! I am still slowly recovering. I finally had a chance to sit back and write down the details of our voyage. I submitted this to CYC today. Sorry it took so long, but I was very, very tired. My program always involves me doing the delivery back - and I was not really able to focus on all of the details which I needed to communicate. Hang me on the SA noose if you want. I was more focused on dodging the fishermen off of Manistee in the fog. There was a fishing contest there for 400 fishermen - and we nearly collided with one. My understanding that the top fisherman was to recieve $10,000 - and they were very feisty with no radar. Maybe they will print it up on the CYC website - take a look later. And also - our entire team including Rich Frye sailed a great race! Cheers Jon Weglarz

Hippie
Congrats Jon

 

Rich Frye

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Jon wanted me to pass along that this was submitted to CYC first (very recently) and now here.

PRESS RELEASE

The Asylum USA #673, Overall Winner, 2009 Chicago-Mackinac Race

July 28, 2009: Chicago, Illinois

The Asylum arrived back from Mackinac Island on Sunday at 4:00 a.m. after a 20-hour delivery from Pentwater. The delivery was lumpy, with winds on the nose. The Asylum is now shackled down, in safe harbor. Our team The Asylum, journey to and back from Mackinac Island is now complete and what an incredible feeling it is!

The few weeks prior to his year’s race were very difficult, preparing the boat for the race, running a business and satisfying family needs –really took its toll on me. However, on Race Day our team of Drew Axelrod, Brad Bergman, Rick Frye, Heidi Rocke, Tom Spees and myself were “ready to go”. Prior to my disclosing our strategy, I must first commend each of our Team The Asylum. I give full credit of our victory to the following of Team Asylum :

Drew Axelrod – 18th Mackinac race. Helmsman, main trimmer and his father, David Axelrod won First in Fleet in 1959.

Brad Bergman - Two time trans Atlantic Ocean crosser, trimmer, helmsman, 10th Mackinac race, navigator, outstanding sailor!

Rich Frye – 15th Mackinac race. Helmsman, start caller, boat-to-boat tactics, main trimmer, outstanding sailor!

Heidi Rocke – 14th Mackinac race, 24 year member of The Asylum, helmswoman, trimmer , pit and she takes care of each o f our team with food provisions and food distribution, personalized for the food tastes of each Team member.

Tom Spees – 18th Mackinac race. Trimmer and food provisioner, helmsman, spiritual leader of our Team in bad times and good times.

Jon Weglarz (me) – 26 year member of The Asylum, 28th Mackinac race

Part of our Team, who were not on the race, must also be acknowledged.

Mark Weglarz – Part of Team Caress 2004 Mac Race around the Manitous; great brother, great retired sailor.

Richard Burton –Part of Team Caress 2004 around the Manitous; great friend, whom I will be racing with this October, in France.

Mike Walsh – great foredecker, childhood friend up to my 10th birthday and reunited thru sailing, unavailable to attend due to work.

Chris Yelleck – land logistics, delivery assistance back to Chicago.

Without the commitments of all the aforementioned Team The Asylum, we would not have won the race.

RACE STRATEGY

Gradient NW winds were predicted for race day. Low pressure was situated in the Eastern states, bringing in a weakening NW flow, straight from Hudson Bay. Weather was very cool. Water temperatures were also cool, creating dense conditions at lake level. High pressure was scheduled to arrive Sunday, bringing no gradient wind. Being on the shoreline and obtaining thermal breeze was the best chance for wind on Sunday during the day. Forecasted for Sunday evening was gradient S to SW flow on the backside of high pressure.

Our initial strategy was to take the predicted NW gradient to Grand Haven area for the Sunday daytime thermal breeze. However, an interesting occurrence happened at the start of the race. A SE breeze formed. This was a lake breeze. This indicated to our Team that the NW gradient had dissolved. The only option to reach land for the Sunday thermals was to head up the Wisconsin shoreline. We hoisted our spinnaker and started heading north – low of course, but fast. Toward evening the sea breeze dissolved and NW to NE wind filled. I was thrilled to see a NE wind, which meant the NW gradient had further dissolved and high pressure was taking control earlier than forecasted... We utilized the NE gradient to take us approximately 8 miles off Milwaukee, on starboard tack. The center of the high was approaching and we needed to be within 8 miles of shore when it settled in.

We tacked up the shoreline in NE/N/NW winds and reached 6 miles off Sheboygan at 8 a.m. Sunday. Clear sunshine was to our NW and thermal clouds quickly filled over the entire shoreline. Flash Gordon and Zoom were about 3 to 4 miles further out to the lake and were behind us. We got the wind first – the thermal lake breeze. Instead of taking it to course, we hoisted the spinnaker and rode the land contour within 7 miles of shore. Our plan was to ride this north until the backside of the high pressure arrived, bringing in a SW gradient.

We did not carry a transponder but in reviewing Zoom’s race tracker, our course closely resembled Zoom’s after Sheboygan. Prior to Sheboygan our course was further left and when NW winds were present at night, they resulted in accelerated shore breeze gradient NW flow, which gave us greater wind near the shoreline. I assume this is how we got ahead of Zoom and Flash Gordon. We started peeling off around Manitowoc with a wind which started clocking. The gradient wind had arrived. Our course was similar to Zooms, however as the wind went south, we gybed back to within 8 miles of Two Rivers. Our Team was thinking the gradient would not be strong enough to penetrate the 55 degree lake. After testing Two Rivers, we gybed back to a course of 30-degrees, which took us just left of Beaver Island. Then the “shift of the race” hit us (and I assume Zoom) a shift to the SW. This shift gave us a course directly to the south of Fox Island. I had experienced this gap before, with my brother and Richard Burton, Heidi Rocke , Brad Bergman and Tom Spees. The wind held for the next 10 hours. We arrived the backside of the Manitou Islands at daybreak – it was a beautiful sight. We were coming in – hidden behind the Manitous – in the rising sun.

I would like to thank Greg Miarecki and his tremendous Race Committee team for a job well done.

I would like to thank the families of our Team for putting up with us – Mrs. Spees, the Frye family, Chris Jenson and Eli Rocke, the Bergman family and the late David Axelrod. I would like to thank my friend, John Mykleby, who got me into racing, Clem Boltz, my mentor and former overall Mac winner, my dad Jack, my mom. Cynthia, the best parents in the world, and my wife, Lisa, and son, Blake, for supporting me. This was the “Race of Our Lifetime”.

Cheers,

Jon Weglarz, Skipper

The Asylum

USA #673

 

landlocked1

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Bump to the front page, as this narrative is too good to miss. It shows the conviction, knowledge and team building it takes to be successful.

 

akaGP

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Drew Axelrod – 18th Mackinac race. Helmsman, main trimmer and his father, David Axelrod won First in Fleet in 1959.
I remember Dr. Axelrod and his penchant for using his wives' names and marital status to name his boats; BARB, XBARB, MICHELLE.

 
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tmod123

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Jon wanted me to pass along that this was submitted to CYC first (very recently) and now here.



Jon,

You are not only a great sailor, you are a class act!

PRESS RELEASE

The Asylum USA #673, Overall Winner, 2009 Chicago-Mackinac Race

July 28, 2009: Chicago, Illinois

The Asylum arrived back from Mackinac Island on Sunday at 4:00 a.m. after a 20-hour delivery from Pentwater. The delivery was lumpy, with winds on the nose. The Asylum is now shackled down, in safe harbor. Our team The Asylum, journey to and back from Mackinac Island is now complete and what an incredible feeling it is!

The few weeks prior to his year’s race were very difficult, preparing the boat for the race, running a business and satisfying family needs –really took its toll on me. However, on Race Day our team of Drew Axelrod, Brad Bergman, Rick Frye, Heidi Rocke, Tom Spees and myself were “ready to go”. Prior to my disclosing our strategy, I must first commend each of our Team The Asylum. I give full credit of our victory to the following of Team Asylum :

Drew Axelrod – 18th Mackinac race. Helmsman, main trimmer and his father, David Axelrod won First in Fleet in 1959.

Brad Bergman - Two time trans Atlantic Ocean crosser, trimmer, helmsman, 10th Mackinac race, navigator, outstanding sailor!

Rich Frye – 15th Mackinac race. Helmsman, start caller, boat-to-boat tactics, main trimmer, outstanding sailor!

Heidi Rocke – 14th Mackinac race, 24 year member of The Asylum, helmswoman, trimmer , pit and she takes care of each o f our team with food provisions and food distribution, personalized for the food tastes of each Team member.

Tom Spees – 18th Mackinac race. Trimmer and food provisioner, helmsman, spiritual leader of our Team in bad times and good times.

Jon Weglarz (me) – 26 year member of The Asylum, 28th Mackinac race

Part of our Team, who were not on the race, must also be acknowledged.

Mark Weglarz – Part of Team Caress 2004 Mac Race around the Manitous; great brother, great retired sailor.

Richard Burton –Part of Team Caress 2004 around the Manitous; great friend, whom I will be racing with this October, in France.

Mike Walsh – great foredecker, childhood friend up to my 10th birthday and reunited thru sailing, unavailable to attend due to work.

Chris Yelleck – land logistics, delivery assistance back to Chicago.

Without the commitments of all the aforementioned Team The Asylum, we would not have won the race.

RACE STRATEGY

Gradient NW winds were predicted for race day. Low pressure was situated in the Eastern states, bringing in a weakening NW flow, straight from Hudson Bay. Weather was very cool. Water temperatures were also cool, creating dense conditions at lake level. High pressure was scheduled to arrive Sunday, bringing no gradient wind. Being on the shoreline and obtaining thermal breeze was the best chance for wind on Sunday during the day. Forecasted for Sunday evening was gradient S to SW flow on the backside of high pressure.

Our initial strategy was to take the predicted NW gradient to Grand Haven area for the Sunday daytime thermal breeze. However, an interesting occurrence happened at the start of the race. A SE breeze formed. This was a lake breeze. This indicated to our Team that the NW gradient had dissolved. The only option to reach land for the Sunday thermals was to head up the Wisconsin shoreline. We hoisted our spinnaker and started heading north – low of course, but fast. Toward evening the sea breeze dissolved and NW to NE wind filled. I was thrilled to see a NE wind, which meant the NW gradient had further dissolved and high pressure was taking control earlier than forecasted... We utilized the NE gradient to take us approximately 8 miles off Milwaukee, on starboard tack. The center of the high was approaching and we needed to be within 8 miles of shore when it settled in.

We tacked up the shoreline in NE/N/NW winds and reached 6 miles off Sheboygan at 8 a.m. Sunday. Clear sunshine was to our NW and thermal clouds quickly filled over the entire shoreline. Flash Gordon and Zoom were about 3 to 4 miles further out to the lake and were behind us. We got the wind first – the thermal lake breeze. Instead of taking it to course, we hoisted the spinnaker and rode the land contour within 7 miles of shore. Our plan was to ride this north until the backside of the high pressure arrived, bringing in a SW gradient.

We did not carry a transponder but in reviewing Zoom’s race tracker, our course closely resembled Zoom’s after Sheboygan. Prior to Sheboygan our course was further left and when NW winds were present at night, they resulted in accelerated shore breeze gradient NW flow, which gave us greater wind near the shoreline. I assume this is how we got ahead of Zoom and Flash Gordon. We started peeling off around Manitowoc with a wind which started clocking. The gradient wind had arrived. Our course was similar to Zooms, however as the wind went south, we gybed back to within 8 miles of Two Rivers. Our Team was thinking the gradient would not be strong enough to penetrate the 55 degree lake. After testing Two Rivers, we gybed back to a course of 30-degrees, which took us just left of Beaver Island. Then the “shift of the race” hit us (and I assume Zoom) a shift to the SW. This shift gave us a course directly to the south of Fox Island. I had experienced this gap before, with my brother and Richard Burton, Heidi Rocke , Brad Bergman and Tom Spees. The wind held for the next 10 hours. We arrived the backside of the Manitou Islands at daybreak – it was a beautiful sight. We were coming in – hidden behind the Manitous – in the rising sun.

I would like to thank Greg Miarecki and his tremendous Race Committee team for a job well done.

I would like to thank the families of our Team for putting up with us – Mrs. Spees, the Frye family, Chris Jenson and Eli Rocke, the Bergman family and the late David Axelrod. I would like to thank my friend, John Mykleby, who got me into racing, Clem Boltz, my mentor and former overall Mac winner, my dad Jack, my mom. Cynthia, the best parents in the world, and my wife, Lisa, and son, Blake, for supporting me. This was the “Race of Our Lifetime”.

Cheers,

Jon Weglarz, Skipper

The Asylum

USA #673
 


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